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Trump OKs stiffer tariffs on Turkey as lira plummets

TU Curmudgeon

TU Curmudgeon

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From the United Press International

Trump OKs stiffer tariffs on Turkey as lira plummets
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Aug. 10 (UPI) -- President Donald Trump announced tariff increases on Turkish metals as tensions between Turkey and the United States escalated.

Trump said Friday on Twitter that he authorized a new 20 percent tariff on aluminum and 50 percent tariff on steel from Turkey. It came as a Turkish delegation returned from the United States, reporting no progress on negotiations involving a U.S. pastor imprisoned in Turkey.

Andrew Brunson has been in Turkish custody since 2016, when he was arrested on charges of terrorism and support of a group held responsible for an attempted coup of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. U.S. President Donald Trump introduced a round of sanctions on Aug. 1, preventing the Turkish justice an interior ministries from doing business with U.S. businesses. Trump also threatened additional "large sanctions" against Turkey, a NATO ally, for Brunson's detention.

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Obviously when another country arrests an American who is in that country and charges them with committing offences against the laws of that country while proposing to try them on those charges in the courts of that country pursuant to the constitution of that country this creates a "National Security Concern" which allows the President to unilaterally impose penalties on that country in order to force that other country to admit that it has no jurisdiction over ANY American at any time and regardless of what the laws of the country are. After all, it isn't against the laws of the United States of America for an American who isn't in the United States of America to "conspire" to overthrow the government of a country PROVIDED that that country is NOT the United States of America.

Right?
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TU Curmudgeon said:
Obviously when another country arrests an American who is in that country and charges them with committing offences against the laws of that country while proposing to try them on those charges in the courts of that country pursuant to the constitution of that country this creates a "National Security Concern" which allows the President to unilaterally impose penalties on that country in order to force that other country to admit that it has no jurisdiction over ANY American at any time and regardless of what the laws of the country are.
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In clear violation of human rights. It was German law that allowed them to exterminate people, does not stop it form violating human rights and being wrong.
 
I've given up on anything reasonable now, Turkey has made a choice and seemingly they have to live with the consequence.

However, this does put more onus on Saudi Arabia as an ally for us for all our operations in the region. Sucks but it is true that this spat with Turkey has a strategic impact for us given our incessant need to bomb the **** out of something in that area of the world.
 
Carjosse said:
In clear violation of human rights. It was German law that allowed them to exterminate people, does not stop it form violating human rights and being wrong.
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I'm sorry, we are talking about "law" here and it is illegal under Turkish law, to conspire (in Turkey or elsewhere), to overthrow the Turkish government and, as such, it is therefore legal for the Turkish government to arrest any person in Turkey who is charged with conspiring to overthrow the Turkish government.

I suppose that it might possibly be a minor violation of human rights to jail someone, keeping them incommunicado, in a secret jail, where they are tortured, based on unsubstantiated accusations levelled by persons of unknown reliability but who held a personal animus against the (now) prisoner, and then to justify their continued incarceration on the grounds that the way that they had been treated had "radicalized" them and that they were NOW a "danger to the detaining country - but, of course, the US government would never have anything whatsoever to do with anything like that - would it?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
I'm sorry, we are talking about "law" here and it is illegal under Turkish law, to conspire (in Turkey or elsewhere), to overthrow the Turkish government and, as such, it is therefore legal for the Turkish government to arrest any person in Turkey who is charged with conspiring to overthrow the Turkish government.

I suppose that it might possibly be a minor violation of human rights to jail someone, keeping them incommunicado, in a secret jail, where they are tortured, based on unsubstantiated accusations levelled by persons of unknown reliability but who held a personal animus against the (now) prisoner, and then to justify their continued incarceration on the grounds that the way that they had been treated had "radicalized" them and that they were NOW a "danger to the detaining country - but, of course, the US government would never have anything whatsoever to do with anything like that - would it?
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Conspiring to overthrow means anyone who will possibly criticize the government. They are arresting him primarily for his religion.
 
OrphanSlug said:
I've given up on anything reasonable now, Turkey has made a choice and seemingly they have to live with the consequence.

However, this does put more onus on Saudi Arabia as an ally for us for all our operations in the region.
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For "onus on Saudi ARabia as an ally for us for all our operations in the region" read "Dear Sir, due to increased demand we find that we must increase your monthly payment for our "Rent-A-Friend" program by a small amount. We aren't sure how much that amount will actually be, but you are a long-term and valued client so we are offering you this ONE TIME ONLY DEAL of fixing your monthly payments as ONLY 200% of what they were last month. Thank you and we hope that you will continue doing business with us as we only have so much product available and other countries have standing offers to take any stock which might suddenly become available."

OrphanSlug said:
Sucks but it is true that this spat with Turkey has a strategic impact for us given our incessant need to bomb the **** out of something in that area of the world.
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I think that the thinking in the White House is along the lines of "Who gives a flying fig about a bunch of non-Christian, non-Americans?!?!? If we can rescue one single Christian American then it doesn't matter if the whole of the Middle East turns against the US because the US is the biggest military power in the world and can bomb the Middle East back to the 'Sand Age'."
 
Carjosse said:
Conspiring to overthrow means anyone who will possibly criticize the government.
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Quite possibly it does - under Turkish law.

Carjosse said:
They are arresting him primarily for his religion.
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More than 320,000 people of different Christian denominations live in Turkey. There are ethnic Turks who never converted to Islam. There are 236 churches open for worship in Turkey. The Eastern Orthodox Church has been headquartered in Constantinople since the 4th century.

You might note that Article 219 of the Turkish penal code prohibits imams, priests, rabbis and other religious leaders (emphasis added) from "reproaching or vilifying" the government or the laws of the state while performing their duties with potential imprisonment of from one month to 12 months (increased to 3 to 24 months if they were actually inciting others to commit breaches of Turkish law).
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Quite possibly it does - under Turkish law.



More than 320,000 people of different Christian denominations live in Turkey. There are ethnic Turks who never converted to Islam. There are 236 churches open for worship in Turkey. The Eastern Orthodox Church has been headquartered in Constantinople since the 4th century.

You might note that Article 219 of the Turkish penal code prohibits imams, priests, rabbis and other religious leaders (emphasis added) from "reproaching or vilifying" the government or the laws of the state while performing their duties with potential imprisonment of from one month to 12 months (increased to 3 to 24 months if they were actually inciting others to commit breaches of Turkish law).
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He is not the only religious person to be arrested, religious persecution has been become a topic of discussion in Turkey as the country is now ruled by Islamists. They only case they claim to have is his connections to an Imam, which none can any find any evidence for except the Turkish government claiming there are witnesses. Why he would he have links to an Islamic imam and his uspporters? He is a purely political target, and his religion probably played a role in it. Why should we support other countries arresting people for either their political or religious beliefs?
 
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