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House Republicans introduce articles of impeachment against Rod Rosenstein

Mycroft said:
No, I won't admit that...even if "everybody" knows it.

I think it would be a bad move politically and Trump won't make that move.
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Agreed.

But if they get to Rosenstein, they will squeeze Mueller and dry-up his resources.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Good question. Answer? Fired.

If he broke the law then he can be prosecuted in court, not politically in an impeachment. Impeachment should reserved for elected officials or judicial officials that have a lifetime appointment.

Rosentein can be fired and if he broke the law and obstructed an investigation he can be indicted, tried, convicted, and sentenced in a court of law.
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And like the president congress has the power to impeach him if they choose to do so.

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Chomsky said:
Agreed.

But if they get to Rosenstein, they will squeeze Mueller and dry-up his resources.
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If Congress wants to dry up his resources they cut off his money. They done need to remove rosenstein for that

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Beaudreaux said:
Mark Meadows is an embarrassment to the state of NC.

I think Rosenstein has made numerous firing level actions, but none deserving impeachment. He is in a political appointed position. He is not in a career PFT position. He serves at the pleasure of the President and can be shown the door at any time for any reason or for no reason at all. If he’s fired, he can be re-employed by the government and he doesn’t lose his retirement.

If hes impeached and convicted he loses everything and can never be hired by the government. If he’s not convicted but is still impeached he won’t be able to hold a clearance or even be a government contractor and would more than likely be disbarred as an attorney as Clinton was and as Judges are that are impeached.

He doesn’t deserve that.

Regardless, it takes a two-thirds vote in the Senate to convict and remove him from office - that ain’t possible.

So, like I said, Mark Meadows is an embarrassment to the state of NC. That’s coming from a lifelong Republican.

I don’t think the GOP will let this come to a vote. They damned sure better not.
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To the bolded:

You generally know more about these issues than I, but I'm not so sure of the bolded. Clinton lost his law license as a separate state-level process due to his perjury testimony.

My understanding is impeachment is essentially the bringing of charges, not the conviction. Are you saying the bringing of impeachment articles alone will preclude security clearance or government employment?
 
Beaudreaux said:
Of course they have the power. That doesn’t mean that they will, or that they should.
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Agreed I'm not saying I agree with them on this. I'm actually very uncomfortable with them doing this.

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bearpoker said:
The move he won't make is to fire Rosenstein. He got burned in the Comey firing already, so he wants somebody else to get rid of Rosy for him.
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Yep. And Nunes and his band of Merry Pranksters would love to do the job!
 
OscarLevant said:
Speaker Ryan though he's a spineless wimp he's not stupid the political implications of impeaching Rosenstein will just backfire in November and he knows it no way is this going to be put to the floor no way
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Yep, agreed.

I have no idea what's going-on, but suspect it's the Freedom Caucus/Trump Wing panicking before the likely change of the House occurs in November.
 
Linc said:
Since when do presidents initiate impeachments of people HE appointed?

Don’t you think it should be the other way around, gops saving their soul by impeaching trump, mitigating a disastrous election in 2020?
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The way the Russian infiltration has been going, and as sleazy, spineless, and greedy the GOP are, they may indeed need to stop the investigation to save their own souls! What makes you think Mueller isn't investigating some of them? Or their NRA buddies?
 
bearpoker said:
Untill the base deserts Trump, he owns their soul, and they will act accordingly.
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With farm-state GOP Senators deserting trump on tariffs, gas-lighting him better than Democrats could ever dream of doing, he’ll never survive until Labor Day, imho. In fact, I have a DP donation bet riding on it.

Having lived through Nixon, I watched GOP Senators desert Nixon after a series of special election losses and bad polls. That’s what we’re seeing now. There’s no way McConnell will let this go on much longer.

I believe you will see this trump drag in your Senate race with Blackburn v. Bredesen.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Mueller recently requested access to one hundred pre-filled subpoenas...or did I read "blank" subpoenas.
I don't think such a thing exists, a subpoena can't be "blank", makes no sense. Maybe the report I heard or read got that wrong.

Anyway, A HUNDRED of the durn things. Think about it...as many as one hundred more people scooped up in the net.
Even if it were THIRTY, that would set the party reeling.
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Let's put it this way:

Anyone that had any contact with Mata Hari Butina, is possibly suspect. Personally, unrelated, I think Rohrbacher and several others might have some legal liability too.
 
And Mnuchin ruled that the NRA didn't have to reveal their donors the same day Butina first appeared in the news. How...convenient.
 
Parrish said:
And Mnuchin ruled that the NRA didn't have to reveal their donors the same day Butina first appeared in the news. How...convenient.
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And now the emoluments clause lawsuit moves forward. Imagine the discussions each evening between Mitch McConnell and Elaine Chao.
 
