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Class*canceled after adults threaten 'open hunting seasons' on 12-year-old transgender Oklahoma girl

holbritter said:
Should have been clearer on that. I agree the movement itself doesn't fit what I meant. And you're right. "shoving it down our throats" is being misused. It was a little too dramatic. It would be hypocritical of me not to admit that.

What I'm trying to get across are the people, who can sense someone is uncomfortable with their flamboyancy, will go out of their way to purposely exaggerate it to feed that discomfort. I've run across that quite a bit and got into an argument with one of my friends over it. You want someone to accept you or your lifestyle, then accept that they may be uncomfortable. When they get to know you as a person, they are more receptive, but acting the ass does nothing but confirm the negative perception they may have.
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ahhhh gotcha.... thank you that is a better explanation and again i agree sometimes people, individuals can and will do stuff like that in both directions.

I totally agree with your point if its being done ON PURPOSE that is not the right move from either side

but unfortunatly some people find anything flamboyant they dont like or a person is naturally flamboyant. again that doesnt take away from your valid point at all just saying its a grey area and i would only judge if a person was doing it on purpose. the reason why its tough for me to judge that is because i simply ask myself why should that person have to subdue his natural self (if he is doing it on purpose its not natural though)

i guess what im getting at is i have read people on this board say they shouldn't force it down our throats then give description of PDA .. or wanting to participate in an event everybody else does or pictures at work on a desk or a tv show that has gays in it or like when that football player got drafted he kissed his boyfriend on tv and that sent some people to the moon and back but it was totally ok when other players kissed thier girlfriends or fiances....

the "uncomfortable issue" can absolutely be a valid one but at the same time it can also be something that for lack of a better saying is "to bad so sad get over it" but of course im speaking of stereotypical normal stuff. anything a attractive straight couple does on avg in public a mixed race, mixed religion, gay, transgender or straight UGLY couple should be able to do to ;) not saying you claimed otherwise in anyway just giving an example of what some people loose thier **** over and abuse the saying "shoving it down our throats"
 
lurchadams said:
You missed an important sentence in my post.
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nope im talking about your overall posts in this thread... some of them were very much in blanket form and it cause confusion has proven by the conversation some are having.
 
AGENT J said:
ahhhh gotcha.... thank you that is a better explanation and again i agree sometimes people, individuals can and will do stuff like that in both directions.

I totally agree with your point if its being done ON PURPOSE that is not the right move from either side

but unfortunatly some people find anything flamboyant they dont like or a person is naturally flamboyant. again that doesnt take away from your valid point at all just saying its a grey area and i would only judge if a person was doing it on purpose. the reason why its tough for me to judge that is because i simply ask myself why should that person have to subdue his natural self (if he is doing it on purpose its not natural though)

i guess what im getting at is i have read people on this board say they shouldn't force it down our throats then give description of PDA .. or wanting to participate in an event everybody else does or pictures at work on a desk or a tv show that has gays in it or like when that football player got drafted he kissed his boyfriend on tv and that sent some people to the moon and back but it was totally ok when other players kissed thier girlfriends or fiances....

the "uncomfortable issue" can absolutely be a valid one but at the same time it can also be something that for lack of a better saying is "to bad so sad get over it" but of course im speaking of stereotypical normal stuff. anything a attractive straight couple does on avg in public a mixed race, mixed religion, gay, transgender or straight UGLY couple should be able to do to ;) not saying you claimed otherwise in anyway just giving an example of what some people loose thier **** over and abuse the saying "shoving it down our throats"
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Can't disagree with anything you said in that post. :cheers:
 
AGENT J said:
nope im talking about your overall posts in this thread... some of them were very much in blanket form and it cause confusion has proven by the conversation some are having.
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Yep, I was a little emotional during some of those posts. I'll try to power down on my rhetoric.
 
lurchadams said:
Ok, I promise you the next time I see a person or an organization endorse and/or encourage discrimination against anyone I'll make every effort to try to understand where they're coming from.
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*sigh*
 
lurchadams said:
Yep, I was a little emotional during some of those posts. I'll try to power down on my rhetoric.
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oh its no biggie, that seemed obvious . . and many people can be guilty of it either through emotion or rushing or simply just getting caught up in stating things in a general way but not actually meaning it that way etc etc

its always no biggie when a person can recognize that or has the ability to tone it down, admit it etc etc i was just trying to help by point it out ;)
 
nota bene said:
I hope that someday you are able to see other people as the unique individuals they are rather than only as members of a group.
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That's one of the most sugar-coated piles of **** I've seen in some time. Bravo.

