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In guilty plea, American political consultant agreed he steered an illegal foreign donation to Trum

NeverTrumpGOP said:
Yeah we know the large majority of the country does not matter to you.

Not even sure if the country itself matters to you.
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You're supporting massive corruption. Obviously, you hate The United States. You can't wait for her to become the USSA.
 
trouble13 said:
If I was speeding because I was on my way to the hospital for a medical emergency do you think I would get a ticket or an escort?

Have you ever Jay walked in front of a cop? How many tickets have you gotten for it?

Your taking a rigid stand on this because you believe pressuring people around trump to try to get him is acceptable. I'm not a fan of that practice against anyone but I respect other people feel differently. Imo those people are making a big mistake. I believe in letting 9 guilty go to protect 1 innocent from being jailed.

Imo we have too many laws that are way too ambiguous written. This country is in dire need of legislative reform.

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What your deflection ignores is that every investigation is tasked with looking into a specific crimes or set of crimes. An investigator isn't tasked with solving all crime. If you're confused about this I can post the SC's mandate again for you.

What your deflection also ignores is that how this investigation is being conducted is also largely based on how crime bosses are taken down. So if you have a problem with how this investigation is being done, then you must by necessity also have a problem with the conviction of John Gotti.
 
trouble13 said:
I wanna be careful about how I choose my words.
I profoundly disagree with you ideologically but I don't consider you imbecilic. Take what I'm about to say in that bane.
Your perception that organized crime and our government does not share similar traits is nucking futs. Organized crime, religion, and government is the holy trinity of evil. They all worship the ame bible. Kinda, sorta like how 3 of the world's largest religions are all abrahamic, Christians, jews, Muslims, and they all fight each other but worship the same bible.

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Yeah, my child misbehaved once and I punished them! Just like the Mob!
Oh trouble13.
 
trouble13 said:
It's more evidence of the deep state using its heavy hammer on ants to protect from being exposed. These attacks serve as a warning to the others

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This is how federal prosecutors work.

There's nothing unusual about it except its the president and we all get to SEE how they work.

They don't give anything away for free.
 
Mach said:
Yeah, my child misbehaved once and I punished them! Just like the Mob!
Oh trouble13.
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That's your best argument?
It was disappointing

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What if...? said:
This is how federal prosecutors work.

There's nothing unusual about it except its the president and we all get to SEE how they work.

They don't give anything away for free.
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This is something you approve of?

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trouble13 said:
Probably or they should apply the law with the same amount of rigidity to all.

It looks as if prosecution all discretion is being abused.

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THere are thousands of people each day that speed, yet I got a speeding ticket 3 years ago. Using your logic I shouldn’t have gotten a speeding ticket. You’re comments are simply ridiculous because your boy is going down.
 
CHuDWah said:
Reminds me of my Dad telling about a time he got a ticket. He said everyone else was speeding. The cop said, "Yeah, well, YOU are the one I caught!" :lamo
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Best one I heard was a friend being pulled over for speeding after a weekend of fishing. He asked the officer if he was going to give tickets to all the other speeders out there. The officer smiled and said, "When you go fishing do you catch all the fish?"
 
Lots of 45 people sleeping uneasy tonight.
 
Mach said:
It's just Trump's election campaign, nothing to see here folks.
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where does it say that? no where.
again caught making stuff up.why?
 
Linc said:
Just everyone around Trump doing good something illegal.

Sounds like he’s ‘King **** on Turd 💩 Island 🌴 ‘.
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It isn't even someone around trump.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Flush the constitution down the drain. As long as Swampy gets his $$$$ it's all good!!!!!!!!! And no. I do not care that it is a Ukrainian, and neither should you.



In guilty plea, American political consultant agreed he steered an illegal foreign donation to Trump’s inauguration

Ask yourself this. Why are these people pleading guilty to such low level crimes and getting plea deals???
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And the Deep State released this information before the election so Hillary would win. Oh wait...
 
Mach said:
It's just Trump's election campaign, nothing to see here folks.
ludin said:
where does it say that? no where.
again caught making stuff up.why?
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Just read between the lines.

The guy who pleaded guilty to funneling money to Trump's inaugural committee is W. Samuel Patten who worked for Cambridge Analytica’s parent company, SCL Group, on voter targeting in the 2014 midterm election cycle, according to the Daily Beast, which said he described his work as developing “microtargeting” technologies “adopted by at least one major U.S. presidential candidate.”
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The Trump campaign hired Cambridge Analytica in August 2016 to assist with its online targeting. The company was affiliated at the time with Trump strategist Stephen K. Bannon.

No link there, huh?
 
