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Man who shot father in Florida 'stand your ground' killing charged with manslaughter[W:751]

Re: Man who shot father in Florida 'stand your ground' killing charged with manslaughter

Excon said:
That is one deluded opinion you have there.
Try proving systemic racism exists.
You can't do it.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4133127/

When reality doesn't agree with your insane positions, claim reality doesn't exist.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
 
Re: Man who shot father in Florida 'stand your ground' killing charged with manslaughter

Hatuey said:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4133127/

When reality doesn't agree with your insane positions, claim reality doesn't exist.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
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Structural racism and myocardial infarction in the United States​
Really? :lamo Hilarious.

There is no systemic racism in this country and that study doesn't prove it. Try again.
 
Re: Man who shot father in Florida 'stand your ground' killing charged with manslaughter

Excon said:
Structural racism and myocardial infarction in the United States​
Really? :lamo Hilarious.

There is no systemic racism in this country and that study doesn't prove it. Try again.
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This example is to show you that people who have no interest in looking for racism, and are in an entirely different field, still see signs of it in the hard sciences, while you claim it doesn't exist. Read some more stuff on the internet, buddy.
 
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Excon said:
:lamo Racist birther movement?
iLOL
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Um, yeah. Trump has a long and well documented history of racist behavior. Being the leader of the racist birther movement was just one aspect of it.

That racism was one of the main reasons Trump supporters voted for him. I provided links to research in prestigious peer reviewed journals.

Research Finds That Racism, Sexism, and Status Fears Drove Trump Voters

Instead of laughing, why not show how are they wrong? If they're a joke, it shouldn't take you more than a minute or two to refute them. Have at 'er!

To suggest it was about race instead of it being about not wanting the opposition party is absurdity.
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Great. Please provide the evidence that it is absurdity. As I pointed out, in a country as racist as the USA, when interracial violence occurs, racism is something that must be examined.


It was about elitism, not race like you are trying to make it out to be.
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From reading your post, I think you are having difficulty understanding what I wrote. I never said this was a racist attack, I said in a country as racist as the USA, when interracial violence occurs, racism is something that must be examined.

Could you please go back and reread my post until you understand what I wrote? Thank you.
 
Re: Man who shot father in Florida 'stand your ground' killing charged with manslaughter

Excon said:
That is one deluded opinion you have there.
Try proving systemic racism exists.
You can't do it.
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Come on. That is just flat out racist rhetoric. What is this, a klan rally?
 
Re: Man who shot father in Florida 'stand your ground' killing charged with manslaughter

Excon said:
They are.



That is not an over-ruling.
That is a prosecutor exercising their particular powers under the law, which is separate from the Sheriff's.

To the underlined.
Where did the prosecutor say it did not fit within the bookends? Simply charging him does not mean that the evidence does not fit within the bookends. The charges are predicated on what a Prosecutor believes they can prove. Which is exactly what they said. McCabe said Monday that his office "reviewed everything, and we filed the charge we think we can prove."

And here is the Sheriff explaining why he couldn't arrest. (From above link)
The sheriff said Monday that he supports McCabe’s decision. He reiterated that in order to make an arrest, the facts would have to clearly show stand your ground doesn’t apply, which he said wasn’t the case here. Otherwise, Drejka would have been in custody while prosecutors considered whether they could meet the burden established under the law.

That differs from a normal arrest in which law enforcement officers "establish if we have the elements of a crime without considering the defenses," said the sheriff, who is also a lawyer.

"There’s no other provision in Florida law that says we have to consider these defenses," he said.​



The Sheriff couldn't arrest because evidence exists that clearly puts it in the "bookends" of SYG.

The Prosecutor than reviews the case and makes a decision based on what they think they can prove. In this case they believe they can prove it to be a case of manslaughter.
Which then allows the suspect to be arrested.

You simply have no clue as to what you speak.
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You continue your misguided statements.

The state attorney charging Drejka is BOTH him exercising his authority, AND him overruling the sheriff. The sheriff failed to arrest Drejka thinking he was within the bounds of SYG, and the state attorney charged him with manslaughter because he did NOT think he was within the bounds of stand your ground. Your statement that Drejka was within the bounds carries no weight whatsoever; he has been charged with manslaughter, meaning the state attorney clearly believes by looking at the video, that Drejka was outside the bounds of SYG.

