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Trump looking into revoking security clearances for Brennan, other top Obama officials

Carleen said:
You are right. Comey and McCabe no longer have security clearance. That being said if the others are found leaking classified information they would have big problems legally I think.
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If there is evidence of such, then yes, they would be in some legal trouble.
 
j-mac said:
I think this would be appropriate....What the hell are they doing with clearance after they have left their former jobs anyway?
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Stop and think about what you're saying. If Obama did what Trump is threatening, then Trump would have taken office without anyone having a current security clearance.
 
dobieg said:
Does anyone recall former heads of our intelligence agencies being as political as these former Obama appointee's after an election?
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Well, does anyone remember a president being in a situation like this before?
 
iguanaman said:
Yes it's an American tradition to use any means available to quell dissent.. Oh wait.... that is a Russian tradition. Never mind.
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mmmmmk....Feel better now?

Mueller is not done you mean. The only question is who among Trumps inner circle will go to jail next.
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So many process crimes, so little time...amirite?
 
Mithros said:
Stop and think about what you're saying. If Obama did what Trump is threatening, then Trump would have taken office without anyone having a current security clearance.
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Obviously I don't mean the moment he is sworn in...But once they are replaced, then when they leave their positions, then yes their clearance needs to be terminated....

To think that they are out there taking political stances and have access to those still in these agencies and classified information that they can use to work against this administration's policies is not something I think we want no matter who is in office.
 
dave8383 said:
Well, does anyone remember a president being in a situation like this before?
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Yes, I do. It was the summer of 1974, after my sophomore year in college. I voted for President Ford in 1976; tough choice after I voted for Sen. McGovern in 1972. Both Ford and President Carter were and are QUALITY statesmen. And a GOP Senate will arrest this situation soon, again.
 
j-mac said:
I think this would be appropriate....What the hell are they doing with clearance after they have left their former jobs anyway?
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I agree. Nobody outside of government, not even former Presidents, should have high level security clearances. Ordinary Q clearance could be appropriate for some ex-high level officials to have access to some areas where they might need to be and would also allow the government some control over individuals who previously held high level clearances. But certainly nobody fired for cause, who quit under fire, etc. should have security clearance.
 
Linc said:
Yes, I do. It was the summer of 1974, after my sophomore year in college. I voted for President Ford in 1976; tough choice after I voted for Sen. McGovern in 1972. Both Ford and President Carter were and are QUALITY statesmen. And a GOP Senate will arrest this situation soon, again.
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And did Nixon pull anyones clearance? No. Different animals. Nixon was a crook. Trumps a traitor.
 
j-mac said:
Obviously I don't mean the moment he is sworn in...But once they are replaced, then when they leave their positions, then yes their clearance needs to be terminated....

To think that they are out there taking political stances and have access to those still in these agencies and classified information that they can use to work against this administration's policies is not something I think we want no matter who is in office.
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I don't think you actually thought about that at all.

Every presidential candidate needs to have advisors. Who exactly are they going to get?
 
Mycroft said:
They not only criticized him, the whole bunch of them are corrupt Obama admin pukes. Not only should they lose their clearance, the lot of them should be in jail.
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On what charges? Or is this the New Trump Land, Constitution set aside? Speak ill of Trump, and off to jail, next you will ask for reeducation camps.
 
j-mac said:
I think this would be appropriate....What the hell are they doing with clearance after they have left their former jobs anyway?
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It would be inappropriate and probably unconstitutional. There are a number of reasons why a security clearance can be revoked. None of them include the President not liking the exercise of your First Amendment right to free speech. It’s not as though retired government officials can just walk into the National Archives, Pentagon, CIA, NSA, etc and start thumbing through classified material. Security clearances expire and have active and inactive statuses.

And let’s also keep in mind what these guys are being accused of. Trump accused them of using classified material to make political statements or otherwise profit from it. Sarah Sanders clarified this by saying it’s specifically in reference to Trump’s ties to Russia and accusations that Trump is basically Putin’s sock puppet. So what classified material supporting the accusation is out there that Trump accuses these gentlemen of accessing and does Mueller have it?
 
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iguanaman said:
Yes it's an American tradition to use any means available to quell dissent.. Oh wait.... that is a Russian tradition. Never mind.
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You got that backwards. Unfortunately Obama & those in cahoots with them have embarked on the nutty & relatively new tradition
of seeing a passionate crowd massed in a square as the voice of the people. How did the Kiev Maidan & Tahrir Square uprising that
Obama enthusiastically praised as the voice of democracy work out. A few hundred thousand malcontents in countries of countless
millions turned out very badly & were not an indication of a nationalistic movement.

