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Mexican Election Results

Khayembii Communique said:
More than 100 political candidates were murdered in the latest round of Mexican elections. The country is more unstable than Iraq at this point because of drug cartels. If the US is so interested in stemming the tide of illegal immigration then they should be providing massive amounts of assistance to the Mexican government to fight the cartels and legalize the products the cartels rely on.

Legalizing marijuana at the federal level is a big no-brainer at this point. Cocaine and heroin are more controversial but the discussion should definitely be had.
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Assistance to the government is always a dicey proposition because it usually ends up in money being poorly spent. I'll be curious to see what AMLO's solution to the cartels will be because they have a long reach and have infiltrated government at the deepest levels. The US sorting itself out is part of the solution because if you greatly reduce the demand of illegal product, it will have a significant impact. I'm hoping he will take a balanced approach toward meeting his platform items, because you may want to help the poor but you need a stable means of paying for it otherwise it is not sustainable. Funding social programs without the financial elites to put a price on your head is the other balancing act.
 
VanceMack said:
Wait...wait...are you HONESTLY claiming the results of this election will lead the country of Mexico to an economic boom and national bliss?

Mind you...I think that would be great...but...3 years from now...care to put a wager on whether or not they are in better or woirse shape 3 years from now?
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yes, i will want that wager
 
The Mark said:
Probably not, he'll need that money and more to do the things he campaigned on.
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apologies for my failure to add a sarcasm icon
 
justabubba said:
yes, i will want that wager
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Sweet. We will both be excited to see socialism fix the ****hole nations ailments. Hell...who knows...maybe those 20-30 million illegals will go back home. Be proud to be IN mejico instead of being proud to be FROM mejico.
 
The Mark said:
Why?

Who's going to stop them?
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appears he has not figured out that a paid off congress is the subcontractor

but to be fair, we have the best government money can buy
 
VanceMack said:
Yes...I know. Reality is boring. Facts...meh.

Mexico · Population below poverty line
52.3%

Widespread causes of poverty

The causes and effects of poverty in Mexico are rooted in the country’s poor ratings in all sorts of fields:

Poor infrastructure
Inefficient institutions and bureaucracy
Corruption
Education
Labor market efficiency (and the size of the black market)
Innovation (and many other issues)

It gets worse.

In the face of such obvious reality, one cant wonder WTF you think you are trying to accomplish by making the ridiculous comments you are making.
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Sounds like Mississippi.
 
Great! Now our neighbors to the south and the north have better leaders than the US!

That's a first!
 
fishnthec said:
Great! Now our neighbors to the south and the north have better leaders than the US!

That's a first!
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I don't know about Mexico, but I thought Canada had things pretty well in hand for awhile now.
 
Excon said:
1. https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...xico-leftist-lopez-orador-wins-landslide.html

2. He is a danger to the US for the following reason.

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Mexican presidential candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) declared mass immigration to the United States a “human right” for all North Americans during a speech Tuesday.

“And soon, very soon — after the victory of our movement — we will defend all the migrants in the American continent and all the migrants in the world,” Obrador said, adding that immigrants “must leave their towns and find a life in the United States.”
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Mexican Presidential Candidate Calls Mass Migration To US A ‘Human Right’



Apparently he thinks he is going to push his country's problems on to the US. Just further reason to build a wall.
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Agreed.
Mexico is nearly a failed state, with the drug cartels running rough shod over the legal system, and there's no reason to import any of that into the US.
A border wall is required.
A border wall is prudent.

And I don't care about who ends up paying for it.
 
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apdst said:
Mexico will collapse like Venezuala and there will be a human flood flowing north.
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This being the legitimate concern.
How are Venezuela's neighbors doing these days?
Lots of illegal economic refugees, you say?
(Now why am I not surprised?)

There's no need to repeat the experiment with the US. It is well known what happens.
 
beefheart said:
You ever drive your own car in Mexico?
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Fill me in on the "drive your own car in Mexico" thing because I always figured that if your car is just an average POS, it's going to be left alone in MX and that the theft rings are really only interested in something that has a lot of value.

Am I wrong on this?
 
eohrnberger said:
A border wall is required.
A border wall is prudent.

And I don't care about who ends up paying for it.
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If he keeps encouraging an invasion of illegals, one can hope it is going to happen regardless of who pays for it.
 
Excon said:
If he keeps encouraging an invasion of illegals, one can hope it is going to happen regardless of who pays for it.
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The question will become not whether to build a border wall or not, but more so, how soon will it be completed? And how tall / deep into the ground is it?

Frankly, border hot spots could be identified, and sniper teams could be stationed there with a free fire rule of engagement.
I think it'd be cheaper and more effective, but whether it would be prudent, would remain to be seen. Perhaps considered if the situation gets bad enough, which it might.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Fill me in on the "drive your own car in Mexico" thing because I always figured that if your car is just an average POS, it's going to be left alone in MX and that the theft rings are really only interested in something that has a lot of value.

