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Trump sees no reason to believe Russia behind election meddling [W:1173]

ChezC3 said:
:shock: I said dismissed?

OK, see right there, what you just did? You did exactly what I said you'd do. Dishonest as a mofo...:lamo

How you cannot read a headline escape......wait a minute.....

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/obama-campaign-raises-illegal-cash-overseas/

Oops, my bad, gave the wrong link.

I will happily apologize for my push back to your initial offering, all the while remain steadfast in my assessment as you have proved yourself a dishonest actor.

How I could have made such an egregious mistake and yet turn out to be right about you all along, it really is amazing....

(I also find that me offering to put my beef on your back didn't give you the willys, but my phrasal verb usage sent shivers...hmm, that says something else about you, that I will just leave untouched....)
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I have always enjoyed the drivel pushed by IBD, having to read it for years as a source linked to by "Bullseye", and again, it just doesn't have any beef, the best it has is in the first line:

"A new study suggests"

Now anyone can imply, intimate or conger up an idea....but it just has to have substance, a smoking gun. Do we have that? Nope, nothing, nada. Does this have any equivalence to what we see unfolding now? Nope, zip, nada.

Yer argument is smoking hulk of scrap, made worse by your sourcing. It is impotent, and I know you know what that means.
 
American said:
State power
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I'll have to check some newspaper archives, but I'm relatively certain that there has been a Republican candidate for President in every one of the last few elections.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I have always enjoyed the drivel pushed by IBD, having to read it for years as a source linked to by "Bullseye", and again, it just doesn't have any beef, the best it has is in the first line:

"A new study suggests"

Now anyone can imply, intimate or conger up an idea....but it just has to have substance, a smoking gun. Do we have that? Nope, nothing, nada. Does this have any equivalence to what we see unfolding now? Nope, zip, nada.

Yer argument is smoking hulk of scrap, made worse by your sourcing. It is impotent, and I know you know what that means.
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One of "About 671,000 results" you can take it from here.

And as I said.....Dishonest.
 
Can I clarify that Trump, Having flatly claimed for over a year (and in Helsinki) that the Russians HAD NOT interfered, has changed his position, that now the Russians DID interfere with his election, (though off script it might have been unspecified others) but it wasn't enough to affect the outcome. People take that seriously?
 
Atomic Kid said:
Trump didn't just stand by Putin. He threw his entire Intel and DOJ under the bus. Obama didn't ask for Medvedev's help in getting elected. He merely asked him to have some patience saying he would be freer to discuss the issues Medvedev very much wanted to discuss such missile defense after the election. Which because of the way our political system works would be true for any President. There's no equivalency between that and the Russians exhibiting a clear preference for electing and actively worked at trying make that happen. Putin even admitted to it.

Trump has clearly decided to put his own self-interest ahead of the national interest and has decided to side with Team Putin over Team America. At great peril. The only explanation there can be for this President's behavior is that he must perceive that there exists some greater personal threat to himself than the threat being posed to our democracy and our country. In his mind anyway. What that consists of I don't know. Whether it is pathologically egocentric in nature, personal or financial malfeasance oriented, or is it because of the Russians and or himself may have direct knowledge of collusion by himself or others? I don't know. But it has to be something that he isn't telling us or admitting. Trump's behavior suggests that for the first time since our fore-fathers fretted over the theory that a foreign power could possibly corrupt the chief executive of the United States government. May no longer be just a theory. This was never a worry or even a thought with the other previous 44 Presidents. But it is now as people are openly questioning has the President been corrupted and is now acting as an agent of a foreign power.

We are at a national security crisis point unlike any we have ever seen. Just think of this scary thought. Which is this. What is it that Putin is seeking to get out this relationship if he truly has Trump over a barrel? What is it then that he really wants? The most worrisome aspect of that is that I believe is that Putin still has yet to cash the check that he appears to have in his pocket and we are going to have to wait to find that out. The hard way.
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Ok— but if Trump has asked Medvedev to take it easy— to not be so rotten— until after his re-election would you be as charitable to Trump as you are to Obama?
Of course not.
So now we need to compare Obama’s policy toward Russia with Trump’s.
 
dobieg said:
If a flaming liberal such as your self is what constitutes "rational intelligent people" today then I'm cool.
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You know nothing about me so if you have to make up labels, moronic pones at that, because you can not post something relevant, much less something intelligent, it is clear that you are cool, but still not on that playing field.
 
lurchadams said:
A civics class, why thanks my friend. I'll look into it. Meanwhile, all I have to fall back on for now is that I'm much, much smarter than you.

Have a nice day.
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Yes, I can see how smart you are as opinions and words matter more than actual results and you don't know the difference. Liberal elites loving having patsies.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Can I clarify that Trump, Having flatly claimed for over a year (and in Helsinki) that the Russians HAD NOT interfered, has changed his position, that now the Russians DID interfere with his election, (though off script it might have been unspecified others) but it wasn't enough to affect the outcome. People take that seriously?
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Why does it matter what Trump said?? The investigation is ongoing and nothing changes that except this just offers more red meat to the radical trump hating leftwing socialist supporters.
 
rocket88 said:
I'll have to check some newspaper archives, but I'm relatively certain that there has been a Republican candidate for President in every one of the last few elections.
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How you coming on finding those actual results showing how Trump has screwed up the Obama economy and foreign policy successes?
 
dobieg said:
Still waiting for you to show where one member of Trump's team has been convicted of colluding with Russia.
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And I'm still waiting on Mueller to finish. I'm patient like that. Unlike yourself.
 
