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GOP Withdraws Support For New Jersey Candidate Who Railed Against Diversity, Touted White Nationalis

Phys251 said:
#notmypresident



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How soon they forget that Obama and Clinton weren’t their Presidents. They’ve been pining for a 2nd civil war, the shooting variety, for a quarter century.

Supporters of dt—delirious tremors—are too stupid to realize they won the electoral civil war this decade at the ballot box. Purity progs, libs, and other demwits own REDMAP 2010 and this disastrous trifecta we have due to their idiotic voting patterns.
 
Phys251 said:
Your president was endorsed by the KKK.
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delirious tremors, and his disastrous tariffs, did not disown mainstays of the goPC base; KKKs, neo-nazis, and other alt-reichist ‘fine people’; until after the Southern primaries.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Au contraire. Hillary did have something to do with this topic since you introduced the point that the KKK endorsed Trump.
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WOW, just, wow. Honestly, Howard, I am not sure if you even care that YOUR president who YOU support was endorsed by the KKK.

Trump is the KKK-endorsed president. Time for you and your tribe to accept that already.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Being endorsed by a group does not mean that person being endorsed also endorses them. In fact Trump has repeatedly disavowed the KKK and white supremacists.
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What are you talking about? He called them "very fine people" and retweeted their propaganda.
 
Hatuey said:
Don't you get it? National Socialist is not an ideology, it's like a thing that only existed from 1939 to 1945. Never you mind that various registered National Socialist parties exist in the US. Those guys aren't real nazis because only the only real nazis are the ones who marched Jews to the ovens. The millions of other nazis who did everything from factory work to fighting in the frontlines thousands of miles away from Auswitch dont count.

You know, kind of like the only real KKK members are the ones lynching people. All of the other hooded guys don't count.

Something something, white genocide.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
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Nevertheless, with all the paid trolling from the Right about how Hitler was a liberal, and how Nazis weren't fascist but instead "socialists", you'd think that American Nazis would try running as Democrats, not Republicans...but for some reason they keep showing up at the wrong rallies and running for office with the wrong party.
 
Phys251 said:
WOW, just, wow. Honestly, Howard, I am not sure if you even care that YOUR president who YOU support was endorsed by the KKK.

Trump is the KKK-endorsed president. Time for you and your tribe to accept that already.
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Who is my "tribe?" Is that some sort of insult to Native Americans? I didn't even vote for Trump, but I sure as hell would never have voted for his opponent.

I suggest you cool it with the "tribe" stuff.

That kind of dog whistle isn't appreciated these days.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Actually it was two days.
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Two days, one week, whatever. He should have rejected the endorsement as soon as he learned of it.

And the next clip is all the times he has disavowed white supremacists and David Duke over the years.

You need to stop listening to one side only and start doing your own research.
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"On many sides, on many sides."
 
HowardBThiname said:
Who is my "tribe?" Is that some sort of insult to Native Americans? I didn't even vote for Trump, but I sure as hell would never have voted for his opponent.
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And yet you defend tRump left and right.

I suggest you cool it with the "tribe" stuff.

That kind of dog whistle isn't appreciated these days.
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LMAO, excellent projection! I love it! 10/10. :clap:
 
White nationalism is idiotic - only civic nationalism is acceptable
 
Phys251 said:
Two days, one week, whatever. He should have rejected the endorsement as soon as he learned of it.



"On many sides, on many sides."
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And then there was the time he said he doesn't know who David Duke is or what 'white supremacy' is.









But clearly, we must be partisan hacks or whatever if we don't treat "both sides" (team Trump's deny/deflect/lie routine) as equally valid, or something.
 
Phys251 said:
And yet you defend tRump left and right.
LMAO, excellent projection! I love it! 10/10. :clap:
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We’ve got one of those gop nazis running in Illinois also, against DINO Lipinski in the CD-03. I supported the progress—ive Newman in the Dem primary in this one.

Lipinski’s turnout is always terrible, hurting statewide Dems; gave us Gov. Rauner in 2014. Gutierrez has had bad turnout in CD-04 also, though Chuy Lopez should help this year. He lost to Rahm for mayor.

