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El Paso cop pulls gun on group of children, arrests cameraman

dirtpoorchris said:
Sorry dude but a teenager creeping closer and closer to a cop while hes trying to make an arrest is a threat. I mean he totally should have went to pepper spray. Especially when they are screaming **** YOU PIG, **** YOU PIG.

Most of the kids were tiny little pipsqueeks but there were 1 or 2 sixteen year old teenagers.
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Sorry dude but I didn't see anything even remotely threatening in the behavior of those kids. aside from some verbal abuse and if you can't handle that then you need to find another line of work before you end up killing or hurting someone because of your own insecurities. It's a hard job and it's not for everyone or just anyone. Its too important a job to cover for anyone who demonstrates that they are not mentally fit to be handle it because that only not only the endangers officer but all of us citizens as well. There is no excuse whatsoever for his actions.
 
Peter King said:
And his grounds for arresting the person who filmed it?
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We dont know if he was arrested, He was detained, We dont know if for his safety or the safety of others. MANY of times when officers are confronted like that, the easiest thing is to detain all and then seperate and release, You dont have to "arrest" detain does not automatically mean arrest.
 
Always heard that the number one rule of proper gun use is to never aim it at something you don't intend to shoot.

This cop intended to shoot the kids and backed out last minute or he didn't remember the number one rule of proper gun ownership.

Either possibility looks pretty bad on him and he probably should be removed from this job if it's causing him so much stress he needs to point a gun at kids.
 
Exactice said:
We dont know if he was arrested, He was detained, We dont know if for his safety or the safety of others. MANY of times when officers are confronted like that, the easiest thing is to detain all and then seperate and release, You dont have to "arrest" detain does not automatically mean arrest.
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But they have no right to even detain them. they are not obstructing or anything else. And they did not "detain" or arrest any of the others that were in the officers way according to how he saw it. And it is not the first time, I have seen officers violently rip camera's, threaten people with camera's, pulled people out of cars because they were using their camera to record their own interaction with the police at a traffic stop, officers sticking their hands in front of the camera, etc. etc. etc.

Even get shot because the police did not see the difference between someone filming with a cell phone and a weapon.
 
Rogue Valley said:
If he felt threatened by 9yr old kids kids, he could always withdraw and radio for backup. You don't pull out a weapon on kids.
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He was making an arrest. Those 'kids' were getting close to the same fate.

Besides, it didn't look like they were overly fazed by his actions.
 
cuban smokes said:
U know who made this type of behavior acceptable in America ................ yep ..........
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Who made it okay for BLM to set businesses on fire and steal?
 
the cop was obviously in fear for his life so, he thought a little 'gun play' was in order

he sure is a big, tuff guy, leaning on that little kid & pushing other kids around

because of this one idiot some of those kids will grow up to be cop killers, I'm sure ...........
 
prometeus said:
You think doubling down on something as moronic as you posted is a good strategy?
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Your leaders are demanding harrassment and chaos in the streets to counter Trump and his supporters. Maybe you should concentrate on that.
 
Lutherf said:
Hmm...based on what I see in the video it doesn't look like a good move. Yeah, the cop seems to be in a situation that was tough to control but there are VERY few circumstances where pulling a firearm is warranted and trying to encourage kids to shut up and move away isn't on that list of reasons.
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I guess we should be thankful that he didn't pull the trigger.
 
Lutherf said:
You certainly have a lot of thoughts. I'd recommend going on a few ride alongs if your local department offers the opportunity. Doing so might give you some other thoughts to think about.

People are unpredictable. Some you encounter will be on drugs. Some will be hostile to you because they don't want to get locked up or because they have been taught to fear or hate cops. People that have already made a bunch of bad decisions (hence, the need for your presence) aren't particularly inclined to start making good decisions just because you're there. Approaching situations with a skeptical eye is a matter of survival. Controlling the situation is a matter of survival. The way you choose to control the situation can, if you exercise poor judgement, get you and any partners on scene in a heap of trouble or simply make the situation worse.

My take from the video is that the cop was trying to corral one kid while one or more officers on scene were engaging other participants. I don't know what made the cop feel like he needed to restrain the kid he had in cuffs and that would likely be a BIG part of his reasoning for drawing his firearm and then his baton. It may have also been the reason that the other kids were giving him so much grief.

Bottom line, we have only a tiny piece of the puzzle on which to base our opinions. The part we can see indicates that the cop probably exercised poor judgement in pulling his firearm. Probably. Beyond that all we can do is speculate.
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The call was for 'criminal trespass'

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"The initial call went out as a criminal trespassing in progress," El Paso Police Department spokesman Sgt. Enrique Carrillo said in a Saturday news conference. "The officers arrived and were handling that when they encountered the suspect involved in the criminal trespass and from there the events you witnessed in this video unfolded and that is where we are at."
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BWG said:
The call was for 'criminal trespass'
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Right. That's what the call was but we don't know why the cop felt a need to restrain the kid. We don't even know if the kid was the trespass suspect. For example, someone off camera could have been the trespass suspect and the kid in cuffs could have thrown a rock at the cop. We just don't have those facts so it's difficult to make reasonable judgements regarding the overall situation.

