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Senate takes swipe at Trump with pro-NATO vote

Only if you accept your bull**** premises that are full of exaggerations and false characterizations. Almost no one accepts the nonsense you spew.

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This opportunity of the American Right to pursue becoming and being what we once fought against comes to at a great cost.

Bank on it.
 
This opportunity of the American Right to pursue becoming and being what we once fought against comes to at a great cost.

Bank on it.

And I thought it was lack of compromising by both sides.
 
This opportunity of the American Right to pursue becoming and being what we once fought against comes to at a great cost.

Bank on it.
Since the goal of conservatives is less government, your stupid characterizations lack foundation. The establishment politicians in DC abuse power far more than conservatives.

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Reread the OP plse thx.
I did. Trump is pushing for Europe to be more financially culpable about NATO. His methods still have too much madness about them, though.

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I never thought I'd see this, Democrats coming together to express solidarity and support NATO of all things, I guess opposition to Trump has to be total, even if this means endorsing a military alliance since it appears he is quite critical of it. When I was in college studying international relations, and for years as I taught the subject, the one predictable feature was that students were overwhelmingly leftist and this meant opposing everything military; military spending, interventionism, bases, nuclear weapons and certainly NATO were all highly criticized. Now we have Democrats supporting NATO because Trump thinks members of the Organization need to contribute more.
 
Go back and read the part about Germany having no other affordable choice to have natural gas!

Well, except they do in a way, as Germany is loaded with Natural gas below the surface.

But, Germany is one of those countries that has the most strict water standards in the world due to their lifeblood of wine and beer making manufacturers and exporters demanding it.

So, no fracking over there- no drilling up their beautiful landscape! They are willing to deal with Russia for gas and there is nothing really wrong with it, as they are also neighbors and should be working together.

This NATO summit to Donald Trump and Putin is not as much about breaking up NATO as it is in breaking up the European Union.

SO Donald making a big issue out of Germany buying from the Russian Pipeline was nothing more than bashing her politically to her base and firing up her opposition.

Merkel is the glue that is holding the EU together!

Donald Trump is using a que from Putin on how to manipulate elections in Germany for his own political motivations- It's pathetic!

Right, and let's ignore the percentage of their GDP spent on their own defense as well as the 45+% of their GDP due to govt. spending

The claim was that Trump is in Putin's pocket when the reality is a strong US economy, job creation, and growth in US military spending doesn't benefit Russia at all but this topic is about NATO ad the FACT that the US is allowing European countries to spend less on their own defense and promote socialism programs that people like you want to emulate. Making a big issue? Pointing out reality is more like it but keep diverting from the very small dollar amounts Europe pays for NATO
 
It's always amusing to see the right whinge snap off their hit and run posts. The right has no substantive answer to the fact the right has become what we once fought against and that we continue to oppose always. The bottom line here is that the commanders at the Pentagon keep seeing their boxes get checked by Putin-Trump. When the time comes for 'em to act to restore democracy, sanity and order, they will act. You can bet the farm on the fact to include all the piles of manure the right keeps shoveling.

The right raises legitimate issues whereas the left only wants to think with their heart. For so called Progressives you certainly seem to be pro military and defense. Apparently you do want the US to be the world peace force and provide for the European Defense with our tax dollars. that is bottom line. What is it about liberalism that creates partisan very poorly informed people like you?
 
Of course the meeting with Putin will be the easiest. The 2 are buddies and anything Russia does is never anti-American or bad for the America first doctrine which Trump so fervently adheres to while those treacherous fake friends in Europe are doing their best to harm America and are untrustworthy and bad bad people, not like Putin who is a delightful man.

Absolutely, stunning how the strong US economy, job creation, and rebuilding of our military is pro Putin. Guess that is liberal logic
 
And I thought it was lack of compromising by both sides.


There are many components to this.

The American Right threw compromise into the dumpster a decade ago or longer. The American Right has praised Putin since he resumed power in a second term. They love him. The American Right to include Republicans sang of Putin's strongman nature, Putin's supposed strategic genius, his supposed defense of Russia against a presumed Western aggression against Russia etc etc. Since Trump became a candidate the American Right went silent on Putin to include Russia -- except to continue to defend Russia and to try to present Russia as a new American ally. A model for America in fact.

Meanwhile our historical American allied democracies are now the bad guys of the American Right. Of course. It boils down to the reality the American Right has become what we once fought against. We won back then and we will win again, just in a different time and combination of circumstances to include the leaders on each side and the issues of the present going forward thx.

Since Putin began his second term as president of Russia the Motherwhatever the American Right led by the Republican Party has wanted the USA to become the USA of Putin. And Trump is their guy, i.e., of both Putin and his sycophants who are the American Right. This shall not stand as there is no compromise on national security and sovereignty. American Confederates tried this kind of thing before but in different ways, i.e., the civil war. They're trying it again now for Russia using cyber war and IT subterfuge.

Trying to blame both sides for taking sides is soft as a grape stuff upstairs. I cite the old adage to lead, follow or get out of the lines of fire. Either that or buy a suit of armor.
 
