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Florida man could avoid charges in fatal shooting because of 'stand your ground' law

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/us/florida-stand-your-ground-fatal-shooting/index.html

"Sheriff Gualtieri said the only relevant issue is whether Drejka was in fear of further bodily harm from McGlockton." Of which there was no indication that it would occur

This is insane. An argument over a parking space costs a man his life. The guy who shot him started a confrontation (and when he was thrown to the ground (and no more) he shot the guy who stopped him from harassing his girlfriend
 
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This is insane. An argument over a parking space costs a man his life. The guy who shot him started a confrontation (and when he was thrown to the ground (and no more) he shot the guy who stopped him from harassing his girlfriend
Well, yeah, I understand it was a handicap parking spot and he had a HC pass. The guy strutting out of the convenience store and pushing the guy down was definitely not the right move. However, in the clip I don't see him making any further threatening gestures and there's no sound. IMHO this is probably not a good example of stand your ground, pending any addition facts.
 
Well, yeah, I understand it was a handicap parking spot and he had a HC pass. The guy strutting out of the convenience store and pushing the guy down was definitely not the right move. However, in the clip I don't see him making any further threatening gestures and there's no sound. IMHO this is probably not a good example of stand your ground, pending any addition facts.

The shooter has a history of picking fights.

The shooter was actually yelling at a woman in the car. Someone came and told the cashier some guy was harassing a woman im a car. It was the girlfriend of the man killed. He was in the store buying candy for his kid. He went outside, pushed the guy yelling at his girl, gets shot.
 
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/us/florida-stand-your-ground-fatal-shooting/index.html

"Sheriff Gualtieri said the only relevant issue is whether Drejka was in fear of further bodily harm from McGlockton." Of which there was no indication that it would occur

This is insane. An argument over a parking space costs a man his life. The guy who shot him started a confrontation (and when he was thrown to the ground (and no more) he shot the guy who stopped him from harassing his girlfriend

Theres like 4 threads on this and so far with the video and everything I read in my personal opinion this is a HORRIBLE shoot. In the end it should be found to be murder. Currently thats not the case and the shooter is not being charged yet. I hope that changes because theres NOTHING in my opinion that justifies this killing at all. I fully support stand your ground law but not when they are vague and insane like this, not when they allow you to start the disturbance being threatening to a mother and children then shoot a the father responding with a push.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/us/florida-stand-your-ground-fatal-shooting/index.html

"Sheriff Gualtieri said the only relevant issue is whether Drejka was in fear of further bodily harm from McGlockton." Of which there was no indication that it would occur

This is insane. An argument over a parking space costs a man his life. The guy who shot him started a confrontation (and when he was thrown to the ground (and no more) he shot the guy who stopped him from harassing his girlfriend

Typical spin. :spin:


Since when does a verbal confrontation justify a physical attack?

A person who was not handicapped parked in a handicapped spot. The "confrontation" was a non-violent discussion. The woman was getting out of the car when her "guy" walked up and without any warning or attempt to discuss anything violently shoved the man "harassing" his girlfriend so hard he flew back and fell to the ground. That is Battery:

A physical act that results in harmful or offensive contact with another's person without that person's consent.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/battery

Ever thought that if instead of immediately attacking the gentleman, your "victim" might have been better served discussing the issue to find out what the problem was? Perhaps apologize for using a handicap spot and offering to simply move the car?

You justification for the battery is "he was harassing the guy's girl" defense?

Violence was initiated, the victim may have feared for his life after having been attacked by a third party he was not aware of until the attack. We don't know what the woman was saying when she got out of the car, what threats may have proceeded or immediately followed the attack.

I think I could make a good defense argument for this case. We'll see what the Prosecutor decides (based on public outrage of course). :coffeepap:
 
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The shooter has a history of picking fights.
Source?
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The shooter was actually yelling at a woman in the car. Someone came and told the cashier some guy was harassing a woman im a car. It was the girlfriend of the man killed.
Yeah, she starts getting out of the car as her BF arrives. Still think his first action shouldn't have been a violent push. He looks like he's a foot taller. But I don't see any further threatening action that would have justified the shooting.
 
The shooter has a history of picking fights.

The shooter was actually yelling at a woman in the car. Someone came and told the cashier some guy was harassing a woman im a car. It was the girlfriend of the man killed. He was in the store buying candy for his kid. He went outside, pushed the guy yelling at his girl, gets shot.

So if a complete stranger came into the store to report a man harassing a female in a car it must have been heated.

