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Trump sees no reason to believe Russia behind election meddling [W:1173]

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ieve-russia-hacked-u-s-election-idUSKBN1K601D

HELSINKI (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump emerged from a meeting with Vladimir Putin on Monday saying he saw no reason to believe Russia had hacked the 2016 U.S. presidential election, and the Russian leader “was extremely strong and powerful” in denying it.

Trump held his meeting just days after a special prosecutor in the United States indicted 12 Russian agents for stealing Democratic Party documents to help him win the vote.
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Russia wins, we lose. Putin: 1, Trump: 0

What else could be expected? Strongman & Blusterer-in-Chief Trump came out of that closed door meeting acting like he's been thoroughly cowed by Putin. What else were we expecting?
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ieve-russia-hacked-u-s-election-idUSKBN1K601D

HELSINKI (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump emerged from a meeting with Vladimir Putin on Monday saying he saw no reason to believe Russia had hacked the 2016 U.S. presidential election, and the Russian leader “was extremely strong and powerful” in denying it.

Trump held his meeting just days after a special prosecutor in the United States indicted 12 Russian agents for stealing Democratic Party documents to help him win the vote.
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Russia wins, we lose. Putin: 1, Trump: 0

What else could be expected? Strongman & Blusterer-in-Chief Trump came out of that closed door meeting acting like he's been thoroughly cowed by Putin. What else were we expecting?
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Of course not. Putin completely Jedi Mindtricked him.

This is not the evidence you're looking for.

lol
 
Ikari said:
Of course not. Putin completely Jedi Mindtricked him.

This is not the evidence you're looking for.

lol
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I don't know what went on in the one-on-one meet but Trump looked weaker & less assertive than I have ever seen him. I think Putin has something big on him. Pee tapes?
 
JacksinPA said:
I don't know what went on in the one-on-one meet but Trump looked weaker & less assertive than I have ever seen him. I think Putin has something big on him. Pee tapes?
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He got told the script by Putin, it's what most every rational and sane individual had assumed would happen.
 
Like I said in the other thread, Russia's meddling in the 2016 election is beyond debate. It is fact.
 
“I would rather take a political risk in pursuit of peace than to risk peace in pursuit of politics. I will not make decisions on foreign policy in a futile effort to appease partisan critics, the media, or Democrats who want to resist and obstruct.” - Donald Trump


I'm wondering how many here actually disagree with Trump's policy as stated above.

The press certainly doesn't.

At what point did the press stop trying to be the next Edward R Murrow and decided they wanted to be the next William Randolph Hearst?

The press seems more interested in goading the two leaders into conflict.
 
jmotivator said:
“I would rather take a political risk in pursuit of peace than to risk peace in pursuit of politics. I will not make decisions on foreign policy in a futile effort to appease partisan critics, the media, or Democrats who want to resist and obstruct.” - Donald Trump.
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That's one amazingly weak and shameful position. The U.S. is the leader of the free world. Russia was treated coldly by the U.S. not because we are *****s and feared them...well, not speaking for you of course. We treated Russia based on how they behaved, as an adversary who opposes NATO, who attack Crimea against the law, who attacked the U.S., who just assassinated people, for their opposition to us in other international affairs. An authoritarian who kills journalists. Etc.

Our relationship with Russia is based on their behavior. It is not some random chance that we don't get along with them, we INTENTIONALLY punish them for their terrible behavior that has never been in the interest of the U.S., or humanity.

To meet and play nice with Putin, is to agree that all of that is just the behavior of "fine people who are our friends!". It's outrageously irresponsible, he may as well literally get on his knees to Putin right now.

Seeing supposed Conservatives support this is the most surprising thing of all. Who knew all their patriotic fluff and America first rally cries were just cover for their weak and child-like fear of a declining, poor, authoritarian regime.
 
jmotivator said:
“I would rather take a political risk in pursuit of peace than to risk peace in pursuit of politics. I will not make decisions on foreign policy in a futile effort to appease partisan critics, the media, or Democrats who want to resist and obstruct.” - Donald Trump


I'm wondering how many here actually disagree with Trump's policy as stated above.

The press certainly doesn't.

At what point did the press stop trying to be the next Edward R Murrow and decided they wanted to be the next William Randolph Hearst?

