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John Brennan: President Trump’s Claims of No Collusion Are Hogwash

JackA said:
Of course more about Russian meddling has been learned since Brennan left the CIA; it was an unfolding investigation at the time. As for his tenure, you seem to think he personally did the uncover work.
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JackA said:
Yeah, it's true. He didn't personally "dig up" a lot of stuff as Director of the CIA. Are we in kindergarten here?

The Russian meddling during the election did not happen "under Obama". It happened in the dark and the intelligence community has been, and apparently still is, working to ferret it out. That this takes time should not be difficult to understand.
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It didn't happen in the dark. Obama had requested to be kept in the loop. Didn't you know that?
 
JackA said:
Yeah, it's true. He didn't personally "dig up" a lot of stuff as Director of the CIA. Are we in kindergarten here?

The Russian meddling during the election did not happen "under Obama". It happened in the dark and the intelligence community has been, and apparently still is, working to ferret it out. That this takes time should not be difficult to understand.
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OK OK wait a minute... Obama was President from 2008-2016, Russian meddling by 2016 election Standards had to have occurred Prior to November of 2016 so YES meddling by Russians DID infact happen under Obama.


Was Obama knowledgeable of this is the questions. Was the Intel Communities knowledgeable of it oddly 17 communities where eager to scream it did HAPPEN? they just found out December of 2016 that Russia was meddling... Yet Brennan as the CIA director says he knows. SO that means DURING Obama's terms and his Administration KNEW something or it was ALL made up.... both cannot be true.
 
JackA said:
Yeah, it's true. He didn't personally "dig up" a lot of stuff as Director of the CIA. Are we in kindergarten here?

The Russian meddling during the election did not happen "under Obama". It happened in the dark and the intelligence community has been, and apparently still is, working to ferret it out. That this takes time should not be difficult to understand.
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Are you saying that you believe Obama wasn't fully aware of Russian meddling?

eta: and I mean WHILE President.
 
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bubbabgone said:
It didn't happen in the dark. Obama had requested to be kept in the loop. Didn't you know that?
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Evidently not.
Probably isn't aware that Obama told his cyber security czar to stand down plans to counter Russian medding.
Can't tell someone to stand down when you have zero knowledge that it was happening in situ.
 
bubbagone said:
As CIA Chief he had deep insight but he didn't know about the good stuff - that happened during his tenure, mind you - until the media reported it.
Either he was a crappy CIA Chief or he's still lying.
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It this where someone tells Bubbagone that CIA can monitor foreign adversaries like Russia, but cannot wholesale spy on Americans on U.S. soil.
Should we also inform him that if FBI is conducting an investigation into Americans, they can randomly share details of an ongoing investigation?

You should be on FOX news with this, they love spinning nonsense on top of absurdity, with a kiss of stupidity.

In the real world, there is plenty of evidence of Americans working with Russians to interfere in the 2016 election. He's correct that the only question remaining is will they be indicted, and will they be found guilty. Big ones in the public record are Trump Tower, along with the unnamed American in the most recent Russian hacking indictment, along with Roger Stone (and maybe Jr again) in connection with Guccifer/Wikileaks, and potentially more with Butina who infiltrated the NRA as desperately seeking old white GOP men to screw for information. We know they happily obliged to that, but what else? TBD.

Mueller is communicating with indictments and through Rosenstein.
 
Acadia said:
Are you saying that you believe Obama wasn't fully aware of Russian meddling?

eta: and I mean WHILE President.
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No. I mean the fact that the meddling occurred during his term in office does not confer on him any responsibility for it happening, nor make him responsible or his CIA director responsible for discovering all of the facts relating to it. It did make him and the CIA responsible for launching a serious investigation into it, which they did.
 
JackA said:
No. I mean the fact that the meddling occurred during his term in office does not confer on him any responsibility for it happening, nor make him responsible or his CIA director responsible for discovering all of the facts relating to it. It did make him and the CIA responsible for launching a serious investigation into it, which they did.
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Thank you for your answer. I don't quite see it that way, but ok.
 
Mach said:
It this where someone tells Bubbagone that CIA can monitor foreign adversaries like Russia, but cannot wholesale spy on Americans on U.S. soil.
Should we also inform him that if FBI is conducting an investigation into Americans, they can randomly share details of an ongoing investigation?

You should be on FOX news with this, they love spinning nonsense on top of absurdity, with a kiss of stupidity.

