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White House flag flies at full staff as nation honors John McCain

Fletch said:
NOtice that McCain didnt take the 'high road' either as his insistence that Trump not be at his funeral was 'just some posthumous snub at Trump, nothing more.' The two men clearly didnt like each other and Trump did the minimum he was required to do and nothing more. So what?
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Meh, I expect better behavior out of the President, that's all. Low-class President isn't necessarily what I'm looking for.
 
Hedgology said:
What? No, I think being a leader just means being in charge of a group...
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The group being the United States of America...

Which has a couple more people in it than his cult.
 
Fletch said:
NOtice that McCain didnt take the 'high road' either as his insistence that Trump not be at his funeral was 'just some posthumous snub at Trump, nothing more.' The two men clearly didnt like each other and Trump did the minimum he was required to do and nothing more. So what?
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If McCain were an ardent Trump supporter, I wonder if everyone would be so concerned about displaying all this respect.
 
X Factor said:
So do you disagree with those who are claiming Trump did this intentionally?
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Of course I do. Look at my first post. I said this was just a mistake. Actually, the mistake was me posting the thread. According to Eisenhower's 1954 proclamation, which I have posted in this thread, flag is to be at half staff for a sitting Senator for a day plus the following day. This is what Trump did. Do I screw up sometimes? Yup, I certainly do. LOL.
 
danarhea said:
Of course I do. Look at my first post. I said this was just a mistake. Actually, the mistake was me posting the thread. According to Eisenhower's 1954 proclamation, which I have posted in this thread, flag is to be at half staff for a sitting Senator for a day plus the following day. This is what Trump did. Do I screw up sometimes? Yup, I certainly do. LOL.
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And it takes a good man to admit that . ;)
 
danarhea said:
Of course I do. Look at my first post. I said this was just a mistake. Actually, the mistake was me posting the thread. According to Eisenhower's 1954 proclamation, which I have posted in this thread, flag is to be at half staff for a sitting Senator for a day plus the following day. This is what Trump did. Do I screw up sometimes? Yup, I certainly do. LOL.
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Yeah, you were just aghast at Trump’s huge mistake. :lamo
 
danarhea said:
LMAO!!

But guess what? I found a copy of the actual proclamation by Eisenhower. Guess what else? I am wrong. Thank you for correcting me.

**DanaRhea bends over**

OK, start kicking. LOL.

Dwight D. Eisenhower: Proclamation 3044?Display of the Flag of the United States of America at Half-Staff Upon the Death of Certain Officials and Former Officials
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Thank you for the link. That's interesting.

It does show that the proper protocol was followed for Senator McCain, at least with regards to the White House flag.
 
danarhea said:
Wow, just wow. To be fair, I don't think Trump did this to be mean, and it might have been someone else at the White House who ordered the flag back to full staff instead of Trump. Either way, it shows gross carelessness on the part of the administration. As Commander in Chief, Trump should know better. It was probably just a mistake, but holy batcrap, what a mistake!!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/flag-f...te-house-as-nation-honors-john-mccains-death/
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You're way too generous. Trump could have done something about it, and that he didn't, puts him to blame.

If any man is worthy at death of a half flag, it's McCain. The world knows it, but Trump is, well.....

They'll name buildings and stuff after McCain. The only way a building gets Trump's name is if he buys it and slaps it on himself.

What a douchebag.
 
earthworm said:
No , its about respect. . . of which trump and his deplorable would know nothing about ...
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What respect is owed McCain? I certainly owe him none, as do most. He certainly hasn't done anything to earn any as of late or within the last couple of decades. Further he died in his senate seat when he knew he was dying. A bit selfish dont you think? I aint gona dump on him but he will get no praise either.
 
Hedgology said:
Trump doesn't have to be cow-tow to people who didn't vote for him...
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He does if he wants to be a president. A president's main job is holding things together, and that's where it starts.

kow·tow

1.
act in an excessively subservient manner.

2.
historical
kneel and touch the ground with the forehead in worship or submission as part of Chinese custom.

What he should have done is similar to what a gracious host should do. That's dominant, but inclusive.
 
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Looks like Trump ordered flags at half-staff.

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American said:
Looks like Trump ordered flags at half-staff.

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Kinda loses the spirit if “the right thing” is done under duress!

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Very glad Trump lowered the flag. It should have stayed there since McCain's death, but I give him credit for reversing his decision.
I don't care about their rivalry. This is about McCain and his lifetime of service.
 