If the state attorney thinks he can PROVE manslaughter, then clearly he does not believe Drejka would prevail at trial based on SYG, or he would not have charged him with manslaughter.

If this goes to trial, Drejka has a chance to win his case, but I don't think he will, and neither does the state attorney who filed the manslaughter charge.

I think the state attorney has taken the most reasonable course based on the video evidence and will prevail if it goes to trial.
 
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finebead said:
You continue your misguided statements.
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LOL Says you, the one who is misguided and ignorant of what they speak.


finebead said:
The state attorney charging Drejka is BOTH him exercising his authority, AND him overruling the sheriff.
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As wrong as you are ignorant of what you speak, as usual.
That is not an over-ruling.
The DA is in no position to over-rule the Sheriff.
Their jobs are separate and distinct and neither can over-rule the other.
You simply know not of what you speak.


finebead said:
The sheriff failed to arrest Drejka thinking he was within the bounds of SYG, and the state attorney charged him with manslaughter because he did NOT think he was within the bounds of stand your ground. Your statement that Drejka was within the bounds carries no weight whatsoever; he has been charged with manslaughter, meaning the state attorney clearly believes by looking at the video, that Drejka was outside the bounds of SYG.
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No. You do not understand the law as written or the Sheriff's duties under the law. Sheriffs to not operate on what they think they can prove or can be proven like a prosecutor does, they have to operate on probable cause. The Sheriff had no probable cause to arrest, because his stated fear does fit with-in the book-ends of the laws requirements.
First you have to refer to 776.012 §2.
A person is justified in using deadly force if they "reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony."​

Being slammed to the ground as he was would caused anyone to have the required reasonable belief, which Drejka related to the Law Enforcement agency.


Then you have to refer to 776.032 §2 -
A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use or threatened use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using or threatening to use force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used or threatened was unlawful.​


It is truly sad that you clearly do not understand and are willing to argue that which you know not.



finebead said:
If the state attorney thinks he can PROVE manslaughter, then clearly he does not believe Drejka would prevail at trial based on SYG, or he would not have charged him with manslaughter.
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Oy vey!
Angela Corey thought she could prove Zimmerman guilty of second-degree murder and yet she didn't.
Most reasonable people knew she couldn't, yet she charged him anyways.
So spare me the nonsense of how you think a prosecutor makes decisions. They make that decision, not the Sheriff, and it is not an over-ruling of the Sheriff as it is a totally different process.
 
Re: Man who shot father in Florida 'stand your ground' killing charged with manslaughter

biglawnmower said:
the shooting is awful...lets all agree.

can we stop listing the race of people? fox news doesnt report every black person that shoots a black person in chicago every 30 seconds.

the liberal media needs to stop this race card crap.

crime is a crime. unless it was intentionally to commit based on race.....then race has nothing to do with it.
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You might want to spend some time learning the history of the USA. Race has played a large part in said history since before 1776, and still plays a role today.
 
Re: Man who shot father in Florida 'stand your ground' killing charged with manslaughter

Hatuey said:
This example is to show you that people who have no interest in looking for racism, and are in an entirely different field, still see signs of it in the hard sciences, while you claim it doesn't exist. Read some more stuff on the internet, buddy.
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:lamo
That is not what your example showed. Had you bothered to at least read the abstract of what you provided you would have known that.
They were specifically looking for a racial component just as the studies they cite were.

As I stated; There is no systemic racism in this country and that study doesn't prove it. Try again.




JustHanging said:
Um, yeah. Trump has a long and well documented history of racist behavior. Being the leader of the racist birther movement was just one aspect of it.
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Wrong on all counts.
Trump has no such history. All there is is a history of unsupported allegations
The birther movement was political, not racist, and was started by a Hillary supporter.


JustHanging said:
That racism was one of the main reasons Trump supporters voted for him.
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:lamo That is a belief, not fact.


JustHanging said:
I provided links to research in prestigious peer reviewed journals.
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None of which you can show are true or accurate.


JustHanging said:
Instead of laughing, why not show how are they wrong? If they're a joke, it shouldn't take you more than a minute or two to refute them. Have at 'er!
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iLOL Doesn't work that way.
The onus is on you to support them by showing they are true and accurate. The fact is that you can not do that an instead run around the forum posting that link yet fail to establish it's accuracy or any validity.