The question is if the female in the car had access to a gun and noticed the irate man had a gun on him could she shoot and kill him because she feared for her life?
 
Nobody made any smart decisions here. She shouldn't have parked in a handicap spot, the shooter had no business yelling at her, the guy had no business shoving the shooter down, and the shooter had no cause to shoot him. This IS NOT an example of "stand your ground", a law which I support. I would call it murder 2 or manslaughter.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/us/florida-stand-your-ground-fatal-shooting/index.html

"Sheriff Gualtieri said the only relevant issue is whether Drejka was in fear of further bodily harm from McGlockton." Of which there was no indication that it would occur

This is insane. An argument over a parking space costs a man his life. The guy who shot him started a confrontation (and when he was thrown to the ground (and no more) he shot the guy who stopped him from harassing his girlfriend

Did you see the video? There was no reason for the shooting.

Another idiot with a gun strikes again.
 
Typical spin. :spin:


Since when does a verbal confrontation justify a physical attack?

A person who was not handicapped parked in a handicapped spot. The "confrontation" was a non-violent discussion. The woman was getting out of the car when her "guy" walked up and without any warning or attempt to discuss anything violently shoved the man "harassing" his girlfriend so hard he flew back and fell to the ground. That is Battery:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/battery

Ever thought that if instead of immediately attacking the gentleman, your "victim" might have been better served discussing the issue to find out what the problem was? Perhaps apologize for using a handicap spot and offering to simply move the car?

You justification for the battery is "he was harassing the guy's girl" defense?

Violence was initiated, the victim may have feared for his life after having been attacked by a third party he was not aware of until the attack. We don't know what the woman was saying when she got out of the car, what threats may have proceeded or immediately followed the attack.

I think I could make a good defense argument for this case. We'll see what the Prosecutor decides (based on public outrage of course). :coffeepap:

Uh, the guy was harassing the man's wife. Being pushed down was no reason to a gun and kill someone.

Fricken Floria and the right-wng. Sick
 
I don't know all the particulars of the case but from looking at the video McGlockton came up to Drejka & very forcefully shoved Drejka to the ground.
McGlockton committed a physical assault via that action.

Drejka had no idea if the man was going to do anything further so, he shot the man.

Lesson? If you don't want to be shot, possibly killed, then don't be an asshole and physically assault others.
 
Source?
Yeah, she starts getting out of the car as her BF arrives. Still think his first action shouldn't have been a violent push. He looks like he's a foot taller. But I don't see any further threatening action that would have justified the shooting.

Gunman confronted another man weeks before fatal shooting

The guy has a history of this and also a history of escalating the argument. The woman in the van (significant other of guy shot) said she was shocked at how fast things escalated.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/us/florida-stand-your-ground-fatal-shooting/index.html

"Sheriff Gualtieri said the only relevant issue is whether Drejka was in fear of further bodily harm from McGlockton." Of which there was no indication that it would occur

This is insane. An argument over a parking space costs a man his life. The guy who shot him started a confrontation (and when he was thrown to the ground (and no more) he shot the guy who stopped him from harassing his girlfriend

The shooter was on the ground after a fight and after he had his opponent on the ground, rather than leave, appeared as if he was going in for the kill, or at least to do more damage to the person on the ground who shot him.

Sounds 100% legit to me. Why allow yourself to get stomped to death.
 
Typical spin. :spin:


Since when does a verbal confrontation justify a physical attack?

A person who was not handicapped parked in a handicapped spot. The "confrontation" was a non-violent discussion. The woman was getting out of the car when her "guy" walked up and without any warning or attempt to discuss anything violently shoved the man "harassing" his girlfriend so hard he flew back and fell to the ground. That is Battery:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/battery

Ever thought that if instead of immediately attacking the gentleman, your "victim" might have been better served discussing the issue to find out what the problem was? Perhaps apologize for using a handicap spot and offering to simply move the car?

You justification for the battery is "he was harassing the guy's girl" defense?

Violence was initiated, the victim may have feared for his life after having been attacked by a third party he was not aware of until the attack. We don't know what the woman was saying when she got out of the car, what threats may have proceeded or immediately followed the attack.

I think I could make a good defense argument for this case. We'll see what the Prosecutor decides (based on public outrage of course). :coffeepap:
Sweet Irony!!!
talk about spin

where in the OP did it say:
" verbal confrontation justify a physical attack?"
"justification for the battery is "he was harassing the guy's girl"

oh thats right it didnt you made all that up for SPIN:lamo

What the OP was stating they dont think the shooting/killing is justified and many agree with that. I have yet to see anybody say the spin you made up in this thread . . .might wanna dial back that dishonesty, hypocrisy strawmen in your post lol
 
Typical spin. :spin:


Since when does a verbal confrontation justify a physical attack?

