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Ocasio-Cortez bans press from town hall

AlbqOwl said:
And in a deeply blue low income district with a near 20% poverty rate, she will likely win her election with no problem especially since for all practical purposes she is running unopposed.
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Nonsense. The average single family residential unit in the district sells for more than $500k, per the NYS tax commission, the mean family of four income is greater than $100k annually. The poverty rate is skewed by recent immigrants, the elderly and welfare families in city projects.

Crowley is still on the ticket. He has not withdrawn from the race. She stumbles and he wins. Rudy Greco who runs the Democratic Club in Corona, Elmhurst and Jackson Heights sees her as an interloper, and is pushing Hermano Gutierrez as an independent candidate. Gutierrez has greater support among non Puerto Rican Hispanics than she does. Gutierrez is a favorite son candidate in Queens, who was an intern for the City Council, on staff for Judge Joe Risi Jr., and a graduate of St. Johns College and Law School. He's 26, married with 3 young children. His wife is a local pediatrician.

Queens politicians tend to be St. John's graduates, Bronx, Fordham graduates.

In the non progressive, religiously conservative Hispanic communities, marriage and family are everything. She doesn't even have a boyfriend and rumors, true or not, are flying about her sexual preferences. Even gay Hispanic men show a Macho facade.

Kathleen Quinn, former City Council speaker, a loudly spoken representative of the Manhattan LGBT community, withdrew from the mayoral election when her sexuality precluded any support in the outer boroughs ethnic groups. Without the outer boroughs, no mayor has ever been elected since 1902.

She does not have support from either Bronx or Queens County Democratic clubs, and she naively thinks they don't matter. She could get elected without them, but without them she will never get a bill passed.

This election is far from decided.
 
danielpalos said:
we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and Industrial Automation to help with social costs.

the right wing prefers their Ministry of Truth to Open Debate.
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Right or wrong, the local Spanish constituency in expensive NYC, sees the $15 minimum wage an attack on their small and growing businesses, and curtailment of entry level jobs. Your progressive policies are not welcome here. No one believes choosing not to work should have a guaranteed income. Laziness is detested.

Luddite mentalities were proven wrong. Industrial automation creates jobs. This is already happening again as workers are now being pushed to learn skills which bring higher wages for jobs that never previously existed.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Thank you. :applaud

Her reasoning makes a great deal of sense and given her reasoning if I were in her place I would likely have done the same thing.

Over the years I have been one of the speakers at large community events in 5 states and Puerto Rico where the target audiences were members of minority classes. Many were rightfully reluctant to attend as they were/had been oppressed and generally ****ed over by the local, state and/or national governments that were, and still are, middle class workers carrying out the wishes of the ruling upper class. People from the lower class don't have much representation in government. And they feel it.

I'm a blonde haired, blue-eyed, white guy with a strong Southern drawl. You might guess the shivering reception I often received. I understood and I knew going in. In every case I was one of no more than three white middle class speakers at the events, as it should be. It was imperative that I did not present myself as a white middle class man who was there to tell them what they needed to do. It can be a tough challenge, like walking through a mine field.

A few times I was informed by the event producers that members of the target audience were reluctant to attend. Often they were afraid that they might be singled out if they asked questions or explained frustrating situations. Some were embarrassed because of their poor English. Some believed from previous heartbreaking experiences that the venue would not be accessible to people with disabilities. Some were afraid that the government assistance they received might have stopped if they were identified. Some were afraid that they would appear and be misquoted on the news.

I don't recall the press situation at all the events but I do remember a few where the press was allowed or asked only to attend during opening remarks and keynote presentations. Beyond that the press was not invited and not welcomed. I got it. It made great sense to me. If there was to be meaningful, substantive and honest discussion that came from the heart the attendees very much needed to speak out without fear.

Each time it was a humbling experience for me. I learned so much more from them than I could ever have given them.

I completely understand the reason why Ocasio-Cortez held town hall that was closed to the press. I think also that I understand why her constituents love her.

Good on her.
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Just the bolder part

It sounds like you find racial profiling acceptable under certain conditions. Is that a fair assumption?



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OldFatGuy said:
Right or wrong, the local Spanish constituency in expensive NYC, sees the $15 minimum wage an attack on their small and growing businesses, and curtailment of entry level jobs. Your progressive policies are not welcome here. No one believes choosing not to work should have a guaranteed income. Laziness is detested.

Luddite mentalities were proven wrong. Industrial automation creates jobs. This is already happening again as workers are now being pushed to learn skills which bring higher wages for jobs that never previously existed.
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are you going to stop whining about taxes for social services?

If not,

we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and Industrial Automation to help with social costs.

A minimum wage is a Minimum wage and you still need Labor to get the job done.