There are many components to this.

The American Right threw compromise into the dumpster a decade ago or longer. The American Right has praised Putin since he resumed power in a second term. They love him. The American Right to include Republicans sang of Putin's strongman nature, Putin's supposed strategic genius, his supposed defense of Russia against a presumed Western aggression against Russia etc etc. Since Trump became a candidate the American Right went silent on Putin to include Russia -- except to continue to defend Russia and to try to present Russia as a new American ally. A model for America in fact.

Meanwhile our historical American allied democracies are now the bad guys of the American Right. Of course. It boils down to the reality the American Right has become what we once fought against. We won back then and we will win again, just in a different time and combination of circumstances to include the leaders on each side and the issues of the present going forward thx.

Since Putin began his second term as president of Russia the Motherwhatever the American Right led by the Republican Party has wanted the USA to become the USA of Putin. And Trump is their guy, i.e., of both Putin and his sycophants who are the American Right. This shall not stand as there is no compromise on national security and sovereignty. American Confederates tried this kind of thing before but in different ways, i.e., the civil war. They're trying it again now for Russia using cyber war and IT subterfuge.

Trying to blame both sides for taking sides is soft as a grape stuff upstairs. I cite the old adage to lead, follow or get out of the lines of fire. Either that or buy a suit of armor.
Jesus Christ, that is a gigantic load of crap. I do not support Putin at all. Your assumptions are very wrong headed.

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I never thought I'd see this, Democrats coming together to express solidarity and support NATO of all things, I guess opposition to Trump has to be total, even if this means endorsing a military alliance since it appears he is quite critical of it. When I was in college studying international relations, and for years as I taught the subject, the one predictable feature was that students were overwhelmingly leftist and this meant opposing everything military; military spending, interventionism, bases, nuclear weapons and certainly NATO were all highly criticized. Now we have Democrats supporting NATO because Trump thinks members of the Organization need to contribute more.

Your understanding of what Democrats think is terrible. Anyway, historically speaking, Republicans were distrustful of Russia, and now they're becoming Russia's biggest fans. How the times change.
 
Right, and let's ignore the percentage of their GDP spent on their own defense as well as the 45+% of their GDP due to govt. spending

The claim was that Trump is in Putin's pocket when the reality is a strong US economy, job creation, and growth in US military spending doesn't benefit Russia at all but this topic is about NATO ad the FACT that the US is allowing European countries to spend less on their own defense and promote socialism programs that people like you want to emulate. Making a big issue? Pointing out reality is more like it but keep diverting from the very small dollar amounts Europe pays for NATO

It's been difficult, some of these EU or NATO countries have gone through some pretty tough sequesters in the recent past.

As the World Economy has improved, they are paying more now, but not because of promises to Trump! They are paying more because they worked out catch up deals with Obama already to pay more- and they are!

Patience is a virtue!
 
It's been difficult, some of these EU or NATO countries have gone through some pretty tough sequesters in the recent past.

As the World Economy has improved, they are paying more now, but not because of promises to Trump! They are paying more because they worked out catch up deals with Obama already to pay more- and they are!

Patience is a virtue!

therein lies the difference between economies and what the left wants to implement here. Europe relies mostly on govt. spending through tax dollars to run their economy thus during times of austerity they suffer greater and for a longer period of time.

You claim they are paying more, Trump has asked for 2% of GDP, please post data supporting your claims
 
Absolutely, stunning how the strong US economy, job creation, and rebuilding of our military is pro Putin. Guess that is liberal logic

Say what now? I did not mention the strong US economy, job creation and rebuilding the military industrial complex. None of those things have anything to do with my sarcastic comment that Putin never does anything Anti-American or bad for the America first doctrine of Trump.

Guess that is conservative logic? Reading up stuff in "liberal" posters stuff that they can complain about.
 
therein lies the difference between economies and what the left wants to implement here. Europe relies mostly on govt. spending through tax dollars to run their economy thus during times of austerity they suffer greater and for a longer period of time.

You claim they are paying more, Trump has asked for 2% of GDP, please post data supporting your claims

It took a few posts, but we finally agree on something! Austerity hurt some of these countries. And it was their own fault.

But, thanks to some of the world banks that took the risk to help them has paid off, and now I think these countries can get their defense spending back up where it needs to be.
 
Say what now? I did not mention the strong US economy, job creation and rebuilding the military industrial complex. None of those things have anything to do with my sarcastic comment that Putin never does anything Anti-American or bad for the America first doctrine of Trump.

Guess that is conservative logic? Reading up stuff in "liberal" posters stuff that they can complain about.

That is the problem, all those things are happening and none of them benefit Putin, strong economic growth, job creation, military spending, and reasserting our role as leader in the world. Guess that reality escapes you so by all means keep diverting from the Trump record in hopes the electorate will ignore it too
 
That is the problem, all those things are happening and none of them benefit Putin, strong economic growth, job creation, military spending, and reasserting our role as leader in the world. Guess that reality escapes you so by all means keep diverting from the Trump record in hopes the electorate will ignore it too

And the EU/Nato allies are doing things to hurt the US economy, job growth, military spending and :lamo reasserting the US role as the leader in the world :lamo.