Praxas said:
THere are thousands of people each day that speed, yet I got a speeding ticket 3 years ago. Using your logic I shouldn’t have gotten a speeding ticket. You’re comments are simply ridiculous because your boy is going down.
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There's a difference between prosecution and persecution

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Parrish said:
Lots of 45 people sleeping uneasy tonight.
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We're too busy laughing at the anti-Trumpers.

It isn't illegal for foreigners to donate to a presidential inauguration. :lamo
 
trouble13 said:
I have no objection to that. It should be. I also believe that there is enough cause to look at the possibility that he is being railroaded. Do you object to exploring both possibilities.

I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm a seeker of the truth. If trump is guilty of something I will be with those that want him prosecuted, and if the deep state (lack of a better term) is guilty of breaking the rules I will be with those that want them prosecuted too. Ultimately I hope this is all a big miss understanding and none of it is what it looks like to me.

At some point everyone is going to need to lay all the cards on the table. Both sides are impatient, I am not. I'm persistent. When everything is in I will make a final judgement.

People are entitled to know if they got duped by a mancherian candidate or if they live under the rule of King Louie and marie antoinette (two class rule).

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It is being investigated.

“I have no objection to that. It should be. I also believe that there is enough cause to look at the possibility that he is being railroaded."

Exactly what is that “cause” and do you believe such should be used as a standard going forward to determine the possibilities of “being railroaded” also being investigated?


“I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm a seeker of the truth.”

If you are a seeker of the truth, that is your desired outcome. So, you would then “have a dog in this fight.”

“If trump is guilty of something I will be with those that want him prosecuted, and if the deep state (lack of a better term) is guilty of breaking the rules I will be with those that want them prosecuted too.”

We already know who a number of the people that are up for possible prosecution and could be found guilty, like Trump and Jr. and others. But who, by name, is a member of the “deep state”? You can’t prosecute a label. You’ve got to have a person.

I infer from your saying “guilty of something” to “want him prosecuted” you mean if there is sufficient evidence of breaking the law, then that person should be prosecuted. Yet, on the other hand, people identified as “deep state” where there is evidence of have broken a rule (not a law) that they should be prosecuted just as well. Deep state people are, by definition, “typically influential members of government agencies or the military, believed to be involved in the secret manipulation or control of government policy.” That is classical collusion and could very likely be breaking the rules, but not conspiracy to break the law. Yet you think they should be prosecuted anyway.

“Ultimately I hope this is all a big miss understanding and none of it is what it looks like to me.”

Based on findings of guilt, admissions of guilt, plea bargaining and “flipping”, it has been what it looks like to me.


“At some point everyone is going to need to lay all the cards on the table. Both sides are impatient, I am not. I'm persistent. When everything is in I will make a final judgement.”

Mueller will be, naturally, the first to lay all his remaining cards on the table. I don’t get at all the Mueller’s side is “impatient.”


“People are entitled to know if they got duped by a mancherian candidate or if they live under the rule of King Louie and marie antoinette (two class rule).”

If by “mancherian candidate” you mean Trump I don’t agree. The Manchurian candidate was well-hidden. It will be more like the people being duped as was the notoriously naïve and just plain dumb Little Red Riding Hood by the Big Bad Wolf wearing grandma’s nightclothes. Or the minions of the realm duped by the naked Emperor into believing in his new clothes, who himself believed himself so grand.
 
bluesmoke said:
It is being investigated.

“I have no objection to that. It should be. I also believe that there is enough cause to look at the possibility that he is being railroaded."

Exactly what is that “cause” and do you believe such should be used as a standard going forward to determine the possibilities of “being railroaded” also being investigated?


“I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm a seeker of the truth.”

If you are a seeker of the truth, that is your desired outcome. So, you would then “have a dog in this fight.”

“If trump is guilty of something I will be with those that want him prosecuted, and if the deep state (lack of a better term) is guilty of breaking the rules I will be with those that want them prosecuted too.”

We already know who a number of the people that are up for possible prosecution and could be found guilty, like Trump and Jr. and others. But who, by name, is a member of the “deep state”? You can’t prosecute a label. You’ve got to have a person.

I infer from your saying “guilty of something” to “want him prosecuted” you mean if there is sufficient evidence of breaking the law, then that person should be prosecuted. Yet, on the other hand, people identified as “deep state” where there is evidence of have broken a rule (not a law) that they should be prosecuted just as well. Deep state people are, by definition, “typically influential members of government agencies or the military, believed to be involved in the secret manipulation or control of government policy.” That is classical collusion and could very likely be breaking the rules, but not conspiracy to break the law. Yet you think they should be prosecuted anyway.

“Ultimately I hope this is all a big miss understanding and none of it is what it looks like to me.”

Based on findings of guilt, admissions of guilt, plea bargaining and “flipping”, it has been what it looks like to me.


