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Calls for ‘fraud’ probe of Donald Trump’s trip to Scotland

Kal'Stang said:
No. A lie is only a lie if it is intentionally said as a lie. That is a fact and no spin. And all he's really said about the Mueller investigation is its a witch hunt. Is that a lie? Or truth? Or opinion? Same thing with what he's said about the Press. Lie? Truth? Or opinion? Do you even know the difference?
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Valid point, lie, truth, opinion, spin, or hyperbole.

Seems a lot of Trump's hyperbole is taken a lies, as are a lot of his opinions and spin, well, just because.
 
Kal'Stang said:
No. A lie is only a lie if it is intentionally said as a lie. That is a fact and no spin. And all he's really said about the Mueller investigation is its a witch hunt. Is that a lie? Or truth? Or opinion? Same thing with what he's said about the Press. Lie? Truth? Or opinion? Do you even know the difference?
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He knows exactly what he is saying and what he is doing, every word out of his mouth is an intentional lie. I am sure YOU do believe that our free press is the enemy of the people. I am sure YOU do believe that the Mueller investigation is a witch hunt.
 
Floridafan said:
He knows exactly what he is saying and what he is doing, every word out of his mouth is an intentional lie. I am sure YOU do believe that our free press is the enemy of the people. I am sure YOU do believe that the Mueller investigation is a witch hunt.
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Prove it.

And no, I don't think the press is the "enemy of the people". Greedy bastards yes, "enemy of the people", no. As for Muellers probe, I'm waiting for him to finish before making up my mind. You've already convicted Trump.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Not surprised you bring that up. Does Trump lie? Yes. Does he lie as much as it is claimed? I don't think so. I used to view that list, and there were times that what was claimed as a lie, wasn't really a lie. At best it could be considered an exaggeration. Plus a lie is something told on purpose. In other words if someone says something that they think is true, its not lying. It's them being incorrect if it actually is wrong. Due to Trumps ego he's incapable of apologizing most of the time so that doesn't help. Note: That is NOT excusing the times he does lie. But claiming something is a lie and it being an actual lie is being confused now a days.
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I would also add the level of unforgivness by the no media seven as apolitical obstacles for him to admit that a mistake.

Just because the liberal media is in full desperation mode to bring him down does not mean he has any obligation to assist them.

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eohrnberger said:
Valid point, lie, truth, opinion, spin, or hyperbole.

Seems a lot of Trump's hyperbole is taken a lies, as are a lot of his opinions and spin, well, just because.
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What about his biggest lie, "No collusion"? He says it daily and he has been colluding with Russians since the 1980's
 
upsideguy said:
Are you kidding? Finding some kind of flaw in Trump? Are you being disingenuous, oblivious or are you simply a cultist (with incredible rationalization skills)?

The "leftists" biggest problem has been organization the Trump flaws in a way that the most egregious are on the minds on the American voters. As soon as one Trump fault is a revealed, Trump shows us another so that we forget about the first.

You want a list of Trump flaws.... well here are a few others see....

Trump is unfit to be President
Majority of Americans think Trump is unfit to serve as president
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2487
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2511
Trump Lacks Temperament
Donald Trump?s Temperament Could Explain His Abysmal Poll Numbers | HuffPost
Richard Branson: 'Trump's Temperament Is Irrational, Aggressive and He Lacks Informed Ideas'
Trump is Dangerous
http://www.timesofisrael.com/the-dangerous-rhetoric-of-donald-trump/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201208/dangerous-cult-leaders
http://www.spiegel.de/international...ost-dangerous-man-in-the-world-a-1075060.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/world/europe/donald-trump-un-human-rights.html
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21663225-why-donald-dangerous-trumps-america
Trump is ignorant
http://www.jjmccullough.com/index.php/the-ignorance-of-donald-trump/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...647fcce95e0_story.html?utm_term=.c1f4913a0ec7
Trump is a bad business man
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/its-worse-than-you-think-trumps-business-disaster-2016-03-04
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/07/opinion/sunday/trump-the-bad-bad-businessman.html
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091.html
http://www.dailywire.com/news/3729/donald-trump-successful-businessman-not-really-aaron-bandler
http://time.com/3988970/donald-trump-business/
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2068227,00.html
Trump is a racist
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racism-history
http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...edCenter&action=click&src=recg&pgtype=article
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...g-from-trumps-bigotry/?utm_term=.eaeeed730f27
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...53b65c809eb_story.html?utm_term=.9f5bbd5eadf7
https://kiej.georgetown.edu/trump-bigotry-ethics-stigma/
https://www.theguardian.com/culture...tv-donald-trump-racist-charlottesville-tweets
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazin...irst-white-president-ta-nehisi-coates/537909/
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/trumps-long-history-of-racism-w497876
Trump is a liar
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-claims-over-355-days/?utm_term=.9bd65fdab03a
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-donald-trump-liar-20171208-story.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/01/politics/donald-trump-sotu-ratings/index.html
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/donald-trump-lies-liar-effect-brain-214658
https://www.factcheck.org/person/donald-trump/
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...etting-more-dishonest-a-star-study-shows.html
https://www.vogue.com/article/donald-trump-lies-200-days
http://www.newsweek.com/mr-speaker-stop-trump-let-gop-lose-election-489797
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

....just a few flaws...
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Trump has visited his properties 170-something times, mostly golfing. The accommodation costs funnelled into his businesses from the US taxpayer must be in the hundreds of thousands at least.
 
marke said:
Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS stated that he was hired by concerns linked to the GOP to investigate Trump in 2015 but it was only after the Clinton campaign hired his firm that he hired Christopher Steele to invent the fake dossier used by Obamanites in the FBI to get illegal wiretaps on Trump.