The press seems more interested in goading the two leaders into conflict.
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Which sounds better, Neville Trump or Donald Chamberlain? I really can’t decide.
 
Helix said:
Like I said in the other thread, Russia's meddling in the 2016 election is beyond debate. It is fact.
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Not according to Putin, and Trump trusts Putin more than American Intelligence.
 
jmotivator said:
“I would rather take a political risk in pursuit of peace than to risk peace in pursuit of politics. I will not make decisions on foreign policy in a futile effort to appease partisan critics, the media, or Democrats who want to resist and obstruct.” - Donald Trump


I'm wondering how many here actually disagree with Trump's policy as stated above.

The press certainly doesn't.

At what point did the press stop trying to be the next Edward R Murrow and decided they wanted to be the next William Randolph Hearst?

The press seems more interested in goading the two leaders into conflict.
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I wonder who wrote that line for him. But who here actually thinks Trump is altruistically moving for peace? He just spent a week bashing our allies and NATO, and then all of a sudden nothing but praise for the ex-KGB commie Putin.

But yeah, it's all for "peace".
 
Greenbeard said:
Which sounds better, Neville Trump or Donald Chamberlain? I really can’t decide.
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Neville Chamberlain actually tried to stop Hitler. Edouard Daladie might be a better comparison, but even then the French fought for a few hours. I mean hell, you'd have to watch dungeon porn to find Trump levels of submission.
 
Mach said:
That's one amazingly weak and shameful position. The U.S. is the leader of the free world. Russia was treated coldly by the U.S. not because we are *****s and feared them...well, not speaking for you of course. We treated Russia based on how they behaved, as an adversary who opposes NATO, who attack Crimea against the law, who attacked the U.S., who just assassinated people, for their opposition to us in other international affairs. An authoritarian who kills journalists. Etc.

Our relationship with Russia is based on their behavior. It is not some random chance that we don't get along with them, we INTENTIONALLY punish them for their terrible behavior that has never been in the interest of the U.S., or humanity.

To meet and play nice with Putin, is to agree that all of that is just the behavior of "fine people who are our friends!". It's outrageously irresponsible, he may as well literally get on his knees to Putin right now.

Seeing supposed Conservatives support this is the most surprising thing of all. Who knew all their patriotic fluff and America first rally cries were just cover for their weak and child-like fear of a declining, poor, authoritarian regime.
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Trump restarted the ballistic missile program with Putin that Obama canceled to appease Putin.

Trump has deported numerous Russian "diplomats"

Trump is arming Ukraine

Trump is cracking down of Russia's war against Syrian rebels

Trump has increased the number of sanctions against Russian oligarchs.

The problem is you refuse to process these because you've made your mind up to focus on and protect an illusion.
 
Ikari said:
I wonder who wrote that line for him. But who here actually thinks Trump is altruistically moving for peace? He just spent a week bashing our allies and NATO, and then all of a sudden nothing but praise for the ex-KGB commie Putin.

But yeah, it's all for "peace".
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It is so weird to see people who would normally attack presidents for starting wars suddenly being pissed at a president for not starting one at a diplomatic presser... :roll:
 
jmotivator said:
It is so weird to see people who would normally attack presidents for starting wars suddenly being pissed at a president for not starting one at a diplomatic presser... :roll:
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No matter who would be President, we wouldn't start a shooting war with Russia. That would be stupid. We fight our wars through ME proxies. Which we have and are doing and of which Trump has done nothing to stop.

So the whole "not starting one [a war]..." is just convenient propaganda. What we do have is now a pattern of attacks/praise by Trump. He continually criticizes and threatens our allies, starts trade wars with them, while lavishing praise on our communist enemies.

Let's not sit here and try to call an apple an orange. Trump's endorsement of Putin's version of events isn't done for "peace".
 
jmotivator said:
It is so weird to see people who would normally attack presidents for starting wars suddenly being pissed at a president for not starting one at a diplomatic presser... :roll:
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Groveling to an enemy and disgracing your country is not the opposite of starting a war.

The Surrender Summit was disgusting and should embarrass all Americans.
 
Greenbeard said:
Which sounds better, Neville Trump or Donald Chamberlain? I really can’t decide.
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Actually, to briefly humor your analogy, in this case Trump is playing FDR and Merkle is Chamberlain.