Unemployment compensation is for everyone you can't hire, especially in Right to Work States.
 
distraff said:
Yeah, exactly. Some people will try everything they can to attack the other side but never give any mind to their own.
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distraff said:
What if the title had been:
"Trump bans press from Town Hall"? Would you have been as quick to criticize?
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Yeah. Do a search on me and Trump and find out what I think of him.

Or, persist on your assumptions based on a single post. Doesn't matter to me either way.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Not true. Her staff was trying to shut up local critics from local media. This was all about local media asking her about local issues when they wanted a focus on national progressive politics. Her first town meeting was attended by about 200 people, more than 70 representing local media in the Spanish speaking communities. No one gives two hoots about ICE in the Barrios. Don't you pretend that you have a clue. Puerto Ricans are US citizens. Puerto Ricans are her base.
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. . . wow.
 
danielpalos said:
are you going to stop whining about taxes for social services?

If not,

we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and Industrial Automation to help with social costs.

A minimum wage is a Minimum wage and you still need Labor to get the job done.

Unemployment compensation is for everyone you can't hire, especially in Right to Work States.
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Where do you see me saying anything about social services? Cut the BS.

No one wants your vision of socialism except those who are too lazy to work. Where is your self respect, your integrity?

And unemployment insurance is for those who paid into the system, an employment tax they contributed to, the balance covered by their employers. It is not a social service.

Minimum wages aren't as desirable as you think, and they can do damage for those you think you are helping. Obviously you have never employed anyone nor created work for employees.
 
danielpalos said:
are you going to stop whining about taxes for social services?

If not,

we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and Industrial Automation to help with social costs.

A minimum wage is a Minimum wage and you still need Labor to get the job done.

Unemployment compensation is for everyone you can't hire, especially in Right to Work States.
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Where in the Constitution does it give the government the authority to dictate a minimum wage?

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Threegoofs said:
Article XII.

I learned that from out great President.
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Your response is so lame and weak I question it's sincerity. explain to me how the the articles of ratification are related to the minimum wage

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Harshaw said:
Yeah. Do a search on me and Trump and find out what I think of him.

Or, persist on your assumptions based on a single post. Doesn't matter to me either way.
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He is somewhat a new poster, but I am not. I have read a lot of your posts, and I have never seen you lay out in detail what you think of Trump.

I wouldn't say you're a never-Trumper. You have showed him some support. But who knows unless you want to clarify something for us... or don't. :shrug:
 
OldFatGuy said:
Where do you see me saying anything about social services? Cut the BS.

No one wants your vision of socialism except those who are too lazy to work. Where is your self respect, your integrity?

And unemployment insurance is for those who paid into the system, an employment tax they contributed to, the balance covered by their employers. It is not a social service.

Minimum wages aren't as desirable as you think, and they can do damage for those you think you are helping. Obviously you have never employed anyone nor created work for employees.
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That is all the right wing does, is whine about the cost of social services. Tax cuts for the rich and cuts to social services for the poor, is all the right wing knows how to do.

capitalism has Natural rate of unemployment for the benefit of capitalists, bottom line. it really is Institutional, not Individual.

Yes, minimum wages solve capitalism's, natural rate of failure, along with unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed.
 
trouble13 said:
Just the bolder part

It sounds like you find racial profiling acceptable under certain conditions. Is that a fair assumption?

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No. That is a bigot's assumption.
 
AlbqOwl said:
She has very little knowledge of any of the issues outside her own district as evidenced by the media exposure she has. She has also demonstrated that she has no clue how the economy works and could not even define democratic-socialist which she claims to be when asked to do so. And she has gotten the facts wrong on a lot of stuff so far. None of that has anything whatsoever to do with President Trump.

To her credit she is actually running on something, however wrongheaded, instead of utilizing the TDS method most Democrats are using. She has done relatively little Trump bashing.

She won her primary election by promising free college education to all, free healthcare all, a guaranteed high minimum wage and guaranteed jobs paying a living wage to all, abolishing ICE, and raising taxes on the rich to pay for all of that. And in a deeply blue low income district with a near 20% poverty rate, she will likely win her election with no problem especially since for all practical purposes she is running unopposed.
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You're seriously overstating the poverty of the 14th district. I grew up there, in Jackson Heights, and my parents sold our childhood home about 15 years ago for near $400K. It's a blue collar area to be sure but it's not "poor" by any stretch of the imagination.
 
danielpalos said:
That is all the right wing does, is whine about the cost of social services. Tax cuts for the rich and cuts to social services for the poor, is all the right wing knows how to do.

capitalism has Natural rate of unemployment for the benefit of capitalists, bottom line. it really is Institutional, not Individual.

Yes, minimum wages solve capitalism's, natural rate of failure, along with unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed.
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This is a capitalist country. Everything we all enjoy is because of capitalism. You don't like it, you're free to leave for somewhere else, like Venezuela. Socialism is doing a terrific job for Venezuela. Erewhon.

There is no such thing as a Capitalism natural rate of unemployment.