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Fascinating assertion.

What's 'fake' about the dossier? Please be very specific.
 
Top Cat said:
Enlighten me. How exactly is it ethical for him to stay at his own resort using tax dollars to pay for it?
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You would rather he stay at democrat donor's house with all expenses paid by the government?

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Kal'Stang said:
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Not going to click on every single link there. However I find it funny that you consider polls of what people think of Trump as proof of whatever you consider as flaws in Trump himself. Also, one of the links that I did click on didn't even mention Trump. Funny thing is I can name some flaws in Trump which don't require that I use sources that don't even mention Trump. Such as him being a braggart and has a huge ego that gets the better of him.
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Actually, if 57% of voters think the man is unfit for office, he is unfit for office. If a leader has no followers, he is a poor leader, which is a flaw. However, to which you refer was the conclusion of two links of the 20 or so I provided and just one of the 7 flaws I cited. So, if you did not like those two, then NUTS to you as was plenty of substance in that post.

As I mentioned, my list was just SOME of Trump's flaws articulated by third parties. I did not get into his arrogance, narcissism, impulsivity, poor temper, lack of a moral compass or crudeness.... I don't think we have seen a man with so many faults and character flaws get this far in life. Its nice to have Russian friends when you have to live with the type of life challenging handicaps as the Donald.
 
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iguanaman said:
What about his biggest lie, "No collusion"? He says it daily and he has been colluding with Russians since the 1980's
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You are free to believe in whatever collusion during the election campaign CT you feel that you must.

It is, after all, still a free country (at least until the excessive political correct get in power and outlaw any opposing opinions and beliefs).
 
marke said:
You would rather he stay at democrat donor's house with all expenses paid by the government?
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No. And you didn't answer my question. Your weak ass deflection notwithstanding, I ask again.


How exactly is it ethical for him to stay at his own resort using tax dollars to pay for it?
 
marke said:
You would rather he stay at democrat donor's house with all expenses paid by the government?

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Please provide substantive evidence to support those ridiculous claims.

(hint: I doubt you could find more than 5% of the population that thinks Trump is personally losing money on his presidency..and, anyone that thinks he has "sacrificed his wealth" is completely delusional).

Note to self: Why are you arguing with low-information cultists?
 
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Rogue Valley said:
Seems to be [yet another] Emoluments Clause violation.

Trump is already being sued in two courtrooms for Emolument violations.

The Trump Swamp™ strikes again.
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Democrats in NY have filed dozens of frivolous or fraudulent lawsuits against Trump, the morons.

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marke said:
Democrats in NY have filed dozens of frivolous or fraudulent lawsuits against Trump, the morons.
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The Vast Majority of those Honest Folks who havd sued Russian Mafia #45 were paid off out of court, such as those from dumb **** trump U.
 
marke said:
You would rather he stay at democrat donor's house with all expenses paid by the government
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#45 is a GOPutin C.L.I.T. of the highest order of Security Threat to the USA.

Criminally Libelous Insane Traitor
 
eohrnberger said:
You are free to believe in whatever collusion during the election campaign CT you feel that you must.

It is, after all, still a free country (at least until the excessive political correct get in power and outlaw any opposing opinions and beliefs).
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McConnell knew of the Russian Collusion in September of 2016 and refused to sign on to it.

McConnell is still and will always remain the worst and most dangerous politician of any era.
 
Atomic Kid said:
Does anyone really need to have to look that hard? He's full of them.
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Of course tribal savage barbarian morons think normal people are stupid and wicked. That is just how they have been programmed to think. It doesn't really mean anything.ocassio eats free lunch at american evil rich dudes expense.jpg
 
eohrnberger said:
You are free to believe in whatever collusion during the election campaign CT you feel that you must.

It is, after all, still a free country (at least until the excessive political correct get in power and outlaw any opposing opinions and beliefs).
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Like criticism of trump?
 
I see only three things to consider:
  • Are his properties in the reasonable vicinity of where his business or permitted vacation is (he isn't going far out of his way to stay there)
  • Is the fee charged in line with what the business would charge others under similar conditions (understandably difficult to estimate since he's the only POTUS they serve)
  • Is the overall cost similar to what would be incurred were another business used (no, that doesn't mean 'compared to Motel 6')

If the answer to all those questions is typically 'yes', then to me the issue is immaterial.
 
eohrnberger said:
You are free to believe in whatever collusion during the election campaign CT you feel that you must.

It is, after all, still a free country (at least until the excessive political correct get in power and outlaw any opposing opinions and beliefs).
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You mean like threatening prison and revoking security clearances of your political enemies like Trump does? No Democrat has ever done these things or any other Republican for that matter. Trump is a dangerous threat to our freedom and must be impeached and his illegal gains confiscated. We need to make an example of him so no one tries this again.
 
iguanaman said:
You mean like threatening prison and revoking security clearances of your political enemies like Trump does? No Democrat has ever done these things or any other Republican for that matter. Trump is a dangerous threat to our freedom and must be impeached and his illegal gains confiscated. We need to make an example of him so no one tries this again.
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Yeah, shoot him at dawn so Hillary can take his office. . . :roll:

Most all of that you just mentioned is just invented out of someone's fevered imaginations.
 
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