There are backfires from gerrymandering, blue or red. This could help demmies in red states also.
 
Phys251 said:
Two days, one week, whatever. He should have rejected the endorsement as soon as he learned of it.



"On many sides, on many sides."
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Yes. On many sides. Are you one of those people who think that just because someone doesn't think like you they are automatically bad people? Do you think that everyone that was at what happened at Charlottesville agreed with what people on their side of the fence did with regards to the violence? Despite what you've been told the answer to that question would by "no". Try looking at more than one side.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Yes. On many sides.
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So people who protest against Nazis are just as bad as Nazis. Got it.

Are you one of those people who think that just because someone doesn't think like you they are automatically bad people?
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That is such a stupid question that I am not even going to give the rest of your post the time of day.

Get back to me when you're ready to have a decent conversation.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Yes. On many sides. Are you one of those people who think that just because someone doesn't think like you they are automatically bad people?
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I happen to believe anyone who chooses to march in a white nationalism rally organized by a known and admitted white nationalist (read: racist) is automatically a bad person.

How about you?

Do you think that everyone that was at what happened at Charlottesville agreed with what people on their side of the fence did with regards to the violence? Despite what you've been told the answer to that question would by "no". Try looking at more than one side.
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Do you think everyone who chose to march in Richard Spencer's rally in Charlottesville agreed in general with his message?
 
Slyfox696 said:
I happen to believe anyone who chooses to march in a white nationalism rally organized by a known and admitted white nationalist (read: racist) is automatically a bad person.

How about you?

Do you think everyone who chose to march in Richard Spencer's rally in Charlottesville agreed in general with his message?
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Have you ever heard the phrase "an enemy of my enemy is my friend"? Believe it or not people can march against the removal of those statues for reasons other than racism. Oh wait...anyone that does not support their removal are automatically racists right? Isn't that the mantra? Good to know that anyone that spews that mantra loves to paint a whole group of people with the same broad brush. Funny thing is I would bet those same people that spew that mantra would be offended if anyone did the same thing to an ideology that they support.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Have you ever heard the phrase "an enemy of my enemy is my friend"? Believe it or not people can march against the removal of those statues for reasons other than racism.
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They can also organize other marches of their own. But those people chose to march in a rally of blatant racists.

So please answer my question. I'll post it again:

"I happen to believe anyone who chooses to march in a white nationalism rally organized by a known and admitted white nationalist (read: racist) is automatically a bad person.

How about you?"

Oh wait...anyone that does not support their removal are automatically racists right?
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No, anyone who chooses to march in a racist rally, organized by a self-professed racist, however, tend to be automatically thought of as racist.

We don't agree often, but I enjoy posting with you Kal'Stang. That's the honest truth. But your position on this is not a good one.

Isn't that the mantra? Good to know that anyone that spews that mantra loves to paint a whole group of people with the same broad brush.
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Yeah, it's amazing...you choose to march alongside racists in a rally organized by a racist and suddenly people think your racist.

What HAS the world come to? ;)

Funny thing is I would bet those same people that spew that mantra would be offended if anyone did the same thing to an ideology that they support.
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I'm not talking about the violence. I can buy your argument that people who showed up to march in that rally, on both sides, do not agree with the violence and that saying all the people there were violent because of the actions of a few is wrong. But what I will not agree with is that anyone who knowingly chose to march in a rally of racists, organized by racists, would disagree with the racism. Those people who marched in that rally did so knowing they were marching in a rally of racists. It wasn't a secret, it wasn't a surprise...it was a considered and intentional act.

If you support Confederate statues, then find or organize another rally to march in. But when you choose to march with racists, then you are condoning racism, if not acknowledging that characteristic in yourself.
 
Due to your considered reply I'm going to reduce the quote from your post to your question if you don't mind as I find no objection to the rest of it.

Slyfox696 said:
They can also organize other marches of their own. But those people chose to march in a rally of blatant racists.

So please answer my question. I'll post it again:

"I happen to believe anyone who chooses to march in a white nationalism rally organized by a known and admitted white nationalist (read: racist) is automatically a bad person.