Those uprisings led to the ascension of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt & Obama turning his back on a decades long supporter
of the USA & in Ukraine lead to a civil war & the Ukies losing 3 important provinces.
 
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Mithros said:
I don't think you actually thought about that at all.

Every presidential candidate needs to have advisors. Who exactly are they going to get?
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You really think that this administration is relying on Clapper, or Brennan for advice on anything?
 
Napoleon said:
It would be inappropriate and probably unconstitutional. There are a number of reasons why a security clearance can be revoked. None of them include the President not liking the exercise of your First Amendment right to free speech. It’s not as though retired government officials can just walk into the National Archives, Pentagon, CIA, NSA, etc and start thumbing through classified material. Security clearances expire and have active and inactive statuses.

And let’s also keep in mind what these guys are being accused of. Trump accused them of using classified material to make political statements or otherwise profit from it. Sarah Sanders clarified this by saying it’s specifically in reference to Trump’s ties to Russia and accusations that Trump is basically Putin’s sock puppet. So what classified material supporting the accusation is out there that Trump accuses these gentlemen of accessing and does Mueller have it?
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That's a good question, but first I'd like you to tell me how it would be 'unconstitutional' for the President to call for the revocation of a security clearance of an official, or former official in the executive branch?
 
slick said:
You got that backwards. Unfortunately Obama & those in cahoots with them have embarked on the nutty & relatively new tradition
of seeing a passionate crowd massed in a square as the voice of the people. How did the Kiev Maidan & Tahrir Square uprising that
Obama enthusiastically praised as the voice of democracy work out. A few hundred thousand malcontents in countries of countless
millions turned out very badly & were not an indication of a nationalistic movement.

Those uprisings led to the ascension of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt & Obama turning his back on a decades long supporter
of the USA & in Ukraine lead to a civil war & the Ukies losing 3 important provinces.
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Then there was that whole Bush W. Iraq debacle...........preceded all of your talking points by a few years.

The US has always sucked at: yeah we’ll support you, it is rearing it’s head again in Iran.
 
Rexedgar said:
Then there was that whole Bush W. Iraq debacle...........preceded all of your talking points by a few years.

The US has always sucked at: yeah we’ll support you, it is rearing it’s head again in Iran.
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Agree! That's something to be wary of in Iran!
 
dave8383 said:
And did Nixon pull anyones clearance? No. Different animals. Nixon was a crook. Trumps a traitor.
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Nixon committed treason in the 1968 election, sabotaging the Paris Peace talks. That cost us 22,000 more soldiers. Bastardized gop support NOW for trump is also a different animal. GOPs were still a party of integrity then.
 
j-mac said:
You ought to stop with the silliness....

"Avi Dichter, a lawmaker in Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party and a former head of the Shin Bet security service, said that even if what was reported was true it did not deliver a damaging blow.

“The current president has been serving for slightly over 100 days. This is not enough time to accumulate experience that is as bad as it is described by the media,” he told Israel’s Army Radio.

“I am familiar with a few other cases over the years in other countries where they made use of materials — perhaps even in a more scandalous manner than was described by the media in this case.”

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israel-lauds-u-s-security-ties-following-trump-disclosures

I'll take Mr Dichter's word for it over yours....
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How does that refute anything? If anything it makes an excuse for it.
 
dobieg said:
Does anyone recall former heads of our intelligence agencies being as political as these former Obama appointee's after an election?
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Does anyone recall such a ignorant, reckless president that fails to listen to his own security advisors such that he needs to be called out, after an election? No, previous changes in leadership brought competent Presidents and competent teams that just had different political philosophies.

The previous administrations tend to let the new administrations go about their business, until they do reckless things to put us all in danger. Yes, I want experts to warn us. If I am going to do something stupid that is a danger to myself, such as touch the third rail on a railroad track, I would appreciate someone warning me rather than just watch me do.

We have never previously elected a POTUS that just could not do the job and thus was a danger to America (but we were warned by editorial staffs of every major US newspaper, we were just too arrogant to listen).

... the pity is the foo's that don't hear it or are "offended" by it. We all should take heed.
 
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Mycroft said:
They not only criticized him, the whole bunch of them are corrupt Obama admin pukes. Not only should they lose their clearance, the lot of them should be in jail.
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Jail the critics of my deal leader!

All Hail Trump!
 
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