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Trump claims Germany 'totally controlled' by Russia

TU Curmudgeon

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From ABC News

Trump claims Germany 'totally controlled' by Russia
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In a combative start to his NATO visit, President Donald Trump asserted Wednesday that a pipeline project has made Germany "totally controlled" by and "captive to Russia" and blasted allies' defense spending, opening what was expected to be a fraught summit with a list of grievances involving American allies.

Trump, in a testy exchange with NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg, took issue with the U.S. protecting Germany as it strikes deals with Russia.


"I have to say, I think it's very sad when Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia where we're supposed to be guarding against Russia," Trump said at breakfast with Stoltenberg. "We're supposed to protect you against Russia but they're paying billions of dollars to Russia and I think that's very inappropriate."


The president appeared to be referring to the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that would bring gas from Russia to Germany's northeastern Baltic coast, bypassing Eastern European nations like Poland and Ukraine and doubling the amount of gas Russia can send directly to Germany. The vast undersea pipeline is opposed by the U.S. and some other EU members, who warn it could give Moscow greater leverage over Western Europe.

COMMENT:-

This article is totally "Fake News" and you will find the REAL **T*R*U*T*H** at "Trump: Relations with Germany are 'tremendous'".
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He makes a good point. I look forward to the counter arguments on this one.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From ABC News

Trump claims Germany 'totally controlled' by Russia
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In a combative start to his NATO visit, President Donald Trump asserted Wednesday that a pipeline project has made Germany "totally controlled" by and "captive to Russia" and blasted allies' defense spending, opening what was expected to be a fraught summit with a list of grievances involving American allies.

Trump, in a testy exchange with NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg, took issue with the U.S. protecting Germany as it strikes deals with Russia.


"I have to say, I think it's very sad when Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia where we're supposed to be guarding against Russia," Trump said at breakfast with Stoltenberg. "We're supposed to protect you against Russia but they're paying billions of dollars to Russia and I think that's very inappropriate."


The president appeared to be referring to the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that would bring gas from Russia to Germany's northeastern Baltic coast, bypassing Eastern European nations like Poland and Ukraine and doubling the amount of gas Russia can send directly to Germany. The vast undersea pipeline is opposed by the U.S. and some other EU members, who warn it could give Moscow greater leverage over Western Europe.

COMMENT:-

This article is totally "Fake News" and you will find the REAL **T*R*U*T*H** at "Trump: Relations with Germany are 'tremendous'".
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Such high drama.
We have a president who isn't afraid to say it like it is....Russia is getting richer because Germany and the EU are dependent upon them for survival and yet, we are supposed to believe that Russia is to be feared.

Trump called out the hypocrisy of the EU rather succinctly... Pay up!
"I have to say, I think it's very sad when Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia where we're supposed to be guarding against Russia," Trump said at breakfast with Stoltenberg. "We're supposed to protect you against Russia but they're paying billions of dollars to Russia and I think that's very inappropriate."
 
"Trump claims Germany 'totally controlled' by Russia"


Of course they are.

If your major oil and gas supply depends on another country, how much leverage do you have against that country if you don't agree with what that country might be doing to another country?

Besides, how are sanctions supposed to "hurt" a country when you're buying their most prized possessions?

Let's see how fast panzers move once the oil supply is cut off ...
 
Struggling to see what the issue here is.

Germany gets between 50-75% of their natural gas from Russia

"Ultimately, Germany will have almost 70% of their country controlled by Russia with natural gas, so you tell me - is that appropriate? Germany is totally controlled by Russia because they will be getting from 60 to 70 percent of their energy from Russia, and a new pipeline, and you tell me if that's appropriate because I think it's not and I think it's a very bad thing for NATO. If you look at it, Germany is a captive of Russia. They got rid of their coal plants, they got rid of their nuclear, they're getting so much of their oil and gas from Russia. I think it is something NATA has to look at."
 
Barnacle said:
"Trump claims Germany 'totally controlled' by Russia"


Of course they are.

If your major oil and gas supply depends on another country, how much leverage do you have against that country if you don't agree with what that country might be doing to another country?
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Gosh, I guess that that means that the United States of America is "totally controlled" by the "Canada/Saudi Axis of Evil" - eh wot?
 
So.. since the US gets 40% of its oil from Canada and 11% for Saudi Arabia.. that must mean they control the US?

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Barnacle said:
"Trump claims Germany 'totally controlled' by Russia"


Of course they are.

If your major oil and gas supply depends on another country, how much leverage do you have against that country if you don't agree with what that country might be doing to another country?

Besides, how are sanctions supposed to "hurt" a country when you're buying their most prized possessions?

Let's see how fast panzers move once the oil supply is cut off ...
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No problem. When NAFTA dies officially all that Canadian oil that the US currently gets for Canadian domestic prices will go on the world market. I'm sure Germany isn't the only country that will appreciate a safe, secure, non-OPEC source.
 
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TU Curmudgeon said:
You might want to take a look at some real numbers HERE.
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Your chart proves my point. Germany can afford it.

Trump was right to suggest that "countries not only meet their commitment of 2 percent of their G.D.P. on defense spending, but that they increase it to 4 percent my point."
 
Samhain said:
Germany gets between 50-75% of their natural gas from Russia

"Ultimately, Germany will have almost 70% of their country controlled by Russia with natural gas, so you tell me - is that appropriate? Germany is totally controlled by Russia because they will be getting from 60 to 70 percent of their energy from Russia, and a new pipeline, and you tell me if that's appropriate because I think it's not and I think it's a very bad thing for NATO. If you look at it, Germany is a captive of Russia. They got rid of their coal plants, they got rid of their nuclear, they're getting so much of their oil and gas from Russia. I think it is something NATA has to look at."
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I was looking all over but wasn't able to find the announcement by the US government that it was going to be building a pipeline to supply Germany with gas and oil.

