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At least 9 people shot in Toronto and shooter is dead, police say [W:314]

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MSgt said:
Sure, callous and shameful. Here, allow me to fix that for you....um...thoughts and prayers.

But as long as I don't denigrate the handicapped and American POWs, right? Wouldn't want to be that callous and shameful. Gain perspective.
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:roll: Talk about false equivalency....I know it triggers you Indy posers to no end when people offer prayers, but maybe you could benefit from it...Might humble you a bit.
 
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MSgt said:
I don't look for empathy. I look to what might prevent a next time. "Thoughts and prayers" is merely a way to pretend that it's been dealt with.
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No, the point is to comfort victims, and the belief that a higher power is taking an active role in preventing such violence. For all you know, there would be more violence without people praying to gods to do something.
 
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Our home is 3 blocks from this place.
In fact, the wife and I were out for dinner on that very block, not 30 minutes before it all happened.

I already don't like living in Toronto, as I'm more of a small town kind o' guy.
Now I like it even less.
 
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Buzz62 said:
Our home is 3 blocks from this place.
In fact, the wife and I were out for dinner on that very block, not 30 minutes before it all happened.

I already don't like living in Toronto, as I'm more of a small town kind o' guy.
Now I like it even less.
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Dang!


Glad you all are alright.
 
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dobieg said:
Dang!


Glad you all are alright.
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Thanks.
I thank whatever gawd will listen, that none of my kids were there jack-assin' around at the time.
I think I'd lose touch with reality should one of the kids die like that.
 
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itsforthekids said:
The history of mankind proves out that violence is inevitable, with or without a gun.
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And yet we're talking about rate of violence, not "no violence or full violent". What you are typing makes no sense.
Rate of violence is not inevitable.
rate of violence changes when guns are introduced.
 
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wouldn't it be better to get more facts before the mayor, or posters started commenting about the laws? No one knows right now-at least not publicly, where this mope obtained his weapon(s).
 
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I'm glad the shooter is dead. Violence will occur regardless of the laws in place which supposedly reduce or prevent it. This is a mental health crisis, not a gun crisis.
 
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MSgt said:
Well, what's the point of praying then? The guy's dead and he alone determined his spiritual fate, not somebody's prayer at a funeral.
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You know, when you're bothered more by people expressing sadness over a tragedy than the tragedy itself... maybe you need to take a step back. Just a thought.
 
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Taylor said:
You know, when you're bothered more by people expressing sadness over a tragedy than the tragedy itself... maybe you need to take a step back. Just a thought.
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So I have been told.

As soon as "thoughts and prayers" stop being a dismissive default in order to close the chapter, I'll start considering whether or not their sadness is sincere beyond the political wicket.
 
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Prayers aren't for the dead; they are solace for the living. And just because one offers prayers doesn't mean their concern stops there. However, prayers are a way of showing empathy and allowing a short time just for grieving, before turning the incident into a political football. That span is measured in minutes these days.
 
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Buzz62 said:
Thanks.
I thank whatever gawd will listen, that none of my kids were there jack-assin' around at the time.
I think I'd lose touch with reality should one of the kids die like that.
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Glad you and yours are safe, man.
 
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MSgt said:
Well, what's the point of praying then? The guy's dead and he alone determined his spiritual fate, not somebody's prayer at a funeral.
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Way to hijack a thread! We should all come together when tragedies like this happen. Instead you make it political to advance your own selfish agenda.

RIP to the two who were murdered in Toronto
My prayers are with them and their families.
 
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Linc said:
Brought to you by the guns R us crowd with their thoughts and prayers primarily for their weapons of war.
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This is Canada, strick gun laws and nice people, seems you missed that part genius.
 
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X Factor said:
Something tells me that if this were a different type of tragic and fatal event, like a bad traffic accident or a hurricane or even a terrorist bombing, nobody would have any problems with folks expressing condolences. Since this about someone with a gun, it brings out the petulant “you don’t really mean it” posts from some gun control advocates.
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Hammer nailed.
 
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digsbe said:
Why does this have to be warped into a partisan bickering match about gun control. People died in an unfortunate act of violence.
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(Disclaimer: I go on a bit of a rant here, and when I rant I tend to make a mess with "universal you's"... None of this is directed at you, Dig...well, none of the ranting, anyway... :) )

As much as I appreciate the above sentiment, I think it's worth pointing out. We have strict gun control, and a totally different gun culture, and stuff like this can happen. Root cause is NOT guns, and frankly as a Canadian I'm pissed at mayor Tory (who has always identified as conservative, by the way) for defaulting to the usual "Guns are too easy to get" cop out. Sure, gun control can be PART of the equation, it needs to be, but without addressing root causes such as poverty and treatment / management of mental illness, it's just a ****ing slogan to help people sleep better at night without actually doing anything. **** that, if you don't want to do anything, maybe don't say anything either, and let those of us who would like to find a real solution get some work done. It's worse than the "thoughts and prayers" default, as you're pissing off the people who need to be involved in coming up with a real solution. You'd literally have a better impact if you did nothing at all.

And a word on "thoughts and prayers"... I'm sorry, to those who hate that expression, what do you want done? The victims are dead, the killer is dead, what exactly would you like people to do, other than tell us they we are in their thoughts and prayers? In lieu of any other useful thing, I appreciate it. It's human. We could all use a little more humanity, if at no other time then certainly when we face tragedies like this, and especially when our countries seem so angry with each other.

This was a tragedy, like all the others. It was a bad bad day. Just like all the others. And strict gun control didn't stop it...and thoughts and prayers didn't make it worse. While I'd rather the families of the victims be left to mourn, there are a few lessons in this that it would be a shame to waste.
 
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MSgt said:
I don't look for empathy. I look to what might prevent a next time. "Thoughts and prayers" is merely a way to pretend that it's been dealt with.
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Parroting gun prevention talking points negates good wishes and prayers for the families just how? Who are you to call anyone of faith a pretender?
 
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I wonder if they will say if this guy was being treated for depression?
 
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Waddy said:
Prayers aren't for the dead; they are solace for the living. And just because one offers prayers doesn't mean their concern stops there. However, prayers are a way of showing empathy and allowing a short time just for grieving, before turning the incident into a political football. That span is measured in minutes these days.
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As funerals are for the living and indeed, many people believe in praying for the souls of the dead and that can deeply touch people of faith.
 
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trixare4kids said:
Hammer nailed.
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I really don't recall "thoughts and prayers" triggering such venom when Obama was in office.
I think religion is being demonized-Christianity, mostly- and the worst fringe being assumed mainstream.
 
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Acadia said:
I really don't recall "thoughts and prayers" triggering such venom when Obama was in office.
I think religion is being demonized-Christianity, mostly- and the worst fringe being assumed mainstream.
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Bashing "Thoughts and prayers" is just the newest lame put down meant to marginalize the faithful. I think some actually delude themselves into believing that only the faithful are for a strong second amendment.
There are plenty of non-believers who love their second amendment too but what would someone who lives in the anti-gun echo chamber know? Dumb asses.
 
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Buzz62 said:
Our home is 3 blocks from this place.
In fact, the wife and I were out for dinner on that very block, not 30 minutes before it all happened.

I already don't like living in Toronto, as I'm more of a small town kind o' guy.
Now I like it even less.
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I hope that you and your wife and your community recover some sense of security soon.
 
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