A person who was not handicapped parked in a handicapped spot. The "confrontation" was a non-violent discussion. The woman was getting out of the car when her "guy" walked up and without any warning or attempt to discuss anything violently shoved the man "harassing" his girlfriend so hard he flew back and fell to the ground. That is Battery:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/battery

Ever thought that if instead of immediately attacking the gentleman, your "victim" might have been better served discussing the issue to find out what the problem was? Perhaps apologize for using a handicap spot and offering to simply move the car?

You justification for the battery is "he was harassing the guy's girl" defense?

Violence was initiated, the victim may have feared for his life after having been attacked by a third party he was not aware of until the attack. We don't know what the woman was saying when she got out of the car, what threats may have proceeded or immediately followed the attack.

I think I could make a good defense argument for this case. We'll see what the Prosecutor decides (based on public outrage of course). :coffeepap:

I agree... was the girlfriend saying that her boyfriend would come out and beat the **** out of this guy yelling? Then the guy comes out and assaults him out of the blue... the guy fears further beating and draws his gun... we don't see what happens next. It appears the victim (the one shot) is standing about but perhaps he took a step towards him?

I am not saying it is right but once that guy attacked the yeller he escalated things...

That said this does not look like stand your ground, which I generally find bull**** anyway...
 
Sweet Irony!!!
talk about spin

where in the OP did it say:
" verbal confrontation justify a physical attack?"
"justification for the battery is "he was harassing the guy's girl"

oh thats right it didnt you made all that up for SPIN:lamo

What the OP was stating they dont think the shooting/killing is justified and many agree with that. I have yet to see anybody say the spin you made up in this thread . . .might wanna dial back that dishonesty, hypocrisy strawmen in your post lol

Umm...are you serious? :confused:

Both comments you quoted were MY take on what he posted. I was not quoting anyone.
 
As I see it, when you initiate physical violence against anybody, you instantly forfeit any expectation of your own personal safety or security.
 
The shooter was on the ground after a fight and after he had his opponent on the ground, rather than leave, appeared as if he was going in for the kill, or at least to do more damage to the person on the ground who shot him.

Sounds 100% legit to me. Why allow yourself to get stomped to death.
The guy stepped back after pushing the shooter..even the Sheriff says the guy stepped back. The Sheriff says the guy stepping back gave him “pause” in making the decision but he has to follow the law.
 
The shooter was on the ground after a fight and after he had his opponent on the ground, rather than leave, appeared as if he was going in for the kill, or at least to do more damage to the person on the ground who shot him.

Sounds 100% legit to me. Why allow yourself to get stomped to death.

Do you have a link to that video because the video in the OP doesnt show that at all LMAO
 
Umm...are you serious?

Both comments you quoted were MY take on what he posted. I was not quoting anyone. :confused:

exactly so your take was made up spin and two strawman that NOBODY said, you were arguing tow things that nobody was talking about . . . .thank you for probing what i said 100% accurate . . LMAO "your take" .....exactly a false take
 
I agree... was the girlfriend saying that her boyfriend would come out and beat the **** out of this guy yelling? Then the guy comes out and assaults him out of the blue... the guy fears further beating and draws his gun... we don't see what happens next. It appears the victim (the one shot) is standing about but perhaps he took a step towards him?

I am not saying it is right but once that guy attacked the yeller he escalated things...

That said this does not look like stand your ground, which I generally find bull**** anyway...

the whole video is here ill find it for you in a few minutes, theres like 4 threads here on it, the guy retreats, in fact when he gets shot he isnt even fully facing the guy anymore . . .
 
we will find out in the next day or so if the prosecutor has a case or thinks they can make a case for at minimum man-slaughter.
murder 1 is out and probably murder 2.
 
I agree... was the girlfriend saying that her boyfriend would come out and beat the **** out of this guy yelling? Then the guy comes out and assaults him out of the blue... the guy fears further beating and draws his gun... we don't see what happens next. It appears the victim (the one shot) is standing about but perhaps he took a step towards him?

I am not saying it is right but once that guy attacked the yeller he escalated things...

That said this does not look like stand your ground, which I generally find bull**** anyway...

Here Bodhi heres the link from another thread:

https://www.tampabay.com/news/publi...rgument-over-handicap-parking-space_170174041
 
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