Holy crap, Trump has decided to be a bigger man today. Finally he has done something I can appreciate.
 
Verax said:
Holy crap, Trump has decided to be a bigger man today. Finally he has done something I can appreciate.
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Aaaaaand the flag is up to full staff again..... He's still the detestable arsehole we all know.
 
American said:
Looks like Trump ordered flags at half-staff.

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Of course he had to be shamed into doing so.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/403826-veteran-groups-tell-trump-to-lower-flag-to-half-staff-to-honor-mccain

"Veteran groups tell Trump to lower flag to half-staff to honor McCain"
Veterans groups are calling on President Trump to lower the White House flag to half-staff to honor Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who died on Saturday night of brain cancer.

“It’s outrageous that the White House would mark American hero John McCain’s death with a two-sentence tweet, making no mention of his heroic and inspiring life,” Joe Chenelly, the executive director of veterans advocacy group AMVETS, said in a statement.

"And by lowering flags for not one second more than the bare minimum required by law, despite a long-standing tradition of lowering flags until the funeral, the White House is openly showcasing its blatant disrespect for Senator McCain’s many decades of service and sacrifice to our country as well as the service of all his fellow veterans," Chenelly added.

The American Legion, the country's largest wartime veterans service organization, joined in condemning Trump for his muted response to McCain's death. McCain was a member of the American Legion and retired from the U.S. Navy at the rank of captain.

"On behalf of the American Legion's two million wartime veterans, I strongly urge you to make an appropriate presidential proclamation noting Senator McCain's death and legacy of service to our nation, and that our nation's flag be half-staffed throughout his internment," Denise Rohan, the national commander of the American Legion, said in a statement.

Flags at the White House returned to full-staff on Monday, less than 48 hours after they were lowered.
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trouble13 said:
How long is the flag supposed to be at half mass for the death of a senator?

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It's like 2 days or something.

https://www.gettysburgflag.com/fly-flag-half-mast
HOW LONG SHOULD THE FLAG BE AT HALF-STAFF?
Thirty days after the death of a President or former President
Ten days after the death of a Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives
Until the burial of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, secretary of a military department, a former Vice President, or the governor of a state, territory, or possession.
On the day of, and the day after, the death of a Member of Congress.

So, people are calling the President a douchebag over this?
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Aaaaaand the flag is up to full staff again..... He's still the detestable arsehole we all know.
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Are you sure? The flag was at half staff over the weekend, went back up, but was down again as of an hour ago.
 
tac138777 said:
So then procedure was followed and this is more of a nothing burger? Right?
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It just depends on what is important to you. Trump did the very minimum required but broke with the tradition of flying it for a week. Just as it is a tradition, not a requirement or even in writing, that a President should return the salute of military personnel. The tradition of returning the salute was started by Reagan and continued from thereon out by choice. If a President were to stop doing it many people would consider it a sleight against the military. Hell, people threw fits when Obama did it with a coffee in his hand.

If you are like me, and don’t care much about flags, tradition and this kind of symbolism, then it isn’t a big deal. But most people, particularly conservative Americans, have always cared about such things. But things change. Conservatives and others no longer find family values to be important in politicians so maybe they are abandoning these other values as well.
 
StuPedaso said:
Finally. :failpail:
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Here's what I think happened:

1) Trump flies flag at half staff for 2 days, which is what Eisenhower's proclamation called for.

2) Trump then flies flag at full staff.

3) Trump wasn't going to give McCain any more than what was recommended, because those 2 hated each other.

4) The crowd goes wild.

5) Trump brings back flag to half staff.

What's the big deal? A misunderstanding, that's all.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
It just depends on what is important to you. Trump did the very minimum required but broke with the tradition of flying it for a week. Just as it is a tradition, not a requirement or even in writing, that a President should return the salute of military personnel. The tradition of returning the salute was started by Reagan and continued from thereon out by choice. If a President were to stop doing it many people would consider it a sleight against the military. Hell, people threw fits when Obama did it with a coffee in his hand.

If you are like me, and don’t care much about flags, tradition and this kind of symbolism, then it isn’t a big deal. But most people, particularly conservative Americans, have always cared about such things. But things change. Conservatives and others no longer find family values to be important in politicians so maybe they are abandoning these other values as well.
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So basically conservatives are becoming more like democrats because they are both becoming less family and tradition oriented. And this is really a nothing burger as I’ve seen said here.
 
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