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Putin accuses U.S. forces of trying to ruin Trump summit outcome

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ng-to-ruin-trump-summit-outcome-idUSKBN1K91LS

Putin, speaking to Russian diplomats from around the world assembled in Moscow, said on Thursday the Helsinki summit had been successful.

“It was successful overall and led to some useful agreements. Of course, let’s see how events will develop further,” he said, without disclosing the nature of the agreements he referred to.


However, Putin said “powerful” U.S. forces were trying to sabotage what the summit had achieved.


“We see that there are forces in the United States that are prepared to casually sacrifice Russian-U.S. relations, to sacrifice them for their ambitions in an internal political battle in the United States.”

Our president has denied the conclusions of our intelligence agencies and thrown them under the bus. After a closed door meeting, the same president has unilateraterally declared that the Russians are no longer attacking us, after years of his supporters denying Russians had meddled in our elections. It was only a matter of time before the tyrant he stood next claimed that it is US forces were standing in the way of his goals for the summit.

Republican patriots, where are you?
 
For the Russian the Helsinki meeting was 'Better Than Super': Russia Reacts To Trump-Putin Summit In Helsinki

For Russia, it was a win -- having the U.S. president parrot Putin's talking points, as if he was a paid broadcaster of Russian official TV. For America, not so much.

What agreements was Putin talking about? Without exception, all international agreements are written down. What was this one, pinky-swears?

Swampy is so owned by Putin. It's embarrassing.
 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ng-to-ruin-trump-summit-outcome-idUSKBN1K91LS



Our president has denied the conclusions of our intelligence agencies and thrown them under the bus. After a closed door meeting, the same president has unilateraterally declared that the Russians are no longer attacking us, after years of his supporters denying Russians had meddled in our elections. It was only a matter of time before the tyrant he stood next claimed that it is US forces were standing in the way of his goals for the summit.

Republican patriots, where are you?

The deal is -- Trump doesn't have a clue as to what he's talking about when it comes to foreign policy and he obviously has crappy advisors.

Trump also doesn't have a filter between his brain and his mouth.

That said, I think he wants to do the right thing. I think he gets in front of the camera and just mentally blanks out -- then the odd statements start coming out and I'm not sure he can stop them.

I wish he didn't say the things he says. I wish he'd be more studious rather than full of bluster, but I think -- if given the chance -- he wants to do the right thing. He wants to be the great peacemaker -- rounding up NK and Russia and hugging them tight. He wants to cement his legacy after he leaves as being the greatest President.

People have to remember why he's in the White House -- Obama. Hillary was seen as an extension of Obama and Obama took too many liberal steps too quickly. He scared folks and they were bound and determined not to keep going down that road.

What he needs (in my opinion) is better advisers -- way better -- and he needs to minimize his time in front of the camera.

But, he's not an evil dictator trying to subvert the Constitution and he's not a traitor. He's just in over his head.
 
I'm so glad I bailed from the GOP.

Maybe the only thing better than bailing two years ago would be still being in it so that I could have the satisfaction of bailing now.





.... but if I had stayed in it in spite of the party choosing Trump, then I probably wouldn't be the kind of person who would bail now just because of a little harmless betrayal of America .... so I'm still glad I got out when I did.
 
The deal is -- Trump doesn't have a clue as to what he's talking about when it comes to foreign policy and he obviously has crappy advisors.

Trump also doesn't have a filter between his brain and his mouth.

That said, I think he wants to do the right thing. I think he gets in front of the camera and just mentally blanks out -- then the odd statements start coming out and I'm not sure he can stop them.

I wish he didn't say the things he says. I wish he'd be more studious rather than full of bluster, but I think -- if given the chance -- he wants to do the right thing. He wants to be the great peacemaker -- rounding up NK and Russia and hugging them tight. He wants to cement his legacy after he leaves as being the greatest President.

People have to remember why he's in the White House -- Obama. Hillary was seen as an extension of Obama and Obama took too many liberal steps too quickly. He scared folks and they were bound and determined not to keep going down that road.