To answer a question I suspect you will have, when you are ready to understand what I mean by the above, you will show it.
 
D_NATURED said:
nota bene said:
Well, it's a ****load less than 38% of evolutionary biologists who believe that god created people less than 10,000 years ago. Thanks for proving my point. Jesus, you guys are so easy.
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Whatever you say...even if you do need to swear and blaspheme to communicate. :roll:
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Phys251 said:
That's one of the most sugar-coated piles of **** I've seen in some time. Bravo.

To answer a question I suspect you will have, when you are ready to understand what I mean by the above, you will show it.
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No, I had no questions.

But okay--what do you think I don't understand about "sugar-coated piles of ****'? What do you think I'm not "ready to understand"?
 
rocket88 said:
I'd agree with not doing anything hormonally. However, I don't see the harm in letting the child discover who they are. If that involves your son becoming your daughter, at least they'll come out of it with a clearer self-image.

I think most of these parents giving out threats would be just as upset if she used the boys bathroom. The bathroom isn't the issue, their unrelenting hate is.
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No it's not that, I am simply speaking from the knowledge that a child should have the ability to grow up naturally. Especially before making a change like this that would fundamentally affect their lives in irreparable ways. I have seen parents who want to raise their babies as transgender babies, do you not think that could possibly cause problems for the child in the future.

Studies have shown that during development, the question of sexuality only comes into full swing during, or after puberty and even then males can manifest said urges more slowly than females. It is both due to environmental and familial factors and in many of these instances. It is the parents that are pushing the child to live out this moment of their lives, which has been becoming far more prominent in the last decade.

My colleagues who deal directly with children like this have been seeing this come up more and more. Where the child is being driven to live as a such because the parent is urging it.

Shame on these parents for verbally attacking the child as they are, but I would rather she live a normal life. Until she is more well adjusted and able to make decisions on her own, without the parents fueling the issue.
 
rocket88 said:
I'd agree with not doing anything hormonally. However, I don't see the harm in letting the child discover who they are. If that involves your son becoming your daughter, at least they'll come out of it with a clearer self-image.

I think most of these parents giving out threats would be just as upset if she used the boys bathroom. The bathroom isn't the issue, their unrelenting hate is.
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No it's not that, I am simply speaking from the knowledge that a child should have the ability to grow up naturally. Especially before making a change like this that would fundamentally affect their lives in irreparable ways. I have seen parents who want to raise their babies as transgender babies, do you not think that could possibly cause problems for the child in the future.

Studies have shown that during development, the question of sexuality only comes into full swing during, or after puberty and even then males can manifest said urges more slowly than females. It is both due to environmental and familial factors and in many of these instances. It is the parents that are pushing the child to live out this moment of their lives, which has been becoming far more prominent in the last decade.

My colleagues who deal directly with children like this have been seeing this come up more and more. Where the child is being driven to live as a such because the parent is urging it.

Shame on these parents for verbally attacking the child as they are, but I would rather she live a normal life. Until she is more well adjusted and able to make decisions on her own, without the parents fueling the issue.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) since the links i went to only showed the hate messages and threats what more sensible parents are you speaking of in this situation, what did they say that was valid?
2.) also what links showed this kid is not well adjusted enough to be around other children unsupervised and is being coddled?
The rest ill leave to the medical professionals and im fine with that.
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They are correct to worry, that a child with an already defined issue could possibly get worse.

The fact that the child is still within the ages that growing people still are learning the basic interactions of the world in a personal measure, not even at large. Such a child who is not well adjusted enough to reality, could possibly pose a severe danger to not only themselves, but those around them.
i.e: Self mutilation, or exhibiting severe anti-social tendencies.

