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Top UNC leaders condemn Confederate statue toppling

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https://www.apnews.com/ca35b98f9b21...C-leaders-condemn-Confederate-statue-toppling

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) — Leaders of North Carolina’s university system spoke out Tuesday to condemn the toppling of a century-old Confederate memorial on the state’s flagship campus by protesters who decried racist motives for its placement on campus dating to a dedication speech praising violence against former slaves.

The University of North Carolina system’s president and the chairman of the Board of Governors promised a full criminal investigation of the Monday night protest that brought down the statue known as “Silent Sam.” The bronze figure of an anonymous rebel soldier was pulled down from its tall stone pedestal by protesters using ropes and banners to mask their action.
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Toppling confederate statues is replacing panty raids at major colleges & universities as a way to let off steam.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.apnews.com/ca35b98f9b21...C-leaders-condemn-Confederate-statue-toppling

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) — Leaders of North Carolina’s university system spoke out Tuesday to condemn the toppling of a century-old Confederate memorial on the state’s flagship campus by protesters who decried racist motives for its placement on campus dating to a dedication speech praising violence against former slaves.

The University of North Carolina system’s president and the chairman of the Board of Governors promised a full criminal investigation of the Monday night protest that brought down the statue known as “Silent Sam.” The bronze figure of an anonymous rebel soldier was pulled down from its tall stone pedestal by protesters using ropes and banners to mask their action.
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Toppling confederate statues is replacing panty raids at major colleges & universities as a way to let off steam.
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I hope the vandals are caught and face the appropriate punishment
 
Rexedgar said:
How many “pantie raids” have you been on? :lol:
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I think panty raids went the way of the rotary dial telephone: now just bits of American history.
 
JacksinPA said:
I think panty raids went the way of the rotary dial telephone: now just bits of American history.
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Agreed; then again my college days are long in the rear view mirror. If I remember the “panties” were surrendered with out much squabble. That wouldn’t play today.......
 
The monument had a tribute to the purity of the white race and all that jazz so I’m not sure why it was still there anyway
 
Chillfolks said:
I hope the vandals are caught and face the appropriate punishment
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Which would be a slap on the wrist, as it should be. That so many relics of and monuments to the pro-slavery south still remain intact is a tribute to the patience of this country's non-racists. Patience wears out, though, and many people realize that change can't occur while our immoral past is still being celebrated by morons. Knocking down some statues of bigots seems like more of a statement of an intent for a positive future than leaving them alone does.

Monuments to good men, if we must have monuments to anyone, can be built upon the ashes of vicious racists. That seems like poetic justice, a step in the right- I mean LEFT- direction.
 
I've been to that UNC campus. The campus & the coeds were all just gorgeous. I almost wanted to enroll there.
 
Rexedgar said:
Agreed; then again my college days are long in the rear view mirror. If I remember the “panties” were surrendered with out much squabble. That wouldn’t play today.......
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You'd get yourself arrested I'm sure.

If I recall the coeds would throw their undergarments out their dorm windows to the encouraging cheers of the male students below.
 
JacksinPA said:
I've been to that UNC campus. The campus & the coeds were all just gorgeous. I almost wanted to enroll there.
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The east coast girls are hip, I really dig those clothes they wear. But it's the USC girls that are burning. Take it from a veteran touring musician.
 
Yeah, panty raids died out when wet t shirt contests became publically acceptable.
 
Deuce said:
The monument had a tribute to the purity of the white race and all that jazz so I’m not sure why it was still there anyway
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Some people don't agree, so an orderly society has a process for dealing with these questions without resorting to mob action.

You do see this as a mob action, do you not?
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Some people don't agree, so an orderly society has a process for dealing with these questions without resorting to mob action.

You do see this as a mob action, do you not?
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The missus is a UNC Chapel Hill alum, anyone know why “Silent Sam” is called “SS”?














He only fires his rifle when a virgin walks by.......
 
Rexedgar said:
The missus is a UNC Chapel Hill alum, anyone know why “Silent Sam” is called “SS”?














He only fires his rifle when a virgin walks by.......
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Why are you asking me if anyone knows why...?

For the record, I don't know why and I don't care why. Mob action is mob action.
 
Rexedgar said:
Agreed; then again my college days are long in the rear view mirror. If I remember the “panties” were surrendered with out much squabble. That wouldn’t play today.......
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Yeah. Don't know everyone's age here, but panty raids were pretty much a thing of the past when I was in college in the early 2000s (liberal school in the Northeast). I guess you could try it, but you'd end up in front of the Dean and a disciplinary board.

Today I'm pretty sure we'd just get expelled.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Why are you asking me if anyone knows why...?

For the record, I don't know why and I don't care why. Mob action is mob action.
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Sorry, I did not mean to quote you; they can do something about that lumber problem you suffer from; “stickus removeus!”
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Some people don't agree, so an orderly society has a process for dealing with these questions without resorting to mob action.

You do see this as a mob action, do you not?
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One problem is NC apparently did what TN did and put the fate of these monuments in the hands of state officials, and remove the ability of local communities to decide when or if to remove monuments like this one. So the "orderly process" ignores the will of those most affected.

I'm betting lots of UNC officials are secretly glad it's been pulled down. One article said they'd spent about $400k on security etc. related to that monument just last year, and it was clearly a controversial statue. Now the officials don't have to make the hard decision on its future - thanks vandals!
 
JasperL said:
One problem is NC apparently did what TN did and put the fate of these monuments in the hands of state officials, and remove the ability of local communities to decide when or if to remove monuments like this one. So the "orderly process" ignores the will of those most affected.

I'm betting lots of UNC officials are secretly glad it's been pulled down. One article said they'd spent about $400k on security etc. related to that monument just last year, and it was clearly a controversial statue. Now the officials don't have to make the hard decision on its future - thanks vandals!
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Indeed they may be glad, but I don't know the rules of UNC or NC in general. Where a mob makes a decision to take matters in their own hands is not the action of an orderly society. Today it may be something you agree with, and tomorrow it isn't.
 
Rexedgar said:
Sorry, I did not mean to quote you; they can do something about that lumber problem you suffer from; “stickus removeus!”
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Gee, thanks. I did answer what apparently was meant to be a rhetorical question...

...And now I'm starting to think I have an issue with pest control.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Do you have an argument to say that mob action isn't mob action?
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So this is basically the same as, say, lynching someone?

One can't throw platitudes and false equivalence and expect anyone to believe they've a grasp of the issues or instance.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Indeed they may be glad, but I don't know the rules of UNC or NC in general. Where a mob makes a decision to take matters in their own hands is not the action of an orderly society. Today it may be something you agree with, and tomorrow it isn't.
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I've said a couple of times, the people who did this did it in front of police, and a bunch of people with cameras, and made a decision to commit a crime or crimes. I'm fine with them being prosecuted - the vandals should have accepted that as a LIKELY and acceptable consequence of their actions.

All I'm pointing out is the "mob action" came after a couple of years of effort to remove/move the monument in an "orderly" fashion. UNC told the students the university's hands were tied because state law controlled the monument, and the state then did nothing. So the lesson here IMO is when laws and gutless officials thwart peaceful, orderly solutions, the chances of "mob action" - in this case protest and vandalism during which no one was harmed - to get something done go UP.
 
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