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Grand jury accuses more than 300 Pennsylvania clergy of abuse

Glad I am a atheist. We are willing to toss our fellow atheist under the bus.
 
Linc said:
This Pauper Pope, under siege from the Religious Wrong, begs to differ with your ‘The RCC Inc.’ Moronic Nonsense.
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If you are unable to tell the difference between "doctrine" and "corporate policy" then I'm much afraid that I cannot assist you further.

On the other hand, I'd be absolutely delighted if you could refer me to the reasons why "The RCC Inc." has been spending so much time and money (and creating totally unwarranted hardships for the victims) covering up for Priests who violate "the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church".

Just so that you aren't further confused, I don't have any more issues with the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church (as long as those doctrines only apply to devotees of the Roman Catholic Church) than I do with the doctrines of Islam (as long as those doctrines only apply to devotees of Islam) or even than I do with the doctrines of "The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster" (as long as those doctrines only apply to devotees of "The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster").
 
Linc said:
And those states are all creepy Red states of incest.
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Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, and Texas.

Your call.
 
americanwoman said:
This is sickening. As I said on another thread, I don't understand anyone who supports the catholic church since this has been exposed.
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I have never been a fan of the catholic church or their theology.
This is and has always been a massive problem for the church itself.

these guys should be charged this is not an internal church matter.
as they always seem to write it off as.

what is more disturbing is that the vatican refuses to do anything about it.
they should be by their own law ex-communicating these people. instead they
move them around from church to church.
 
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TU Curmudgeon said:
If you are unable to tell the difference between "doctrine" and "corporate policy" then I'm much afraid that I cannot assist you further.

On the other hand, I'd be absolutely delighted if you could refer me to the reasons why "The RCC Inc." has been spending so much time and money (and creating totally unwarranted hardships for the victims) covering up for Priests who violate "the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church".

Just so that you aren't further confused, I don't have any more issues with the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church (as long as those doctrines only apply to devotees of the Roman Catholic Church) than I do with the doctrines of Islam (as long as those doctrines only apply to devotees of Islam) or even than I do with the doctrines of "The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster" (as long as those doctrines only apply to devotees of "The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster").
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I am NOT the one confused here as you are. Nor am I the One Sewing Division within the RCC. You are. I’m done with you here.
 
ludin said:
I have never been a fan of the catholic church or their theology.
This is and has always been a massive problem for the church itself.

these guys should be charged this is not an internal church matter.
as they always seem to write it off as.
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The Nazis, KKKs, and Fundamentalists of this GOP White Nationalist Party have hated, persecuted and murdered Roman Catholics, as well as Jews, Minorities, and Native Americans, since the beginning of this Bastardized Nation.
 
Linc said:
The Nazis, KKKs, and Fundamentalists of this GOP White Nationalist Party have hated, persecuted and murdered Roman Catholics, as well as Jews, Minorities, and Native Americans, since the beginning of this Bastardized Nation.
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nothing to do with what i posted. since you are incapable of an actual response have a nice day.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
I make a real effort to keep "the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church" and "The RCC Inc." separated in my mind.

There is nothing whatsoever in "the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church" which supports this type of behaviour (and MUCH that condemns it).

However, as a revenue producing organization, "The RCC Inc." has absolutely nothing against doing whatever is necessary to maintain (and increase) its positive cash flow, so one would expect exactly this type of behaviour from "The RCC Inc.".
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I was an altar boy in the RCC for quite a few years, all in one parish. Never once was I molested. I last served mass at age 21.

That said, it is unnatural to demand celibacy from young males, or females for that matter. It is unnatural and irrational, it invites such behavior as we see here.

This indictment reinforces the facts and evidence shown in the movie Spotlight a few years back.

The conspiracy of silence of so many people, including lay people in positions such as mayors and prosecutors, shows how humans CAN keep a dirty secret. It's a pity, but until the church makes profound changes, as others such as Episcopalians who allow their priests to marry, not much will change.
 
gulfman said:
I muslim countries a girl can marry at the age of puberty
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Which would be older than nine years old. But who's counting? Certainly not you.
 
It things like this that have Satan shuffling papers in hell, complaining that he has no way of file, or process it.
 