What he needs (in my opinion) is better advisers -- way better -- and he needs to minimize his time in front of the camera.

But, he's not an evil dictator trying to subvert the Constitution and he's not a traitor. He's just in over his head.

Either way, he is a danger to our nation.
 
The Russian relationship was dictated by the U.S.
We sanctioned Russia for killing people, invading Crimea, etc.
G7 with U.S. chose to kick them out of the G8.

The only people that wanted us to ignore all of that and get cozy with Putin instead, are Putin and his supporters in the Republican party. Maybe that Republican getting ****ed by the Russian spy. Or the ones getting dirt on the DNC. Maybe Manafort who was trying to get whole with the Russian oligarch. Or was it Trump, who get the presidency?
 
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Republican patriots, where are you?

We're right here, and have been the whole time. As for the politicians, a heck of a lot of them were all over the TV and other news outlets all day yesterday and this morning - such as Senator Graham of SC, Representative Gowdy of SC and a lot of others.

Just as there are some Republicans that ignore the bad that Trump has done and instead they only focus on the good and act as if the bad doesn't exist, there are MANY Democrats that are ignoring the good and only focusing on the bad as if the good doesn't exist.
 
We're right here, and have been the whole time. As for the politicians, a heck of a lot of them were all over the TV and other news outlets all day yesterday and this morning - such as Senator Graham of SC, Representative Gowdy of SC and a lot of others.

Just as there are some Republicans that ignore the bad that Trump has done and instead they only focus on the good and act as if the bad doesn't exist, there are MANY Democrats that are ignoring the good and only focusing on the bad as if the good doesn't exist.

That’s nice. Where are the hearings into Trump and his campaign’s ties to Russia and what he unilaterally committed the United States to?
 
Either way, he is a danger to our nation.

I'm not so sure that's true, but either way -- I think we've outgrown the one-president system. I think we outgrew it a long time ago.

I've often advocated for an odd-number of Heads of State, from different geographic regions, 5-7, that are elected by the people in their region and have a vote equal to the others. We're so very diverse. A Trump can't represent all of us any more than a Bush or an Obama can. Someone's always pissed off. The northern states have different needs than the southern states and the coastal states have different needs from the states in the Heartland. One person simply can't do it anymore.
 
That’s nice. Where are the hearings into Trump and his campaign’s ties to Russia and what he unilaterally committed the United States to?

Did you REALLY just ask where are the hearings regarding Trump and Russia? You DO know there have been hearings non stop for 2 years...rigt? You DO know the FBI began investigating possible Trump/Russia collusion 3 years ago...right? You DO know there is a special counsel investigation ongoing that is supposed to be investigating Trump/Russia campaign collusion...right?
 
That’s nice. Where are the hearings into Trump and his campaign’s ties to Russia and what he unilaterally committed the United States to?

Given that he just met with Putin, I doubt there's been time to have a Congressional hearing scheduled and completed in one day. As for the campaign ties, there's been a number of Congressional hearings, and there's the Mueller investigation, plus numerous FBI/DOJ investigations, so I'm not sure what you're wanting in addition to that.

Plus, in case you're not aware, the President does NOT have the power or authority to commit the US to anything at all internationally that binds the US to anything without two-thirds of the Senate voting their approval - It's called the Treaty Clause of the Constitution and it's in Article II, Section 2, Clause 2.

So, there's nothing to be concerned over at this point, because there's no way 2/3rds of the Senate would support anything with Russia that would harm the US.
 
I'm so glad I bailed from the GOP.

Maybe the only thing better than bailing two years ago would be still being in it so that I could have the satisfaction of bailing now.





.... but if I had stayed in it in spite of the party choosing Trump, then I probably wouldn't be the kind of person who would bail now just because of a little harmless betrayal of America .... so I'm still glad I got out when I did.

you at least learned your lesson that the GOP is nothing but a Satanic cult of commies; good for you ............
 
I'm not so sure that's true, but either way -- I think we've outgrown the one-president system. I think we outgrew it a long time ago.