Hiding the child away from the other children at this point, is doing far more bad than good and that is my professional opinion at this point.
 
Renae said:
If someone is Trans, referring to them by their biological sex is, just sad. However we only have the outrage side of the story and not a clear picture of everything that is going on with this story, not that I can think of anything that could excuse the adults behavior.
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I realize this is a can o' worms but...

Is the boy, a boy? Why yes he is. Its unfortunate, IMO, that some people are born with a deviation from sexual norms. But to pick on a kid who is trying to wade his way through the confusion of growing up, let alone having to deal with a sexually abnormal sense of self, is really quite mean and deplorable.

This gender identity thing is quite beyond me. But to do what these hicks did is just a little over the top.
 
nota bene said:
D_NATURED said:
Whatever you say...even if you do need to swear and blaspheme to communicate. :roll:
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Blasphemy is the stupidest of all accusations. The "swear" was modified to protect your delicate sensibilities. It never fails to surprise me that in a world full of war and rape and poverty that you guys complain about words. What a joke.
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Oborosen said:
1.)They are correct to worry, that a child with an already defined issue could possibly get worse.
2.)The fact that the child is still within the ages that growing people still are learning the basic interactions of the world in a personal measure, not even at large. Such a child who is not well adjusted enough to reality, could possibly pose a severe danger to not only themselves, but those around them.
3.) i.e: Self mutilation, or exhibiting severe anti-social tendencies.
4.)Hiding the child away from the other children at this point, is doing far more bad than good and that is my professional opinion at this point.
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1.) again what link shows she has an issue that could get worse that other parents need to be concerned about. All i saw were threats and hate, what links shows concerns?
2.) again what link and doctors say this about this girl?
3.) sounds like a lot of youths, again why is this girl being singled out
4.) hiding?

ill ask my other questions again since you didnt provide answers: thanks
since the links i went to only showed the hate messages and threats what more sensible parents are you speaking of in this situation, what did they say that was valid?
also what links showed this kid is not well adjusted enough to be around other children unsupervised and is being coddled?
 
D_NATURED said:
Blasphemy is the stupidest of all accusations. The "swear" was modified to protect your delicate sensibilities. It never fails to surprise me that in a world full of war and rape and poverty that you guys complain about words. What a joke.
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Blasphemy is what it is.

My sensibilities need no "protection." You wouldn't believe some of the stuff I read here at DP. But I find gratuitous vulgarity sad, and however much one may flatter him or herself, it's not a demonstration of "verbal fluency." In fact, I'd say that when writing--when one controls everything--there is more art in finding a way to express your disdain without relying on filler f-bombs and such.

I do love a good joke, though. Thank you for the bathos of "a world full of war and rape and poverty" and the suggestion that because there are far more important issues than language choices, it's not possible or just to also comment on these. In, sob, "a world full of war and rape and poverty," I'm having lunch with friends, and if the food or service is bad, why I just may comment on this too. :lol:
 
nota bene said:
Blasphemy is what it is.

My sensibilities need no "protection." You wouldn't believe some of the stuff I read here at DP. But I find gratuitous vulgarity sad, and however much one may flatter him or herself, it's not a demonstration of "verbal fluency." In fact, I'd say that when writing--when one controls everything--there is more art in finding a way to express your disdain without relying on filler f-bombs and such.

I do love a good joke, though. Thank you for the bathos of "a world full of war and rape and poverty" and the suggestion that because there are far more important issues than language choices, it's not possible or just to also comment on these. In, sob, "a world full of war and rape and poverty," I'm having lunch with friends, and if the food or service is bad, why I just may comment on this too. :lol:
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How can you joke about war and rape and poverty while maintaining a prudishness about the "F" word? It's that kind of **** that makes me think the religious have no foundation in reality. There really are many worse things than people making sounds that your kind have arbitrarily interpreted as offensive. The actual meaning of the word rape is a thousand times more offensive to good people than the meaning of the word ****. Yet, I can type rape or war or poverty with none of those words being automatically stricken from my post. Why is that?

