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Americans rank Barack Obama as best president of their lifetimes: Poll

Fledermaus said:
He "let" 9/11 happen?

The primary hijackers came into the US under Clinton. They prepared under Clinton. They trained under Clinton.

The Clinton administration passed a vague warning that OBL intended to strike America with no who, how or when attached.

Please share... How should Bush have prevented 9/11?
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He had intelligence obl was going to attack and chose to ignore it.
 
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99percenter said:
He had intelligence obl was going to attack and chose to ignore it.
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Really? What was it?

When? Who? Where? With what weapons?

I could easily say Clinton had intelligence obl was going to attack and chose to not to do anything... It would be about as true as your claim.


And he bails.....
 
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Northern Light said:
Things have been on the decline since Nixon, really. Successive generations of Americans have been accepting the gradual loss of their freedoms, not knowing how good it was before, so of course they are going to say someone like Obama was great. If you compare him across several generations, he's not so great.
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You don't indicate gender, but you're obviously not female. I remember the 60' and 70's. I was not free.
 
Conservative said:
Great no but coming out of recession yes and oh by the way Democrats controlled the Congress and Democrats passed the Obama stimulus on almost day 1 so answer the question what did he do to deserve this ranking?
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No, sweetie. The recession was just getting started. Obama stopped it in its tracks with that stimulus he passed on day 1.
 
Mason66 said:
What would you say made Carter a good President?
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1. Carter brokered a landmark peace deal between Israel and Egypt that stabilized Israel in the middle east.

Jimmy Carter’s Role in Securing Middle East Peace

2. Carter led the deregulation of the airlines, interstate trucking, railroads, some banking and communications industries.

Democrats these days hate deregulation, but once upon a time they loved it - Los Angeles Times
What are the Results of Deregulation? | Deregulation Outcomes | IndustryWeek
Rethinking Carter | Mises Institute
A Brief History of Regulation and Deregulation | The Regulatory Review

3. He took bold action to remove artificial caps on interest rates which allowed the rates to float to a natural level, which broke the back fos stagflation that had plagued our economy of the 15 years prior.

Jimmy Carter deserves our thanks, not our scorn - MarketWatch

4. More jobs were created in Carter administration than in any other 4 year term.

Jobs created during U.S. presidential terms - Wikipedia

5. He spearheaded and signed into law the Energy Security Act, which reduced US dependence on OPEC oil and began US initiatives in i geothermal, solar, and biomass energy to give electricity generators new alternatives to oil.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-94/pdf/STATUTE-94-Pg611.pdf

The man got more done in 4 years than most Presidents get done in two terms. He was a very underrated president.

Not to mention, he may be the most decent man to have held the office, though Obama is also a fine man. (I also think both Bush's were fine men).

Jimmy Carter Was a Better President than You Think - Foundation for Economic Education
https://millercenter.org/president/carter/domestic-affairs
 
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Fledermaus said:
Annnnnnnnnnnnnd?

Bin Laden determined to strike the US....

You do understand the US is a big place.

So, where, when, who, what method of attack?

And why didn't Clinton act on this information?
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I see bush is an idiot so we can expect his to take action on intelligence without someone spelling it out for him. Gotchya.

9-11 happened during bush so clinton did his job and kept us safe. Bush didn't.
 
99percenter said:
I see bush is an idiot so we can expect his to take action on intelligence without someone spelling it out for him. Gotchya.

9-11 happened during bush so clinton did his job and kept us safe. Bush didn't.
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Your (snicker) opinion is noted.....

You cannot show what it is that either president could do with the intelligence...

Your stance is merely "I hate Bush therefore Bush's fault".

You fail to understand at all levels what was known and not known.
 
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ChezC3 said:
Yes, yes, of course, of course.....if you're not assimilate to the Unthinking Left's groupthink, then you're a partisan, of course
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No, your ignorant partisanship is evidenced by your moronic posts. It has absolutely nothing to do with agreement or disagreement with anything.
 
trixare4kids said:
Only a silly busybody would care...
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Which, of course, completely accounts for all of the "news" items concerning some politician's parents, or grand parents, or siblings, or children, or cousins, or nieces and nephews - right?
 
3leftsdoo said:
Ah - so 2nd graders weighed in too?

People DO like juice and cookies...
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If you had actually read the polling data to see how the poll was conducted you wouldn't be making such a silly statement.