“At some point everyone is going to need to lay all the cards on the table. Both sides are impatient, I am not. I'm persistent. When everything is in I will make a final judgement.”

Mueller will be, naturally, the first to lay all his remaining cards on the table. I don’t get at all the Mueller’s side is “impatient.”


“People are entitled to know if they got duped by a mancherian candidate or if they live under the rule of King Louie and marie antoinette (two class rule).”

If by “mancherian candidate” you mean Trump I don’t agree. The Manchurian candidate was well-hidden. It will be more like the people being duped as was the notoriously naïve and just plain dumb Little Red Riding Hood by the Big Bad Wolf wearing grandma’s nightclothes. Or the minions of the realm duped by the naked Emperor into believing in his new clothes, who himself believed himself so grand.
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If your looking for names you can start with the names of the people who have been fired or demoted from the fbi and the doj.



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trouble13 said:
It's more evidence of the deep state using its heavy hammer on ants to protect from being exposed. These attacks serve as a warning to the others

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The notion of the "deep state" is of political design. Like "fake news" it is merely a way to dismiss the legitimate criticism of Trump's Administration. Loyalist use both "fake news" and the "deep state" whenever the situation is uncomfortable. This helps them to continue to practice their blind loyalty as if they are members of a crusade against tyranny while they accuse the rest of the world as the incompetent. Democracies have crumbled throughout the twentieth century because of this sort of irresponsible behavior between would-be autocrats and their loyalists.

Its [FOX] popular prime time hosts, particularly Sean Hannity, started to echo Mr. Trump’s debunked theories of a “deep state” undermining his administration. They joined the president in steadily attacking the Justice Department, the F.B.I. and other democratic institutions, Mr. Peters said.

COOPER: Do you think, you know, some of the hosts who -- in prime time, do you think they believe the stuff they are saying about the deep state, what they are saying about the Department of Justice, about the FBI?

PETERS: I suspect Hannity really believes it. The others are smarter. They know what they’re doing.
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So, do the smarter ones know what they are doing because they understand that their viewers are easily susceptible to manipulation?
 
Atomic Kid said:
Oh yes it is.
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I'm not so sure about that. Do you have a link to the specific law that says that?

PS - I think that he was convicted because he was an UNREGISTERED agent for a foreign entity and not just because he arranged for the gift.
 
MSgt said:
The notion of the "deep state" is of political design. Like "fake news" it is merely a way to dismiss the legitimate criticism of Trump's Administration. Loyalist use both "fake news" and the "deep state" whenever the situation is uncomfortable. This helps them to continue to practice their blind loyalty as if they are members of a crusade against tyranny while they accuse the rest of the world as the incompetent. Democracies have crumbled throughout the twentieth century because of this sort of irresponsible behavior between would-be autocrats and their loyalists.



So, do the smarter ones know what they are doing because they understand that their viewers are easily susceptible to manipulation?
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If they have nothing to hide, release the documents to congress

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MSgt said:
The notion of the "deep state" is of political design. Like "fake news" it is merely a way to dismiss the legitimate criticism of Trump's Administration. Loyalist use both "fake news" and the "deep state" whenever the situation is uncomfortable. This helps them to continue to practice their blind loyalty as if they are members of a crusade against tyranny while they accuse the rest of the world as the incompetent. Democracies have crumbled throughout the twentieth century because of this sort of irresponsible behavior between would-be autocrats and their loyalists.



So, do the smarter ones know what they are doing because they understand that their viewers are easily susceptible to manipulation?
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The country has watched the FBI treat one presidential campaign with kid gloves, the other with informants, warrants and eavesdropping. They’ve seen the Justice Department resist all efforts at accountability, even as it fails to hold its own accountable. And don’t get them started on the one-sided media.

And they are now witnessing unequal treatment in special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe. Yes, the former FBI director deserves credit for smoking out the Russian trolls who interfered in 2016. And one can argue he is obliged to pursue any evidence of criminal acts, even those unrelated to Russia. But what cannot be justified is the one-sided nature of his probe.
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https://outline.com/cSBkN8

Decent article worth the read if your honestly interested in understanding people's concerns

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trouble13 said:
If your looking for names you can start with the names of the people who have been fired or demoted from the fbi and the doj.



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“If your looking for names you can start with the names of the people who have been fired or demoted from the fbi and the doj.”

So, having the personnel files of everyone fired or demoted I suppose would provide evidence, if any, of those who broke any rule and thus be prosecuted for having broken a rule? Really? I don’t believe you thought this one through. Or, do you believe laws should be made to fit what you conjure?

Having not responded to what else I posed to you, I guess you cannot identify any “cause” to "look at the possibility that he is being railroaded." and that you do “have a dog in this fight.”
 
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