But also this isn't the lead up to World War 2 because the US has not only one of the largest, but also the most technically advanced military in the world by a wide margin and Putin's military wouldn't stand a chance. And, to compound Putin's problems, his economy is utter crap, and is declining to near third world status. He's only afloat because of weak leadership in Europe selling out for his cheap oil and natural gas. If Europe stopped buying Russia's primary marketable commodity (fossil fuels) then Russia would find it hard to maintain it's second most marketable commodity (military weaponry).
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ieve-russia-hacked-u-s-election-idUSKBN1K601D

HELSINKI (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump emerged from a meeting with Vladimir Putin on Monday saying he saw no reason to believe Russia had hacked the 2016 U.S. presidential election, and the Russian leader “was extremely strong and powerful” in denying it.

Trump held his meeting just days after a special prosecutor in the United States indicted 12 Russian agents for stealing Democratic Party documents to help him win the vote.
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Russia wins, we lose. Putin: 1, Trump: 0

What else could be expected? Strongman & Blusterer-in-Chief Trump came out of that closed door meeting acting like he's been thoroughly cowed by Putin. What else were we expecting?
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I noticed 45 cleaned Putin's ejaculate off his chin before he approached the podium. Too bad Putin's dick was still in his mouth as he spoke.

Seriously, though, this is perilously dangerous. I have never seen a more impotent performance by an American president in front of a Russian leader. Ever. His own administration and the Republican party and congressional Republicans and Dan Coats are all condemning his behavior. The man has less geopolitical awareness than a toddler. He's risking our society, our culture, our political system, and our lives.
 
Trump’s performance was “nothing short of treasonous.
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-John Brennan (former director of CIA)
 
Mach said:
That's one amazingly weak and shameful position. The U.S. is the leader of the free world. Russia was treated coldly by the U.S. not because we are *****s and feared them...well, not speaking for you of course. We treated Russia based on how they behaved, as an adversary who opposes NATO, who attack Crimea against the law, who attacked the U.S., who just assassinated people, for their opposition to us in other international affairs. An authoritarian who kills journalists. Etc.

Our relationship with Russia is based on their behavior. It is not some random chance that we don't get along with them, we INTENTIONALLY punish them for their terrible behavior that has never been in the interest of the U.S., or humanity.

To meet and play nice with Putin, is to agree that all of that is just the behavior of "fine people who are our friends!". It's outrageously irresponsible, he may as well literally get on his knees to Putin right now.

Seeing supposed Conservatives support this is the most surprising thing of all. Who knew all their patriotic fluff and America first rally cries were just cover for their weak and child-like fear of a declining, poor, authoritarian regime.
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Yes, all that.:applaud:applaud:applaud
 
Greenbeard said:
Groveling to an enemy and disgracing your country is not the opposite of starting a war.

The Surrender Summit was disgusting and should embarrass all Americans.
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Hah, yeah, Putin and his henchmen was taking it on the chin from sanctions that have left the Russian economy in near collapse, America is resurgent in former Eastern bloc countries, the US is again in control of Syria and Iran in in upheaval ... but Trump didn't break a chair over Putin's head at a diplomatic presser so he's Putin's puppet. :roll:
 
jmotivator said:
“I would rather take a political risk in pursuit of peace than to risk peace in pursuit of politics. I will not make decisions on foreign policy in a futile effort to appease partisan critics, the media, or Democrats who want to resist and obstruct.” - Donald Trump


I'm wondering how many here actually disagree with Trump's policy as stated above.

The press certainly doesn't.

At what point did the press stop trying to be the next Edward R Murrow and decided they wanted to be the next William Randolph Hearst?

The press seems more interested in goading the two leaders into conflict.
Click to expand...

The conflict has existed for seventy years. Goading is not necessary. All that we need is an effective and intelligent president.
 
If Obama and the Democrats were the least bit interested in Russia's meddling during the primaries....

If Clinton didn't take $500K from Russians for a speech.....

If Hillary didn't negotiate 1/5th of our uranium to the Russians......

If Hillary didn't take millions for her "foundation" from Russians.....

If the DNC didn't destroy 30K emails to keep them from the CIA....

Then maybe today's criticisms would hold water.

Russia has a smaller economy than the state of Texas. I wish world leaders would dismiss them from the table frankly.
 
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