Mind you, I do have to admit that you are VERY good at making silly statements.
 
Integrityrespec said:
So this poll was taken where? What group of people formed the poll? Way too many questions to consider this valid.
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If you had actually read the polling data to see how the poll was conducted you wouldn't be making such a silly statement.
 
99percenter said:
He had intelligence obl was going to attack and chose to ignore it.
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Here is all of the information that you have to go on:

  1. There is an indication that "X" is likely going to attack the United States of America.
  2. You DO NOT KNOW where.
  3. You DO NOT KNOW how.
  4. You DO NOT KNOW when.
  5. You DO NOT KNOW how great that likelihood is.
  6. You DO NOT KNOW exactly where "X" is.
  7. You DO NOT KNOW who is working with "X".

Now, please provide the specific steps you are going to take to prevent that attack.
 
99percenter said:
I see bush is an idiot so we can expect his to take action on intelligence without someone spelling it out for him. Gotchya.

9-11 happened during bush so clinton did his job and kept us safe. Bush didn't.
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And there is a Measles outbreak in the United States of America while Mr. Trump is the President so the "obvious" conclusion to draw is "Donald Trump causes Measles." - right?
 
prometeus said:
No, your ignorant partisanship is evidenced by your moronic posts. It has absolutely nothing to do with agreement or disagreement with anything.
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Yes, yes, since you don't understand, can't comprehend, are unable to fathom Obama was and is a big piece of ****, you're lashing out....I understand completely..
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From ABC News

Americans rank Barack Obama as best president of their lifetimes: Poll
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A new Pew Research Center poll says more Americans rank former President Barack Obama higher than any other when asked which president has done the best job in their lifetimes.

Obama was named the best or second best president by 44 percent of Americans in the survey that came out Wednesday. Thirty-one percent ranked him as the best president in their lifetimes.


President Donald Trump comes in fourth after President Bill Clinton and President Ronald Reagan, with 19 percent of Americans ranking him as the best or second best in their lifetimes.


While 19 percent might seem low, 20 percent of Americans ranked Obama as the best or second best president in 2011, at a similar point in his first term and the last time Pew conducted this poll.

COMMENT:-

Naturally, since the pollsters didn't ask every single American (especially you) what there opinion was the results are completely invalid.

Right?

PS - An interesting analysis of the data has suggested that the increase in Mr. Trump's popularity amongst Republicans could potentially be due to the fact that Republicans who formerly supported Mr. Trump and who no longer do so are not "self-identifying" as Republicans right now.

How that would work is:


  1. Assume that there are 200 people 50% of whom "self-identify" as "X" and of those 100 60 support "Y". That means that "Y" has the support of 60% of those who "self-identify" as "X".
  2. Now assume that there are 200 people 40% of whom "self-identify" as "X" and of those 80 60 support "Y". That means that "Y" has the support of 75% of those who "self-identify" as "X".
  3. That means that the support for "Y" amongst those who "self-identify" as "X" has increased - even though there has been no actual change in the support for "Y" when you consider the entire 200 people.


In other articles Mr. Trump is loudly proclaiming that his support amongst Republicans is the highest that any President has ever had (aside from the fact that that simply isn't true) the question is "Is Mr. Trump merely the same sized frog in a smaller pond?".

PPS - The linked poll has some reasonably interesting demographic breakdowns of the data for those who are interested in doing more than skimming the surface.
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I think the greatest Obama achievement was the transition to the START of a Renewable Energy economy. Over 3 million homeowners have installed solar PV systems. Wind energy is about to surpass coal in capacity. This was a visionary, incredible accomplishment.
 
ChezC3 said:
Yes, yes, since you don't understand, can't comprehend, are unable to fathom Obama was and is a big piece of ****, you're lashing out....I understand completely..
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You are again betraying ignorance and partisanship. Thanks for proving my point.
 
prometeus said:
You are again betraying ignorance and partisanship. Thanks for proving my point.
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Yes, yes, Obama blows dog but, you're into that, so it's OK...I get it, I get it...:roll:
 
Fledermaus said:
Annnnnnnnnnnnnd?

Bin Laden determined to strike the US....

You do understand the US is a big place.

So, where, when, who, what method of attack?

And why didn't Clinton act on this information?
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Clinton did. He protected the US during his term. Bush didn't
 
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