JustHanging said:
in a country as racist as the USA,
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iLOL Keep believing that and it will get you nowhere... fast.


JustHanging said:
It was about elitism, not race like you are trying to make it out to be.
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From reading your post, I think you are having difficulty understanding what I wrote. I never said this was a racist attack, I said in a country as racist as the USA, when interracial violence occurs, racism is something that must be examined.

Could you please go back and reread my post until you understand what I wrote? Thank you.
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Clearly you are confused as to what you said and to what you said it in reply. You certainly insinuated that attacking Obama over mustard was racially based when it was not.




ecofarm said:
Come on. That is just flat out racist rhetoric. What is this, a klan rally?
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Wrong as usual ecofarm.
You can't do it either.
 
Re: Man who shot father in Florida 'stand your ground' killing charged with manslaughter

MOTION TO WITHDRAW AS COUNSEL
COMES NOW, Counsel for the Defendant, Lysa Clifton, Esq., files this Motion to
Withdraw as Counsel in the above-styled cause, and hereby moves this Honorable Court to allow
the Defendant’s attorney, Lysa Clifton, Esq., to withdraw as counsel of record, and in support
thereof states:
1. The Defendant retained the undersigned counsel on August 14, 2018 for
manslaughter.
2. The Defendant was bonded out of jail on September 24, 2018.
3. There are irreconcilable differences between the undersigned counsel and the
Defendant.
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Duly noted, Drejka bonded out on September 24th.

The least experienced of his three attorneys also bailed out of the case.
 
Re: Man who shot father in Florida 'stand your ground' killing charged with manslaughter

SO glad they charged this loon!
I hope they throw the book at him...

what makes it even worse he lied in his interview with police:

"Drejka claims the shooting was self-defense. According to a transcript of his interview with Pinellas County Sheriff's detectives, he said that if McGlockton had retreated, or even stayed still, he wouldn't have used his gun."
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well video proves he is a liar now too. The guy he shot took like 5-6 steps backwards and was turning away..... this dude should go down. of course it will be up to the jury but again with all the info we have theres no real logical based or legality based reason not to convict this dude.
 
Re: Man who shot father in Florida 'stand your ground' killing charged with manslaughter

biglawnmower said:
the shooting is awful...lets all agree.

can we stop listing the race of people? fox news doesnt report every black person that shoots a black person in chicago every 30 seconds.

the liberal media needs to stop this race card crap.

crime is a crime. unless it was intentionally to commit based on race.....then race has nothing to do with it.
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I know, right?

The way the local nightly news reports the daily car jackings, drive-by's and other common place violent crimes that take place on a daily basis, not far from MLK Blvd., one would think that black folks are causing a problem in our society.

We are supposed to pretend not to notice these violent crimes are disproportionally committed by black folks. We don't want to be called racist, right? It's the 500 pound gorilla in the room that "decent" people are not suppose to discuss.
 
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Captain America said:
I know, right?

The way the local nightly news reports the daily car jackings, drive-by's and other common place violent crimes that take place on a daily basis, not far from MLK Blvd., one would think that black folks are causing a problem in our society.

We are supposed to pretend not to notice these violent crimes are disproportionally committed by black folks. We don't want to be called racist, right? It's the 500 pound gorilla in the room that "decent" people are not suppose to discuss.
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must be somethign in the cheese in Wisconsin, wanna dial it down a notch and talk about the topic please, thanks LMAO
 
Re: Man who shot father in Florida 'stand your ground' killing charged with manslaughter

tac138777 said:
Man in the OP was wrong. But turning this into a matter of race is political suicide. In case you haven’t noticed, Michael brown and Zimmerman both involved lots of lies coming from the left and the black community. Including edited audio to stir up race emotions. That is why nobody listens anymore. Boy who cried wolf.
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Zimmerman and Martin - both minorities.
 
Re: Man who shot father in Florida 'stand your ground' killing charged with manslaughter

calamity said:
It's probably more a case of whites saying they were attacked by the black that they just shot to death, and them now getting away with it due to SYG.

Or, as is the case with the man in the op, a white dude who starts a fight with POC but can only finish it with a gun. You know, like George Zimmermann.
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George Zimmerman is a white exactly like President Obama is white.
 
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