I'm sure that you have a link to that announcement and didn't include it in your post by accident. Can I have it please?

PS - Without providing some specific, practicable, timely substitute for the Russian gas, what Mr. Trump's position is (in essence) is "You suckers cab simply freeze to death and shut down all of your industries the way that we should have made you do after we beat you in WWII - and that applies to every other country in Europe because those countries stood aside with their thumbs up until America took the lead and defeated Nazi Germany single-handedly."

This position is as likely to fly as lead balloons filled with sand.
 
PeteEU said:
So.. since the US gets 40% of its oil from Canada and 11% for Saudi Arabia.. that must mean they control the US?

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US domestic energy production accounts for 90% of total usage.

Germany's domestic energy production accounts for only 36.5% of their total usage(lowest in the EU).

The EU overall is a net-importer of energy( 46.4% domestic vs 53.6% imported )

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-dependence-imported-fossil-fuels
 
PeteEU said:
So.. since the US gets 40% of its oil from Canada and 11% for Saudi Arabia.. that must mean they control the US?

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Yep - that's the way it looks.

Mind you, the US gets one heck of a lot more than 40% of its Potash (essential to the American Agricultural Industry) from Canada and cutting off people's food works a lot better than cutting off their heat in the traditional first step in "winning the hearts and minds" of a country.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
I was looking all over but wasn't able to find the announcement by the US government that it was going to be building a pipeline to supply Germany with gas and oil.

I'm sure that you have a link to that announcement and didn't include it in your post by accident. Can I have it please?

PS - Without providing some specific, practicable, timely substitute for the Russian gas, what Mr. Trump's position is (in essence) is "You suckers cab simply freeze to death and shut down all of your industries the way that we should have made you do after we beat you in WWII - and that applies to every other country in Europe because those countries stood aside with their thumbs up until America took the lead and defeated Nazi Germany single-handedly."

This position is as likely to fly as lead balloons filled with sand.
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I'm sure the position of NATO is to not be reliant on non-members for important resources like energy. Perhaps Germany should re-invest in nuclear plants, sold by US companies?
 
Trump trolling yet again. Saying things about others that are true of him.
 
I am absolutely confused again. I was looking my liberal/progressive playbook and it says if Russia sells energy to Germany, then they are a good guy. I looked in my Republican playbook and it says Russia is not a NATO ally...so enemy. I am effing confused.

Is Russia a good witch or a bad witch today?
 
Grand Mal said:
No problem. When NAFTA dies officially all that Canadian oil that the US currently gets for Canadian domestic prices will go on the world market. I'm sure Germany isn't the only country that will appreciate a safe, secure, non-OPEC source.
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The Canadians would never DARE to raise the price they charge for oil and wouldn't even think of selling it to any country other than the United States of America at subsidized prices even if some other country were to offer to pay more.

Why that would be unAmerican and wouldn't be in the best interests of the United States of America and besides Canada has vast stockpiles of WMD (which the US government knows the locations of) and is hiding Osama bin Laden (that so-called "news item" about how he had been tracked down and killed while that so-called "President" [Barack HUSSEIN Obama was illegally living in government rent subsidized housing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue] was **f*a*k*e** **n*e*w*s**) so that he can lead al-Kittykat on another nuclear terrorist attack on the United States of America the same as he did on 07 DEC 41.
 
What a moron! Honestly.....does anyone take this buffoon seriously?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Gosh, I guess that that means that the United States of America is "totally controlled" by the "Canada/Saudi Axis of Evil" - eh wot?
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Gosh, it isn't like Russia hasn't already blackmailed Europe over gas exports before.

Ukraine crisis: Putin will cut gas to Europe unless Russia is paid by the end of the week
The Russian President likened Ukraine's decision not to supply rebel forces with gas to 'genocide'


Vladimir Putin at a natural gas pipeline in Vladivostok in Russia’s far east in 2011 ( Getty Images )
Europe could face a gas crisis at the end of the week, with Russian President Vladimir Putin threatening to stop supply to Ukraine unless it receives advance payment.

The 147 billion cubic metres of gas Russia last year delivered to Europe represented about a third of the continent's needs, and 40 per cent of that arrived via Ukraine.

Putin yesterday claimed that, as stipulated in the Kiev-Moscow energy contract hashed out late last year, Russian gas giant Gazprom "will suspend deliveries" if it is not prepaid.He said: "This may create a threat to transit to Europe, to our European partners.


"We hope that gas supplies will not be interrupted. But this does not depend only on us, it depends on the financial discipline of our Ukrainian partners."

Around the time of the annexation of Crimea, Russia turned off the gas to Ukraine, the third time it has done so in the last 10 years.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-the-week-10071475.html?origin=internalSearch
 
Grand Mal said:
No problem. When NAFTA dies officially all that Canadian oil that the US currently gets for Canadian domestic prices will go on the world market. I'm sure Germany isn't the only country that will appreciate a safe, secure, non-OPEC source.
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Good luck with that ... :lol:
 
Samhain said:
US domestic energy production accounts for 90% of total usage.

Germany's domestic energy production accounts for only 36.5% of their total usage(lowest in the EU).

The EU overall is a net-importer of energy( 46.4% domestic vs 53.6% imported )

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-dependence-imported-fossil-fuels
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Yea cause we don't have oil fields under our soil.... go figure we have to import. That's why we invest in alternative sources....

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