I've often advocated for an odd-number of Heads of State, from different geographic regions, 5-7, that are elected by the people in their region and have a vote equal to the others. We're so very diverse. A Trump can't represent all of us any more than a Bush or an Obama can. Someone's always pissed off. The northern states have different needs than the southern states and the coastal states have different needs from the states in the Heartland. One person simply can't do it anymore.

Obama worked closely with Biden, which is not at all the historical norm. I see what you are trying to do, and we do need reform. But I think what needs be done is to switch over to a parliamentary system. So when you get a crook like Trump, his support falls away, and the government falls.

The State Dept (when fully staffed and not 3/4 dead) has an elaborate system. So, for example, if we had done Korea properly, the Ass. Undersecretary of State for Asia would have been tasked with putting together a working group to get ready to open negotiations. They'd spend months getting ready to say hi.

So we have something like what you want, assuming we ever fix what Trump did.
 
We're right here, and have been the whole time. As for the politicians, a heck of a lot of them were all over the TV and other news outlets all day yesterday and this morning - such as Senator Graham of SC, Representative Gowdy of SC and a lot of others.

Just as there are some Republicans that ignore the bad that Trump has done and instead they only focus on the good and act as if the bad doesn't exist, there are MANY Democrats that are ignoring the good and only focusing on the bad as if the good doesn't exist.

The latter is done by design.
Now some of those Democrat "patriots" are questioning if the CIC should be able to conduct his foreign policy in secrecy.
That's how deep the TDS has become.

Trump made a mistake in Helsinki at a presser. He made it right in a press conference where he assured the country that he puts our country first.
Now let's move the hell on...
 
The latter is done by design.
Now some of those Democrat "patriots" are questioning if the CIC should be able to conduct his foreign policy in secrecy.
That's how deep the TDS has become.

Trump made a mistake, he made it right, now let's move the hell on...
Throwing our intelligence agencies under the bus to get an agreement from a dictator is not a mistake.

It's treason.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
 
Throwing our intelligence agencies under the bus to get an agreement from a dictator is not a mistake.

It's treason.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.

Sorry, but you are carelessly tossing the word about, and don't know the meaning of the word treason and what's worse is that you have the nerve to question the patriotism of Republicans.
You go right ahead though, keep tossing utter :bs at the wall in hopes it will stick. It's all on you...
 
Sorry, but you are carelessly tossing the word about, and don't know the meaning of the word

Kind of like Trumpeteers and the word "socialism".

lol
 
Sorry, but you are carelessly tossing the word about, and don't know the meaning of the word treason and what's worse is that you have the nerve to question the patriotism of Republicans.
You go right ahead though, keep tossing utter :bs at the wall in hopes it will stick. It's all on you...

Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of “high crimes & misdemeanors.” It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you??? - J. Brennan, former CIA director.

Are you confused by any of this? Or are you angry that people agree?

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
 
Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of “high crimes & misdemeanors.” It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you??? - J. Brennan, former CIA director.

Are you confused by any of this? Or are you angry that people agree?

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.

When will you and John Brennan be arresting our CIC for crimes beyond treason?
lolz
 
The deal is -- Trump doesn't have a clue as to what he's talking about when it comes to foreign policy and he obviously has crappy advisors.

Trump also doesn't have a filter between his brain and his mouth.

That said, I think he wants to do the right thing. I think he gets in front of the camera and just mentally blanks out -- then the odd statements start coming out and I'm not sure he can stop them.

I wish he didn't say the things he says. I wish he'd be more studious rather than full of bluster, but I think -- if given the chance -- he wants to do the right thing. He wants to be the great peacemaker -- rounding up NK and Russia and hugging them tight. He wants to cement his legacy after he leaves as being the greatest President.

People have to remember why he's in the White House -- Obama. Hillary was seen as an extension of Obama and Obama took too many liberal steps too quickly. He scared folks and they were bound and determined not to keep going down that road.

What he needs (in my opinion) is better advisers -- way better -- and he needs to minimize his time in front of the camera.