These are the kinds of inconsistencies that are taken for granted by many people. I have a theory, though, for why words referring to consensual sex are taboo but the word rape isn't. I think it's because the religions which controlled everyone for so long don't think women who are raped are sinners but those who willingly have sex are. Therefore, just as the religious, or 38% according to your numbers, reject the reality of evolution, many religious people reject the obvious harm differential between rape and mere fornication for equally magical reasons.

Clearly, with faith comes an entitlement to be tenaciously wrong or apathetic while judging others according to a magical standard. I'm glad if you're not a young earth creationist. However, you still seem to suffer not just from a religious hyper sensitivity to vulgarity, but, as you make light of rape, war and poverty you demonstrate that those ideas are filtered out of your compassion circuitry by faith.

What good is a moral code that is utterly imaginary? No wonder so much of what is done in God's name is contrary to common sense. God doesn't have to comply with empirical reality and, as such, he's authorized his followers to reject it. The result is, if we ever agree on anything it'll be a miracle.
 
rocket88 said:
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/lgb...ults-threaten-12-year-old-transgender-student

The adults took to a private Facebook group for parents at Achille Independent*School District to write their threats, spurred by an angry post*from*a mother who found out about Maddie's bathroom use. There, behind the relative*safety of a social media account, they urged their children to beat their classmate and lobbed crude names at her.

Damn liberals, am I right?
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Opening hunting season, that sounds so redneck.
 
holbritter said:
Should have been clearer on that. I agree the movement itself doesn't fit what I meant. And you're right. "shoving it down our throats" is being misused. It was a little too dramatic. It would be hypocritical of me not to admit that.

What I'm trying to get across are the people, who can sense someone is uncomfortable with their flamboyancy, will go out of their way to purposely exaggerate it to feed that discomfort. I've run across that quite a bit and got into an argument with one of my friends over it. You want someone to accept you or your lifestyle, then accept that they may be uncomfortable. When they get to know you as a person, they are more receptive, but acting the ass does nothing but confirm the negative perception they may have.
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Maybe you can't and shouldn't be friends with the person... :shrug:

I worked in a hair salon with a gay guy for a while, and one of his client's really called him out in front of everybody. She said she liked how he did her hair, but didn't like hearing him talk about being gay. She insisted he stopped talking about his homosexuality around her. He made her uncomfortable, and then she made him uncomfortable.

Time to get a new hair stylist, lady.

I don't have any gay friends, and I don't like flamboyant gay men either. But, again, I don't try to be their friend. Laying down rules of engagement like that lady in the salon did, is not having a gay friend or being comfortable with having a gay hair stylist. Just be honest with yourself.
 
SheWolf said:
Maybe you can't and shouldn't be friends with the person... :shrug:

I worked in a hair salon with a gay guy for a while, and one of his client's really called him out in front of everybody. She said she liked how he did her hair, but didn't like hearing him talk about being gay. She insisted he stopped talking about his homosexuality around her. He made her uncomfortable, and then she made him uncomfortable.

Time to get a new hair stylist, lady.

I don't have any gay friends, and I don't like flamboyant gay men either. But, again, I don't try to be their friend. Laying down rules of engagement like that lady in the salon did, is not having a gay friend or being comfortable with having a gay hair stylist. Just be honest with yourself.
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No, you misunderstand, or I wasn't clear enough. I'm not uncomfortable with his flamboyance. If we were hanging out with other people and he noticed one was uncomfortable, he would purposely ramp it up. I argued with him about doing that to other people, not me. He doesn't do it much anymore, so maybe he agreed with me.
 
holbritter said:
No, you misunderstand, or I wasn't clear enough. I'm not uncomfortable with his flamboyance. If we were hanging out with other people and he noticed one was uncomfortable, he would purposely ramp it up. I argued with him about doing that to other people, not me. He doesn't do it much anymore, so maybe he agreed with me.
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If he were you friend, why would you argue with him about that? They were obviously uncomfortable with his sexuality, not just the flamboyance.
 
holbritter said:
He doesn't do it much anymore, so maybe he agreed with me.
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Maybe you didn't know what was best for him at that point in his life. Maybe things changed.
 
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