Am I wrong on this?
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I've never had any issues. You do have to buy Mexican insurance for the amount of time you are down there. I usually drive to Puerto Penasco, a beach area 4 hours away, or to a little beach town with killer sand dunes for buggies called El Golfo de Santa Clara.
 
eohrnberger said:
The question will become not whether to build a border wall or not, but more so, how soon will it be completed? And how tall / deep into the ground is it?
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It may get to that.

eohrnberger said:
Frankly, border hot spots could be identified, and sniper teams could be stationed there with a free fire rule of engagement.
I think it'd be cheaper and more effective, but whether it would be prudent, would remain to be seen. Perhaps considered if the situation gets bad enough, which it might.
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Unless there is a declaration of war, or shots being fired by the illegals, this isn't likely to happen.
 
Excon said:
It may get to that.

Unless there is a declaration of war, or shots being fired by the illegals, this isn't likely to happen.
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Yeah, I think you are right on that. But still. The situation might devolve into a 2nd Mexican-American war, just that Mexico is dumping it's illegal trans-migration onto the US. It's not like they don't have a strong Southern border, I hear it's tall and deep wall as well, as seems to be working as a deterrent.

Perhaps the US should mirror Mexico's immigration policy and statues and enforcement? Just an idea, as it would keep things more equal.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Fill me in on the "drive your own car in Mexico" thing because I always figured that if your car is just an average POS, it's going to be left alone in MX and that the theft rings are really only interested in something that has a lot of value. Am I wrong on this?
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Mexico is an upper-middle class country. When you're in the right parts - there's significant wealth to be thrown around.

I have a team that reports to me in our Guadalajara office. I catch dinner with the management whenever I'm down there. They drive all European imports: Mercedes, Audis, BMWs, etc.

Which I don't think it's crazy for them to drive luxury cars because there's this worrisome risk of theft.
I think it's crazy for them to drive luxury cars, because drivers in Mexico are lunatics and the congestion brings out a free-for-all.
 
eohrnberger said:
Perhaps the US should mirror Mexico's immigration policy and statues and enforcement?
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There is definitely a need to change our laws, especially to be more merit based and to define the 14th's Citizenship clause as only applying to African Americans as intended or only to those legally in the Country.


Interesting.
I just saw Trump with Prime Minister of the Netherlands.
Apparently he suggests that Mexico could help us with immigration given their own strong immigration laws.



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Khayembii Communique said:
More than 100 political candidates were murdered in the latest round of Mexican elections. The country is more unstable than Iraq at this point because of drug cartels. If the US is so interested in stemming the tide of illegal immigration then they should be providing massive amounts of assistance to the Mexican government to fight the cartels and legalize the products the cartels rely on.
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Nah, not true. Parts of Mexico are fantastically dangerous: the southern Pacific-coastal states (like Guerrero), and the northeast/north-central states that border the US (like Chihauhau).

Additionally most Mexicans don't live in those areas. If you look at a map, the most populous areas stretch from Veracruz on the Caribbean, northwest to Mexico City over to Guadalajara, Jalisco.

Which is why it's easy for national Mexico politicians to ignore the bad areas; and all that corruption and violence that occurs in rural / less populous areas.
 
brothern said:
Mexico is an upper-middle class country. When you're in the right parts - there's significant wealth to be thrown around.

I have a team that reports to me in our Guadalajara office. I catch dinner with the management whenever I'm down there. They drive all European imports: Mercedes, Audis, BMWs, etc.

Which I don't think it's crazy for them to drive luxury cars because there's this worrisome risk of theft.
I think it's crazy for them to drive luxury cars, because drivers in Mexico are lunatics and the congestion brings out a free-for-all.
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Yep...people who don't go to Mexico don't know Mexico...
 
VanceMack said:
An impoverished ****hole nation has empty headed citizens that vote for a 'socialist' that promises them more free ****? SHOCKING!!! Sounds just like democrats in this country.

If you need a visual as to where this will take mejico, look no further than Venezuela.
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Or France, or Germany, or Holland, etc. And take a trip to Mexico to enjoy marvelous people, great food and music, fascinating architecture and art, pyramids, etc. Glad to give you advice about great places to visit there.
 
trixare4kids said:
It's easy to see why a populist socialist was elected.
Most of citizens of MS. live below the national poverty line and earn less than $5.00 a day.
Their new president has promised massive reforms, free Internet, doubling the elderly's pensions, educational grants, minimum wage increase, and handing out subsidies for farmers and single mothers.
Here's what he expects of the U.S. He wants more from us in the way of U.S. aid and a new NAFTA treaty in hopes that it will improve their economy and alleviate poverty so Mexicans won’t have to migrate.
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How about we give them 0 aid, because I don't see them giving us any aid when we are asking for it.
 
Nickyjo said:
Or France, or Germany, or Holland, etc. And take a trip to Mexico to enjoy marvelous people, great food and music, fascinating architecture and art, pyramids, etc. Glad to give you advice about great places to visit there.
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With all that marvelous life in Mexico, it makes one wonder why Mexicans are breaking down our "doors" to escape it all ...

Don't see any French, Germans or Dutch crossing our borders illegally ... (grin)
 
Barnacle said:
With all that marvelous life in Mexico, it makes one wonder why Mexicans are breaking down our "doors" to escape it all ...

Don't see any French, Germans or Dutch crossing our borders illegally ... (grin)
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Have you ever traveled in Mexico?
 
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