In the real world, there is plenty of evidence of Americans working with Russians to interfere in the 2016 election. He's correct that the only question remaining is will they be indicted, and will they be found guilty. Big ones in the public record are Trump Tower, along with the unnamed American in the most recent Russian hacking indictment, along with Roger Stone (and maybe Jr again) in connection with Guccifer/Wikileaks, and potentially more with Butina who infiltrated the NRA as desperately seeking old white GOP men to screw for information. We know they happily obliged to that, but what else? TBD.

Mueller is communicating with indictments and through Rosenstein.
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First off I can agree, I am SURE there are Americans and super secret spies working to undermine elections AMERICAN is GUILTY of doing that to other countries.

Trump Tower. None of which was Illegal as THERE was no criminal Charges even when all parties spoke with FBI agents and testified in front of congress WHAT CRIME WAS COMMITTED? was it stupid yes

Unnamed American in Russian Hacking.... LOL love that "Unnamed" part kinda like Anonymous Source...Kinda like "Source #1" in the Carter page FISA report.


Finally Roger Stone, Jr, Criminal referrals anyone? Yeah UM does not TAKE Mueller to refer criminal actions IF ANY OF THEM are legit, Brennan, Comey, McCabe ALL knew about the tower meeting same with Flynn BECAUSE he was Unmasked PRIOR to Mueller.

So WHAT are these guys doing as the PREMIUM law enforcement and why would it ONLY take Mueller to do a criminal referral AFTER the fact. If they couldnt do it post 2016 November, ONLY Mueller is allowed, What a joke.....

Butina and NRA... Jeezus..... Its NOT illegal to do business with Russians.... Its illegal to do CRIMINAL activities with CRIMINALS, Regardless if its Russians, Syrians, Iranians...

Give us an actual indictment. Not just talking points...
 
Acadia said:
Perhaps the booming economy and record unemployment will.
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ah, but i'd be careful hanging my hat on that as a stopgap. we're approaching the longest expansion on record. :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_economic_expansions_in_the_United_States

add in the fact that the president is a fool who thinks that trade wars are awesome and can't be bothered to pick up a book on economics or history, and sooner or later the Trumpist party will be running on the crash that he directly causes. i hope that they pay dearly at the polls for putting us all at risk. however, my ass is one the line, too, so i also hope that I don't have to endure another right wing recession.
 
Winston said:
It's odd watching conservatives trash a man who played a key role in the decision to take out Osama Bin Laden. But, yeah, he's a political hack or something..
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The two are mutually exclusive and are in no way connected to each other.
 
bubbabgone said:
You've heard that he wrote it .... now you can read the whole thing.
When you're done, ask yourself ...
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/...tml?rref=collection/sectioncollection/opinion

It ain't there.
But one thing did jump off the screen ...

Such a public clarion call certainly makes one wonder what Mr. Trump privately encouraged his advisers to do — and what they actually did — to win the election. While I had deep insight into Russian activities during the 2016 election, I now am aware — thanks to the reporting of an open and free press — of many more of the highly suspicious dalliances of some American citizens with people affiliated with the Russian intelligence services.
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Get that?
As CIA Chief he had deep insight but he didn't know about the good stuff - that happened during his tenure, mind you - until the media reported it.
Either he was a crappy CIA Chief or he's still lying.
Just joking, it's both.
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He sounds a lot like Obama. They both didn't know about the "good stuff" but learned about it from the newspaper. :lamo
Them apples don't fall far from the tree, do they?
 
Linc said:
#45 Has the Ultimate Ace to Grind; time for Pence/Kasich before it’s too Late
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Yeah, that's just what we need. A far right religious Christian for a president and a Democrat VP who thinks he's a Republican. :lol:
 
trixare4kids said:
He sounds a lot like Obama. They both didn't know about the "good stuff" but learned about it from the newspaper. :lamo
Them apples don't fall far from the tree, do they?
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I think once Obama saw Brennan's 1980 Presidential voting record and that he was already in the CIA, he was a shoo-in with Obama.
 
Linc said:
#45 Has the Ultimate Ace to Grind; time for Pence/Kasich before it’s too Late
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Brennan could have easily avoided this by not attacking the president. It isn't rocket science.

I would have suggested Trump do more than just take away his security clearance. Brennan needs to pay....
 
bubbabgone said:
If the media was better at his job than he was, that makes him crappy.
You think the media uncovered something legitimate that the CIA couldn't?
Lying in a Congressional hearing makes him a liar.
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Not sure how you Trumpsters figure that accusing a critic of the President of being a liar is an effective defense when this President is the biggest liar Washington has ever seen. Gotta love irony I guess.
 
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