Conservative said:
Why does it matter what Trump said?? The investigation is ongoing and nothing changes that except this just offers more red meat to the radical trump hating leftwing socialist supporters.
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The Mueller investigation isn't quite going fast enough to suit the entitled anti-Trump brigade so I actually believe that they thought Trump's Russia gaffe was going to be their fast track ticket to impeachment.
 
Conservative said:
Why does it matter what Trump said?? The investigation is ongoing and nothing changes that except this just offers more red meat to the radical trump hating leftwing socialist supporters.
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Trump's line since being elected (and before) that the whole thing was a tissue of lies. Until yesterday, where he openly contradicted his own security services and chose to support the denial by the very person accused of doing the USA harm, in front of the world's media. Of course it matters! He's backtracking slightly but not credibly,since seeing the negative reaction to his words. He seemed surprised!
He rightly believes it damages his denials of that Russian interference helping him win, delegitimising his presidency. Which it does.
 
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trixare4kids said:
The Mueller investigation isn't quite going fast enough to suit the entitled anti-Trump brigade so I actually believe that they thought Trump's Russia gaffe was going to be their fast track ticket to impeachment.
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Oh, the irony, those calling for a quick end......have been the cons. I think most in the center and left are fine having this sword hang over the orangatans head for as long as it takes, we know these investigations can and do go on for years.
 
trixare4kids said:
The Mueller investigation isn't quite going fast enough to suit the entitled anti-Trump brigade so I actually believe that they thought Trump's Russia gaffe was going to be their fast track ticket to impeachment.
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So you claim to believe Trump's latest lie?

That was no "gaffe". That was reality. Trump is OWNED by Putin.
 
Conservative said:
How you coming on finding those actual results showing how Trump has screwed up the Obama economy and foreign policy successes?
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The thread is not about the economy. FAIL. This week was a disaster foreign policy wise for Trump. Even Republicans are saying so. FAIL #2.
 
trixare4kids said:
The Mueller investigation isn't quite going fast enough to suit the entitled anti-Trump brigade so I actually believe that they thought Trump's Russia gaffe was going to be their fast track ticket to impeachment.
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So one more time, why didn't the Russian meddling affect your vote? Are you that much smarter than everyone else?? That is liberal arrogance and nothing conservative about you. Only in the liberal world does rhetoric trump substance and rhetoric convinces others but not you
 
Manc Skipper said:
Trump's line since being elected (and before) that the whole thing was a tissue of lies. Until yesterday, where he openly contradicted his own security services and chose to support the denial by the very person accused of doing the USA harm, in front of the world's media. Of course it matters! He's backtracking slightly but not credibly,since seeing the negative reaction to his words. He seemed surprised!
He rightly believes it damages his denials of that Russian interference helping him win, delegitimising his presidency. Which it does.
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Why do you care what Trump says and why is this important. You aren't eligible to vote here so it doesn't affect you thus I really don't give a damn about what you think on this issue.

Whether he backtracks, lies, distorts, diverts it is irrelevant, you didn't like Trump in the first place but to me results matter, not rhetoric or his opinion. He could never salvage his Presidency with people like you but I am still waiting for you and others to post the data supporting your claim as to how bad Trump is?? Interesting no leftist has done that and that speaks volumes because there is NO DATA to support your claims.
 
rocket88 said:
The thread is not about the economy. FAIL. This week was a disaster foreign policy wise for Trump. Even Republicans are saying so. FAIL #2.
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If there was a foreign policy disaster then the results would be there for all to see but haven't seen anything but rhetoric coming from you. Post the negative impacts of the Trump/Putin Conference and how bad it has impacted this country? Your rhetoric and opinions don't win debates nor pay the bills.
 
Lesh said:
So you claim to believe Trump's latest lie?

That was no "gaffe". That was reality. Trump is OWNED by Putin.
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You're calling out a president who lies while dishonestly embellishing about Trump being "owned" by Putin.
Keep up the good work there, friend. :lol:
 
Conservative said:
So one more time, why didn't the Russian meddling affect your vote? Are you that much smarter than everyone else?? That is liberal arrogance and nothing conservative about you. Only in the liberal world does rhetoric trump substance and rhetoric convinces others but not you
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Slow down. I think you might want to reread what I wrote.
I was agreeing with you.
 
Conservative said:
Why do you care what Trump says and why is this important. You aren't eligible to vote here so it doesn't affect you thus I really don't give a damn about what you think on this issue.

Whether he backtracks, lies, distorts, diverts it is irrelevant, you didn't like Trump in the first place but to me results matter, not rhetoric or his opinion. He could never salvage his Presidency with people like you but I am still waiting for you and others to post the data supporting your claim as to how bad Trump is?? Interesting no leftist has done that and that speaks volumes because there is NO DATA to support your claims.
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I hate to break it to you, but on a debate forum people are free to discuss on whatever issue is available. If you don't "give a damn about what you think" you could have spared yourself the energy used typing a response.
 
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