Atomic Kid said:
Which would be older than nine years old. But who's counting? Certainly not you.
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The age of marriage countries like that varies from 9 to 11. With Iran being the lowest and some areas in Sudan being 10-11, whereas 10 is the average and yes. Consummation is expected and to be observed by relative (clergy) in most situations.
 
Oborosen said:
The age of marriage countries like that varies from 9 to 11. With Iran being the lowest and some areas in Sudan being 10-11, whereas 10 is the average and yes. Consummation is expected and to be observed by relative (clergy) in most situations.
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And yet we have the same kind of laws in the good ol' US of A that allows for at the very least, the very same thing, as these other 'less civilized' Islamic countries allow that you're citing. Gee, wonder where it is you're coming from.
 
gulfman said:
This is why liberals need to present a bill that lowers the age of consent to age 6
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Whah? How are liberals involved in all this? Were all the abusers liberal priests?
 
Nickyjo said:
Whah? How are liberals involved in all this? Were all the abusers liberal priests?
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Where is Christian right's moral outrage in face of the enormity of the offenses committed in Pennsylvania that were swept under the rug and suppressed for so long by the church that these many hundreds of victims of this abhorrent criminal abuse no longer have any legal recourse for them to be able to get justice they deserve?
 
Atomic Kid said:
And yet we have the same kind of laws in the good ol' US of A that allows for at the very least, the very same thing, as these other 'less civilized' Islamic countries allow that you're citing. Gee, wonder where it is you're coming from.
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Tell me of a state in the US that has a law, stating that an adult male can marry a 9-11 year old and even be allowed to consummate the marriage?

Because as of now, not even 20 states have no set limit for the age of marriage, yet they damn well have laws against sex with a minor.
 
Oborosen said:
Tell me of a state in the US that has a law, stating that an adult male can marry a 9-11 year old and even be allowed to consummate the marriage?
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Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, and Texas all do.

Oborosen said:
Because as of now, not even 20 states have no set limit for the age of marriage, yet they damn well have laws against sex with a minor.
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But not if you are married to the minor because then the minor is "emancipated" and able to give legal consent.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, and Texas all do.



But not if you are married to the minor because then the minor is "emancipated" and able to give legal consent.
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It's still ruled as an "emancipated minor" they are able to live alone and make decisions so long as they don't impact upon help law.

But still, it's fine. You managed to dig up something that despite how obscure it is, might actually have a chance of happening. Especially given probability and all the systems that it exhibits.

I'll still wait on the verdict if consummation is still legal, if you're able to find it.
 
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Oborosen said:
It's still ruled as an "emancipated minor" they are able to live alone and make decisions so long as they don't impact upon help law.

But still, it's fine. You managed to dig up something that despite how obscure it is, might actually have a chance of happening. Especially given probability and all the systems that it exhibits.

I'll still wait on the verdict if consummation is still legal, if you're able to find it.
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"Sex with a minor" is deemed to be a "statutory offence" because a "minor" is deemed unable to consent. Once "emancipated" that person (regardless of age) is deemed able to give a valid consent. "She consented." isn't a defence against a charge of "statutory rape" involving a non-emancipated "minor". "She consented." IS a defence against a charge of "statutory rape" involving an emancipated "minor".

PS - "You managed to dig up something that despite how obscure it is" is a pretty weak rebuttal to actual proof that your statement was completely wrong (to say nothing whatsoever about being incredibly culturally biased and uninformed as to the actual laws of the United States of America).
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
"Sex with a minor" is deemed to be a "statutory offence" because a "minor" is deemed unable to consent. Once "emancipated" that person (regardless of age) is deemed able to give a valid consent. "She consented." isn't a defence against a charge of "statutory rape" involving a non-emancipated "minor". "She consented." IS a defence against a charge of "statutory rape" involving an emancipated "minor".

PS - "You managed to dig up something that despite how obscure it is" is a pretty weak rebuttal to actual proof that your statement was completely wrong (to say nothing whatsoever about being incredibly culturally biased and uninformed as to the actual laws of the United States of America).
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No, for all intensive purposes. The emancipated minor, is still not of legal age for such an act and will be prosecuted. Especially if we go digging thought the different states.

Because California has the legal age set for 18 emancipated, or not. The only way to subvert this is by getting married and even then the possibly of statutory rape is possibly.

Georgia's is currently 16, as well as my state of Alabama. The same ruling from California applies. Emancipation is possible, but so is the possibility of statutory rape.
 
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