I am sorry but Trump is doing the opposite of making the US the leader of the world again.
 
Jesus Christ, that is a gigantic load of crap. I do not support Putin at all. Your assumptions are very wrong headed.

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Since you speak for yourself I would note you and I haven't ever agreed on a post. So I would welcome the change of seeing you step out to criticize either Putin or Trump or Putin-Trump together. You do for instance ignore the fact I mentioned Trump in my post about Putin, Trump, Putin-Trump and the American Right.

I haven't today mentioned the European Right which is across the continent the newfangled Putin Vichy Right. Trump meanwhile is campaigning to destroy the government of Germany because Putin-Trump have their reasons and nefarious purposes. Putin-Trump want to clear the way in Germany for a return of extreme right rule. Germany spends one percent of GDP on its armed forces rather than the two percent Nato guideline. Very few in Germany and in Europe want to see a scaled up rearmed Germany. It would be like the USA paying to rearm a neo-Confederacy. That's a rough analogy but it serves to make a vital point.
 
Did you criticize the right wing and their idiotic propaganda when they called Obama a Socialist and Communist for 8 years? I doubt it, I'll bet you joined in.

President Trump, nor anyone who voted for him are socialists. Fascism is just another brand of socialism.
 
Trumps attitude towards NATO plays directly to Putin and his grand design to weaken the alliance. Once again Trump is being played by a dictator, except this one has even larger ramifications in the Geo political stage. Its not because Trump is a novice, its due to him ignoring his own State Dept and NOT reading his briefs. Less time on Twitter and more time hitting the books Donny !!

It could be more sinister than just ignorance. Trump could very well be doing Putin's bidding. Our shared values with the NATO nations is what the alliance is all about. Our national security should not be on the chopping block. That is really the purpose of NATO, it helps keep us secure. Instead Trump aligns himself with dictators who want to weaken and destroy us. When you are at the top, the last thing you want is to shake up the World order.
 
That is the problem, all those things are happening and none of them benefit Putin, strong economic growth, job creation, military spending, and reasserting our role as leader in the world. Guess that reality escapes you so by all means keep diverting from the Trump record in hopes the electorate will ignore it too

The Senate voted 97 to 3 in support of adding that language to the defense bill. Trump is the one who is denying reality. Trump is elevating Putin while fighting with our allies it will not end well for us.
 
Since the goal of conservatives is less government, your stupid characterizations lack foundation. The establishment politicians in DC abuse power far more than conservatives.

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When you might be prepared to discuss Putin-Trump, the American Right and Nato to include the EU let us know thx.



I did. Trump is pushing for Europe to be more financially culpable about NATO. His methods still have too much madness about them, though.

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Putin-Trump have their method to their madness. Putin-Trump have their purposes, methods, goals. Destroying Nato and the EU to include all international organizations right up to the UN is it. Commanders in the Pentagon disagree 100% and reject this 100%. Have a nice day in your limited world over there thx.
 
It's been difficult, some of these EU or NATO countries have gone through some pretty tough sequesters in the recent past.

As the World Economy has improved, they are paying more now, but not because of promises to Trump! They are paying more because they worked out catch up deals with Obama already to pay more- and they are!

Patience is a virtue!

It has nothing to do with austerity. The US partnership with and commitment to NATO has been extremely lopsided since NATO was founded nearly 70 years ago

It was justified after the war, but as the years passed it was just understood that it was our responsibility to defend our NATO partners.
If the US could spend heavily funding and maintening a military large enough to counter the Russians, our Western European allies could then spend their money on social programs and universal healthcare. They criticize the US healthcare system as inferior.. . unreal

For them it was a sweet deal. They could continue to fund their socialist initiatives while the American tax payer funded a military large enough to keep them safe.

It needs to stop now. Actually it needed to stop decades ago. We've been taken advantage of for long enough and it's time for these Nations to carry their own weight
 
Since you speak for yourself I would note you and I haven't ever agreed on a post. So I would welcome the change of seeing you step out to criticize either Putin or Trump or Putin-Trump together. You do for instance ignore the fact I mentioned Trump in my post about Putin, Trump, Putin-Trump and the American Right.

I haven't today mentioned the European Right which is across the continent the newfangled Putin Vichy Right. Trump meanwhile is campaigning to destroy the government of Germany because Putin-Trump have their reasons and nefarious purposes. Putin-Trump want to clear the way in Germany for a return of extreme right rule. Germany spends one percent of GDP on its armed forces rather than the two percent Nato guideline. Very few in Germany and in Europe want to see a scaled up rearmed Germany. It would be like the USA paying to rearm a neo-Confederacy. That's a rough analogy but it serves to make a vital point.
Merkel is destroying Germany all on her own, Trump doesn't need to push any effort to that.

I have stated multiple times that Russia did interfere through social media, but did not favor either so much as they made efforts to tear down both sides through mistrust and negative viewpoints. You don't have a clue about what I believe, as usual.

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