My advice to voters who are thinking of cleaning the House and Senate:

DO NOT listen to, watch or read stories about how well the Democrats are doing, and don't spread that nonsense around, it breeds apathy and complacency, and the result is low turnout.

Far as I'm concerned, from here on out, the Democrats are in deep trouble and might even lose seats in both chambers, that is my frame of mind till Election Day, and that's what I'm spreading around.
We have to do our duty and vote, and bring in the largest turnout in history.
 
Linc said:
And now the emoluments clause lawsuit moves forward. Imagine the discussions each evening between Mitch McConnell and Elaine Chao.
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I'd rather not.;)
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
My advice to voters who are thinking of cleaning the House and Senate:

DO NOT listen to, watch or read stories about how well the Democrats are doing, and don't spread that nonsense around, it breeds apathy and complacency, and the result is low turnout.

Far as I'm concerned, from here on out, the Democrats are in deep trouble and might even lose seats in both chambers, that is my frame of mind till Election Day, and that's what I'm spreading around.
We have to do our duty and vote, and bring in the largest turnout in history.
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Amen, brother! Say it loud!
 
Captain Adverse said:
I don't think this is appropriate. He serves at the pleasure of the President. All Trump has to do is request his resignation.

I would much prefer they cite him for contempt of Congress, via his actions (or failure thereof) in response to their requests for information.
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It's the Freedom Caucus, not the House Select Committee on Intelligence. They're basically a lobbying group within the lower "conservative" halls of Congress. They're not privy to the kind of intelligence data they're requesting. This won't go any farther than the small group of House Democrat's bill has to impeach Trump which is to say it's going nowhere.
 
Mycroft said:
1. I agree in that I don't think this will pass a House vote.

2. You seem to think the Congressmen introducing this thing will suffer consequences. I don't agree.

3. I don't see how the Mueller investigation has anything to do with this. The reason for this action is the difficulty the House has had in getting information from the DOJ. The information they are looking for doesn't affect the Mueller investigation at all.

4. Those Congressmen introducing this action must know how unlikely it is that this will go anywhere, so logic tells me they must have another purpose. What that is, I don't know. I'll speculate that they want to give Rosenstein a kind of slap upside the head to get his attention.
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Did you miss the part in the OP that read:

The articles [of impeachment] were introduced by Rep. Mark Meadows of North Carolina, chairman of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, and Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio, along with 9 cosponsors. Meadows and Jordan have long been critical of Rosenstein and the Justice Department, saying the department has failed to comply with Congress' demands for unredacted records about the Russia investigation.
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Of course this has everything to do with the Mueller investigation. :doh
 
Objective Voice said:
Did you miss the part in the OP that read:



Of course this has everything to do with the Mueller investigation. :doh
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But which "Russia investigation"? The Mueller Trump/Russia investigation? Or the House committees who are looking at the FBI Russia investigation?

As far as I've seen, the House committees are only looking at the actions of the FBI in 2016 and on. None of that has anything to do with what Mueller is investigating. In fact, the House has already come to a conclusion in their Trump/Russia investigation and have moved on.

But hey...you tell me...has any House committee asked the DOJ for any documents about what Mueller has been doing? Maybe you know something I don't know.
 
haymarket said:
I wonder if Jordan will put Rosenstein in a wrestling hold taking him from behind?
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Jordan was and is a bad-ass. Two-time NCAA Division One Champion at 185 pounds. There’s no doubt in my mind he scared Boehner right out of the House.

Boehner is now getting rich on THC, something he fought with a passion his entire gop career. That’s how it’s always worked in our gilded capitalism. Gops must control your vices.
 
trouble13 said:
If Congress wants to dry up his resources they cut off his money. They done need to remove rosenstein for that

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My understanding is that investigations of this nature (special counsel) are paid from a standing fund in the treasury, set aside specifically for these purposes, and that cannot be touched by Congress. And it is Rosentein that sets the budget and scope of the investigation. In addition, it is Rosentein that signs off on warrants, indictments, subpoenas, staffing, and determines direction, scope, and latitude.

And by "resources", a word which I chose carefully, I meant all of the above, not just funding - though funding is obviously important.

Now it's possible I'm wrong here, and I'm willing to entertain cites that I'm not, but this is my current understanding of the situation.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
(*) denotes the 8 out of 11 Representatives specifically named by News Media Sources as Sponsors or Co Sponsors of these Articles of Impeachment.

These Trump Sycophants deserve the full measure of our derision! Steady at it Anti-Trumpers!

Better times lie ahead!
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*Scott DesJarlais of Tennessee[57]

That's in my neck of the woods, although not in my district. He's the doctor who slept with several patients, got at least one pregnant, his wife found out, released a tape about him encouraging his mistress to get an abortion, which she did. His wife also had two abortions. Solid guy. Pro-life. MAGA!!
 
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