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Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance considering criminal prosecution of Trump Organization

year2late said:
Do you think Sessions is corrupt...if so, why?
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Because he's doing nothing while an illegal investigation tries to overturn a legitimate election.
 
Fletch said:
Ive seen Dershowitz on CNN quite a bit as well so, so much for that theory. But the point here is that he knows what he is talking about and you, well, dont.
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Other Attorneys who know what they are talking about have disagreed with him. Not any given attorney is the final word on anything. Attorney's disagree with each other, all the time, as do judges. All that matters is what the jury decides.

Keep that in mind, when you are appealing to authority.
 
JasperL said:
You asked "Trump knew this was a violation of campaign finance law? What makes you think that?" and I answered the question. Now you're moving the goal posts. I'm not kicking to the new ones. If you have evidence this was a routine arrangement, present it.

And Trump participated in the convoluted scheme by directing his company to pay Cohen BS "retainer" fees, so he was an active part of the scheme, and therefore approved of it.
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Trump did not direct the company to pay the fee because at that point he did not have control of the company.
 
Fletch said:
Liberals here seem to forget that Trump is entitled to a defense, and there are voices who claim no crime was committed here. Perhaps they are unaware of how the judicial system works here. There is a prosecution AND a defense. They seem to prefer the totalitarian, dare I say fascist? form of justice where what the state says is the final word.
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Drivel.

Everyone is entitled to opinion, and no one can claim fact until a verdict is rendered, and that fact is a given. Your point is really pointless.
 
ClaraD said:
Im not saying he i sdnt entitled to a defense. He is. He isnt entitled to use taxpayers money to defend himsel though
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No, he'll just use MAGA campaign funds, and not tell them he's doing it.
 
ludin said:
it is what happens when your TDS is getting to the highest levels.
rational thought and discussion are no longer available on these issues.

It doesn't matter what the law says he is guilty period.
it doesn't matter that the law says he isn't guilty.

It doesn't matter than the last FEC chairman himself said that it wasn't a crime.

all they care about is trump guilty trump guilty.
it doesn't matter that he isn't.

it is pretty sad that people are reduce to such base level of thinking.
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You know your argument is weak when you broad stroke all opponent's arguments as "fake" or "TDS". This is arguing by gimmick, falls under a pseudo debate technique called 'posturing'.

Posturing is not a valid argument.
 
 
Athanasius68 said:
Trump did not direct the company to pay the fee because at that point he did not have control of the company.
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So you are trying to convince us that DJTjr and Eric didn't coordinate the payment with Father?


If you believe that, I've got a bridge to nowhere to sell you.
 
OscarLevant said:
So you are trying to convince us that DJTjr and Eric didn't coordinate the payment with Father?


If you believe that, I've got a bridge to nowhere to sell you.
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It would appear that Cohen presented his request for repayment for personal services rendered to Mr. Trump to the Trump Organization. The CFO evidently authorized payment from the trust where Mr. Trump had placed his personal assets upon his inaguration.
Its probably why the CFO received immunity-- he will testify as to the business arrangement and structure of the trust.
 
apdst said:
Because he's doing nothing while an illegal investigation tries to overturn a legitimate election.
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Illegal inverstigation? How swampy of you.
 
jmotivator said:
Nope, not convoluted at all. There is two steps: 1) The DA tells Cohen he's facing 80 years 2) The DA doesn't need the headache and offers 3-5 years to clear it off his to-do list. 3) Cohen doesn't want to play Russian Roulette with an 80 year sentence and agrees to the deal. This is the reality of the US court system.

Your imaginary scenario is literally more complicated.
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Guys pleads guilty to crime he is guilty of? Not sure what is so complicated about that. Unlike yours, that explanation certainly doesn't have to ignore the paper trail of evidence surrounding the crime.
 
JasperL said:
LOL - I guess that's a fact for the jury.... :roll:
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It shouldnt be too hard-- one of the angst about a president Trump was over thst he would make presidential decisions so as to benefit the Trump organization. There were people yelling that he needed to sell. Instead Trump put his sons in charge, and placed his personal funds in a trust for which he has no access. Expenditures goes through the Trump company. All quite legal.
 
OscarLevant said:
You know your argument is weak when you broad stroke all opponent's arguments as "fake" or "TDS". This is arguing by gimmick, falls under a pseudo debate technique called 'posturing'.

Posturing is not a valid argument.
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Nope because i never apply it to all people. There are still some sane people out there that have the ability to logically approach the situation.
What you did is a fallacy called projection.
 
Athanasius68 said:
It shouldnt be too hard-- one of the angst about a president Trump was over thst he would make presidential decisions so as to benefit the Trump organization. There were people yelling that he needed to sell. Instead Trump put his sons in charge, and placed his personal funds in a trust for which he has no access. Expenditures goes through the Trump company. All quite legal.
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Your wasting your time trying to explain this stuff. It has already been explained and some of these people will always refuse to accept it.
why? they simply can't. it doesn't matter how much stuff comes out that shows he didn't do anything they will never accept it.
 
ludin said:
Your wasting your time trying to explain this stuff. It has already been explained and some of these people will always refuse to accept it.
why? they simply can't. it doesn't matter how much stuff comes out that shows he didn't do anything they will never accept it.
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Where has any bit of news ever shown he didn't? The only news has all made him look guilty and his actions guiltier. I've yet to see any story that supports the idea of Trump's innocence?
 
markjs said:
Where has any bit of news ever shown he didn't? The only news has all made him look guilty and his actions guiltier. I've yet to see any story that supports the idea of Trump's innocence?
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innocent until proven guilty remember.

we don't have to show anything that he is innocent.
you guys have to prove that he is guilty. so far there is nothing
0 nadda.
 
ludin said:
innocent until proven guilty remember.

we don't have to show anything that he is innocent.
you guys have to prove that he is guilty. so far there is nothing
0 nadda.
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Cuz there's absolutely nothing suspiciou8s about all the guys around him being corrupt, or the meeting with Russians we all now know he knew about, there is so much dirt on Trump you are in denial over, that you cannot even conceptualize a state of objective thinking.:roll:
 
markjs said:
Cuz there's absolutely nothing suspiciou8s about all the guys around him being corrupt, or the meeting with Russians we all now know he knew about, there is so much dirt on Trump you are in denial over, that you cannot even conceptualize a state of objective thinking.:roll:
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guys around him being corrupt is not a crime of his nor does it show he is guilty of anything.
That is old friggen news his son already testified about that.

Then you should be able to easily post something other than your opinion that shows him guilty.
so far you haven't posted anything nor has anyone else.
 
Athanasius68 said:
It shouldnt be too hard-- one of the angst about a president Trump was over thst he would make presidential decisions so as to benefit the Trump organization. There were people yelling that he needed to sell. Instead Trump put his sons in charge, and placed his personal funds in a trust for which he has no access. Expenditures goes through the Trump company. All quite legal.
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And if you believe he's actually turned control over to his sons and there is an effective wall between Trump and his many businesses, I have some excellent penny stocks for sale! Guaranteed to make you $millions, and just a small commission on my end...
 
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