But, he's not an evil dictator trying to subvert the Constitution and he's not a traitor. He's just in over his head.

I agree with this point. I've never thought Trump as someone who wants to bring about disaster, but what I fault him with is not taking the time to educate himself on the issues he has to deal with so he can make better decisions and communicate more effectively. That he doesn't like to get bogged down with details is a problem when it comes to making policy decisions, and if you're not interested in briefings then you're going to be uninformed and ill prepared. Someone like Putin is the exact opposite; he's a careful tactician and focuses on the details. I also think he wants to be remembered well, but the problem is whether he wants to do that by providing substance or just hype. Given his penchant for hyperbole I'm leaning toward the latter.
 
We're right here, and have been the whole time. As for the politicians, a heck of a lot of them were all over the TV and other news outlets all day yesterday and this morning - such as Senator Graham of SC, Representative Gowdy of SC and a lot of others.

Just as there are some Republicans that ignore the bad that Trump has done and instead they only focus on the good and act as if the bad doesn't exist, there are MANY Democrats that are ignoring the good and only focusing on the bad as if the good doesn't exist.

Still waiting for the good. Have tried to see it.

Every time it looks like there might be something good, I get a little closer view and catch a whiff and realize it's coated in manure. Again.
 
The latter is done by design.
Now some of those Democrat "patriots" are questioning if the CIC should be able to conduct his foreign policy in secrecy.
That's how deep the TDS has become.

Trump made a mistake in Helsinki at a presser. He made it right in a press conference where he assured the country that he puts our country first.
Now let's move the hell on...

What Trump said was more than just a mistake, it was irresponsible and harmful to our country. Yes, he walked it back later, but the damage was done.

Now, was it as big a deal as some are trying to make it our to be? Hell no - it wasn't "treason" and it wasn't proof of "collusion" and it wasn't a "high crime or misdemeanor" either. It was stupid, and very bad, but it was a mistake that can be reversed, and the White House is trying to reverse it now.

The Trump supporters that dismiss what he did in Helsinki are not accepting the reality of the harm Trump caused by what he actually said, and the anti-Trump folks are trying to make way more out of it than it actually was.
 
Still waiting for the good. Have tried to see it.

Every time it looks like there might be something good, I get a little closer view and catch a whiff and realize it's coated in manure. Again.

That manure knows no political loyalty. It spreads across party lines each and every day.

What we have to do is hope that it's not so thick that it can't be washed away.

As for what would be the "something good," that is unfortunately in the eye of the beholder in many instances. Job creation is up but so is inflation, but not at the same rate. Unemployment rates in the most vulnerable populations of the US are at all time lows, but the labor participation rate is also at an all time low which is not good. I could keep going, but I think you get the point.

There are good things happening in the country. The President, regardless of who that person is, gets the credit and the blame for a lot of things that they have no control over. Although they have no control over those items, they do have some influence over those items, such as the stock market and certain economic indicators such as employment figures, by way of the actions the President takes and the things the President says.
 
What Trump said was more than just a mistake, it was irresponsible and harmful to our country. Yes, he walked it back later, but the damage was done.

Now, was it as big a deal as some are trying to make it our to be? Hell no - it wasn't "treason" and it wasn't proof of "collusion" and it wasn't a "high crime or misdemeanor" either. It was stupid, and very bad, but it was a mistake that can be reversed, and the White House is trying to reverse it now.

The Trump supporters that dismiss what he did in Helsinki are not accepting the reality of the harm Trump caused by what he actually said, and the anti-Trump folks are trying to make way more out of it than it actually was.

I've already condemned Trump's words several times on various threads. Do some research on my posts.
If some want to continue to stomp their feet over his Helsinki blunder and subsequent attempt to make it right, I have to wonder if it's because they're partisan sycophants who want to drag this out until the midterm elections are over. IOW and imo, this is just more of the partisan Trump deranged echo chamber doing what they do best. Resist, resist, resist anything Trump! At least you're smart enough to know Trump's f/up wasn't treason.
 
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