If the cop had the kid in cuffs because he was instigating the other kids in violent acts then that gives at least some reason for drawing the weapon. If, however, the cop put the kid in cuffs just because he was mouthing off then that act may have prompted the other kids to mouth off even more.
 
WCH said:
Your leaders are demanding harrassment and chaos in the streets to counter Trump and his supporters. Maybe you should concentrate on that.
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So now you add a moronic assumption to it. At least you are consistent.
 
WCH said:
Your leaders are demanding harrassment and chaos in the streets to counter Trump and his supporters. Maybe you should concentrate on that.
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Then hold town halls so they can be confronted in a public forum, more akin to your comfort level.
 
Peter King said:
But they have no right to even detain them. they are not obstructing or anything else. And they did not "detain" or arrest any of the others that were in the officers way according to how he saw it. And it is not the first time, I have seen officers violently rip camera's, threaten people with camera's, pulled people out of cars because they were using their camera to record their own interaction with the police at a traffic stop, officers sticking their hands in front of the camera, etc. etc. etc.

Even get shot because the police did not see the difference between someone filming with a cell phone and a weapon.
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Yes we have hundreds of videos where the camera person is detained or camera ripped from their hands. Its SO easy to critique this situation from top to bottom, does this situation warrant an uprising and screaming for firing? Or is this one of those bad days by the cop bad choice by the cop and remedial training. Out of the Hundreds of videos on Facebook and youtube of cops ripping phones and detaining camera people, did they get fired or civil cases brought against the department. Its likely some slap on the wrist..... If you dont want that to happen, Dont record or record from a safe distance where the officer wont feel threatened.

Secondly, realistically how annoy would it be if someone came to your job and stood there in front of your face and recorded your every action while everyone around you is goading you.

We say LEO needs to act in ways above the norm yet, people act like complete @$$holes when interacting with LEO. Look at the people and the kids at how they were screaming at the cop. I WONT condone the missteps the LEO made, BUT he made corrective actions and considering held his composure. If he started tasering and gassing everyone then we could say it was over the top.....

critique away...but until you are walking the streets and deal with this crap on a daily basis all we do is arm chair quarter back
 
Exactice said:
Yes we have hundreds of videos where the camera person is detained or camera ripped from their hands. Its SO easy to critique this situation from top to bottom, does this situation warrant an uprising and screaming for firing? Or is this one of those bad days by the cop bad choice by the cop and remedial training. Out of the Hundreds of videos on Facebook and youtube of cops ripping phones and detaining camera people, did they get fired or civil cases brought against the department. Its likely some slap on the wrist..... If you dont want that to happen, Dont record or record from a safe distance where the officer wont feel threatened.

Secondly, realistically how annoy would it be if someone came to your job and stood there in front of your face and recorded your every action while everyone around you is goading you.

We say LEO needs to act in ways above the norm yet, people act like complete @$$holes when interacting with LEO. Look at the people and the kids at how they were screaming at the cop. I WONT condone the missteps the LEO made, BUT he made corrective actions and considering held his composure. If he started tasering and gassing everyone then we could say it was over the top.....

critique away...but until you are walking the streets and deal with this crap on a daily basis all we do is arm chair quarter back
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Well the cops who arrested the camera man for no reason, definitely should be fired. Hes a state agent and taking peoples rights away. And pulling the gun, if there is no footage of one of the kids charging him from the other direction we cant see on cam then he also needs to be fired before he shoots an angry, nonviolent person out of stress.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Well the cops who arrested the camera man for no reason, definitely should be fired. Hes a state agent and taking peoples rights away. And pulling the gun, if there is no footage of one of the kids charging him from the other direction we cant see on cam then he also needs to be fired before he shoots an angry, nonviolent person out of stress.
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We do NOT know if he was arrested, Detained is NOT the same as arrested, Arrested means you are charged with a crime.

Secondly he did indeed pull his gun, But this is NOT an indication of a firing, MANY of times Firearms are pulled. THAT IS NOT a CRIME, nor even an indication of firing. It was a bad judgement.

You dont NEED someone to charge you to feel threatened and or feel a sense of escalated threat. The fact that there were multiple threat multipliers in play ( Multiple people, a detained individual on the ground, a camera operator, a women running back and forward of him during his detaining of the individual on the ground, the yelling and obscenities used at the LEO) force multiplier increased dramatically. The Officer felt threatened at that moment and pulled his firearm, realized likely that was too high as an escalation, re holstered and then pulled his baton.

pretty good self control while pulling the firearm was a bad move, outside of that.... to scream firing "just" because there was kids... you guys are so hasty critiques, you all need to go on a street patrol and see how it really is..... gawd....
 
WCH said:
With their law breaking parents. Get off your high horse.
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No, there are actual children in court without a parent or lawyer present. And you people just nod your heads.
 
Deuce said:
No, there are actual children in court without a parent or lawyer present. And you people just nod your heads.
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There were no kids under 5 alone in a courtroom. Those stayed with the parents.

You are going to have to prove the older ones weren't represented.
 
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