How about you?"
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Depends on the circumstances. Generally yes, I would say that they were automatically bad people. But in the case of Charlottesville I don't think that. I think that there were people there that were genuinely against the removal of the statues for reasons other than racism. And those people marched with the white supremacists only because there was a common goal. To keep the statues. There is greater power in numbers after all. I do think that they made the wrong call to march with them as it tainted what they wanted. But no, I don't think that everyone at the Charlottesville protests were bad people. Be it on the white supremacist side or the antifa side.

Please note that when I say "white supremacist side" and "antifa side" I'm talking about everyone that had the same goals regarding the statue. Not actual white supremacists or antifa. Those two groups ARE bad. The people that marched with them however? Not necessarily. I just used those labels for brevity as I'm not sure how to categorize the ones outside of those two actual groups yet had the same goals regarding the statues.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Due to your considered reply I'm going to reduce the quote from your post to your question if you don't mind as I find no objection to the rest of it.

Depends on the circumstances. Generally yes, I would say that they were automatically bad people. But in the case of Charlottesville I don't think that. I think that there were people there that were genuinely against the removal of the statues for reasons other than racism. And those people marched with the white supremacists only because there was a common goal. To keep the statues. There is greater power in numbers after all. I do think that they made the wrong call to march with them as it tainted what they wanted. But no, I don't think that everyone at the Charlottesville protests were bad people. Be it on the white supremacist side or the antifa side.
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I appreciate this response and I suppose we can leave it at an agree to disagree.

In my mind, ends rarely justify means on anything of importance. If you want to keep statues, but don't support racists, you should not march with racists. In my opinion, that's a matter of integrity. This isn't a minor deal. It's not like a woman wearing heels to appear taller or something (sorry, I know that's a HORRIBLE example, but it's late and I'm not able to think of a better one). There are times where means to an end can maybe be overlooked.

This isn't one of those times, not in my opinion. Everyone knows the horror Nazis and the KKK inflicted on minorities. Everyone knows our country's ugly past with racism. Everyone knows there are people who want to return to that. I can understand wanting Confederate statues (well, I can't, but I understand why some would), but marching alongside self-proclaimed racists, and all they stand for with respect to history, is simply not something which can be overlooked. At the very least, if they were not "bad people", they certainly weren't "good people" during the march.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I appreciate this response and I suppose we can leave it at an agree to disagree.

In my mind, ends rarely justify means on anything of importance. If you want to keep statues, but don't support racists, you should not march with racists. In my opinion, that's a matter of integrity. This isn't a minor deal. It's not like a woman wearing heels to appear taller or something (sorry, I know that's a HORRIBLE example, but it's late and I'm not able to think of a better one). There are times where means to an end can maybe be overlooked.

This isn't one of those times, not in my opinion. Everyone knows the horror Nazis and the KKK inflicted on minorities. Everyone knows our country's ugly past with racism. Everyone knows there are people who want to return to that. I can understand wanting Confederate statues (well, I can't, but I understand why some would), but marching alongside self-proclaimed racists, and all they stand for with respect to history, is simply not something which can be overlooked. At the very least, if they were not "bad people", they certainly weren't "good people" during the march.
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Believe me, I understand your point of view. It's an understandable one after all. But you're right, we'll have to agree to disagree, at least on this instance. :) Believe it or not I actually agree with you more than you think. :)
 
While this thread has wondered off in the weeds, the core idea remains.
The main political parties should not support candidates who are extremists and promote violence.
One party has demonstrated the moral backbone to actually withdraw support from a candidate.
I wonder if the other party will also?
 
Renae said:
BLM, La Raza, ANTIFA....
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like all parties there are nutters out there and im damn sure the left has them, ive seen them myself but what you were asked for you havent provided any examples of. You were asked for canidates upporting racist groups... you named groups that arent even racist and one i dont know about LMAO

BLM - factually not racist white people belong to it along with republicans LMAO
La Raza - i dont know who they are but are they FACTUALLY racists? and who supports them?
ANTIFA - seems like a bunch of loons to me but again not racist

did you not understand the question at all?

again i have no doubt there are nutters on both sides but what was asked and what you supplied made no freaking sense, try again LMAO
 
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