And save your ridiculous political labels for someone else. They don't fit this old man.
 
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OldFatGuy said:
This is a capitalist country. Everything we all enjoy is because of capitalism. You don't like it, you're free to leave for somewhere else, like Venezuela. Socialism is doing a terrific job for Venezuela. Erewhon.

There is no such thing as a Capitalism natural rate of unemployment.

And save your ridiculous political labels for someone else. They don't fit this old man.
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Nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics, or morals.

We have a mixed-market economy, not true capitalism.

Congress commands fiscal policy for our economy and our central bank commands monetary policy for our economy.

The left is merely learning how to use Capitalism, for all of its capital worth in modern times.
 
danielpalos said:
Nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics, or morals.

We have a mixed-market economy, not true capitalism.

Congress commands fiscal policy for our economy and our central bank commands monetary policy for our economy.

The left is merely learning how to use Capitalism, for all of its capital worth in modern times.
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Erewhon.

Venezuela is waiting for you.
 
Threegoofs said:
Like....Medicare? Social Security? Overinflated police pensions?

Yay capitalism!
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FDR was a capitalist, he gave us social security.

LBJ was a capitalist, he gave us medicare and medicaid.

What exactly have you accomplished for others?
 
OldFatGuy said:
Nonsense. The average single family residential unit in the district sells for more than $500k, per the NYS tax commission, the mean family of four income is greater than $100k annually. The poverty rate is skewed by recent immigrants, the elderly and welfare families in city projects.

Crowley is still on the ticket. He has not withdrawn from the race. She stumbles and he wins. Rudy Greco who runs the Democratic Club in Corona, Elmhurst and Jackson Heights sees her as an interloper, and is pushing Hermano Gutierrez as an independent candidate. Gutierrez has greater support among non Puerto Rican Hispanics than she does. Gutierrez is a favorite son candidate in Queens, who was an intern for the City Council, on staff for Judge Joe Risi Jr., and a graduate of St. Johns College and Law School. He's 26, married with 3 young children. His wife is a local pediatrician.

Queens politicians tend to be St. John's graduates, Bronx, Fordham graduates.

In the non progressive, religiously conservative Hispanic communities, marriage and family are everything. She doesn't even have a boyfriend and rumors, true or not, are flying about her sexual preferences. Even gay Hispanic men show a Macho facade.

Kathleen Quinn, former City Council speaker, a loudly spoken representative of the Manhattan LGBT community, withdrew from the mayoral election when her sexuality precluded any support in the outer boroughs ethnic groups. Without the outer boroughs, no mayor has ever been elected since 1902.

She does not have support from either Bronx or Queens County Democratic clubs, and she naively thinks they don't matter. She could get elected without them, but without them she will never get a bill passed.

This election is far from decided.
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I did look up the stats for the 14th district and stand by my post. But I hope you are right that the election isn't decided. She is certainly attractiing a LOT of attention including this thread at DP. Sometimes that's all it takes to get elected.
 
Gaius46 said:
You're seriously overstating the poverty of the 14th district. I grew up there, in Jackson Heights, and my parents sold our childhood home about 15 years ago for near $400K. It's a blue collar area to be sure but it's not "poor" by any stretch of the imagination.
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Low income though by New York standards and close to 20% of the population is near or below the poverty level. Roughly 80% of the population live in multi-family housing.
https://www.biggestuscities.com/demographics/ny/14th-congressional-district
 
AlbqOwl said:
I did look up the stats for the 14th district and stand by my post. But I hope you are right that the election isn't decided. She is certainly attractiing a LOT of attention including this thread at DP. Sometimes that's all it takes to get elected.
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I don't know where your stats are from, but I suggest they are old. The Bronx portion of her district has three city housing project which have been traditionally low income, but even in those today, most apartments are inhabited by those with civil service jobs, and they are bringing home decent income.

I wouldn't mind if she won, but she's going to learn she can't deliver on her promises, not as a junior congresswoman, not as a progressive, and not without allies in the Democrat establishment. Her greatest new problem, she's taken on DeBlasio as a mentor for national ambitions. Way too soon, and he has more enemies than friends in the party. The big question, can she learn before she destroys herself? Still, she's a message to other young aspiring ethnic politicians, they can do.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Low income though by New York standards and close to 20% of the population is near or below the poverty level. Roughly 80% of the population live in multi-family housing.
https://www.biggestuscities.com/demographics/ny/14th-congressional-district
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That includes two and three family houses, mostly occupied by extended multigenerational families. It includes the old coops of Jackson Heights, huge apartments that sell for more than $400k for a 1 bedroom, $5-550k for two bedrooms, and upwards of a million for modernized 5-6 bedroom units. Not hardy poverty situations. More than 85% of city residents live in multiple dwellings. The Bronx is the fastest growing of the 5 counties, with new construction, rehabs, and population growth benefiting from higher paid employee demand.
 
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