• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

North Korea upped uranium enrichment in recent months: US report

Top Cat said:
I have zero problems with the attempt. I have lots of problems with Trump proclaiming Mission Accomplished and his minions wanting to pin a medal on him.

Trump got played. Yet another negotiating failure. The man is a fraud.
Click to expand...

Played in what way? What cost did any of the work with North Korea. Compare and contrast with the Iran deal.

I worked for a sales manager once who exhorted me to ask for the sale before any sales call ended.

He said it fairly crude terms noting that no guy ever got a BJ on prom night if he didn't ask for it. This conversation was completed before Clinton was in office.

Trump has been conducting a sales process in his dealings with many around the world right now in various ways pursuing various goals and using every carrot and stick he can find.

I question why everyone is so excited that he will not be able to find a pathway to the goal of peace. He might find more success if there was not the on going Greek Chorus demonstrating division and hate at home.

Why are so many delighted that finding peace is difficult? Why are so many apparently rooting for Kim to be warlike?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From al-Jazeera

North Korea upped uranium enrichment in recent months: US report
​

US intelligence agencies believe North Korea has increased production of fuel for nuclear weapons in recent months and that North Korean leader Kim Jong-un is trying to deceive the US in order to extract more concessions, NBC News has reported.

Citing more than a dozen US officials who were familiar with the intelligence assessment, NBC News Saturday reported they disagreed with US President Donald Trump's sentiment that the nuclear threat from North Korea has decreased since he had met Kim.

The officials believe Pyongyang is holding on to its nuclear weapons which "it believes are essential to survival" while "positioning itself to extract every concession it can from the Trump administration", NBC reported.

The latest intelligence assessment reportedly showed that North Korea had upped uranium enrichment while engaging in diplomacy with the US.

COMMENT:-

Obviously "Fake News" since Mr. Trump has said that there is no further reason to worry about the DPRK's "nuclear threat".
​
Click to expand...

The very firs tline of your OPO

"US intelligence agencies believe"

There is a huge difference between believing and knowing.

I want to know what is actually known and how they know it.

NK is a very closed off country. How did this information get out?
 
code1211 said:
When was the last missile launch over Japan?

You seem very happy to condemn the effort to find peace. Why?
Click to expand...

How cute. You think he was effectual in any way.
 
code1211 said:
Who was the first American President to visit the North? Maybe I missed this in the news...

Do you prefer the Obama approach of shunning and empty words over the Trump approach of engagement and exploration of various possibilities?

You seem to be consumed by motivations that you have no possible way to know or understand.
Click to expand...

As I stated, and you clearly jumped to solely celebrate, the only thing that mattered to Trump and his loyalists was his historical visit. As that was all you can bring away from this obvious show, you missed nothing. I have every possible way to know exactly what I and the world witnessed before my very eyes because I choose not to linger about within a fog of partisan politics as I shift my mood and opinion in accordance to what the orange one has in store for me today.

Hint: This is not about an Obama or a Trump approach. This is China's approach. We know this because under Obama there was three launches. Under Trump there was seventeen as he Tweeted for your entertainment and instigated almost each one. Yet, Kim visited Beijing before the Summit...and then visited Beijing after the Summit. Think.

code1211 said:
It seems like Trump is trying to emulate the model used to bring Germany and Japan into the family of nations.

In car dealer parlance, he got Kim into the car for a test drive. If Kim decides to buy the car, then good for him and the world. If not, that's his choice.

As Trump said, "We'll see." He didn't say "we'll believe" or "we'll assume". He said we'll see. It's all up to Kim now.
Click to expand...

If Trump were emulating former actual leaders, who were dealing with nations that had just unconditionally surrendered after total war, he would not have been such a buffoon in his extremely premature and moronic announcements such as:

- "There is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea" and that he has a "special bond" with Kim...

...to ten days later where he announced that...

- North Korea is "an extraordinary threat."

So, no nuclear threat to extraordinary threat in ten days? Wow just like those actual leaders who dealt with a completely devastated and defeated Germany and Japan, huh? In the mean time, US intelligence agencies were monitoring North Korea's increased production of fuel for nuclear weapons for months. And before his routine pompous act for you and the rest of the loyalists, he went ahead and promised you the moon with highly impractical and absurd dreams of denuclearizing North Korea.

But, sure, let's just wash all that reality away so that we can sum it all up as a "we'll see," which was mere damage control after looking exactly like the fool that he is.
 
code1211 said:
His comment:

"yeah, that is Trump in Duuuuuuuuuuuluth, Minnesota; I will have to say those white folks up there aint very bright.

You could give those morons a wooden nickle & they would think you just gave them a gold coin .............."

He limited the charge of Stupidity to "White Folks".

If he had not placed that identifier, it would have just been a condemnation of all people in Duluth. He seems to think that only the Whites are the non-bright.

Cuban's estimate of intelligence was race based. Ergo, racist comment.
Click to expand...

Yet, it was not about white folks in Boston or Miami. Hm....

It was about white folks in Duuuuuuuuluth (as in, "duh") who appear quite simple minded and easily manipulated in their worship of a demagogue. Looks like a white crowd to me.
 
code1211 said:
You seem to missed the topic of my post.

I noted that the hacks in our media are so incompetent and amateurish that they missed the pretty big story that the nominee for Sec of State was in negotiations with Kim.

The amateurish hacks were consumed in proclaiming that Trump was only saber rattling and creating a world crisis.

I have no idea why you took off on the tangent(s) that seem to have possessed you.

The lazy media hacks did no actual work in promoting the narrative they preferred while ignoring reality to bait the weak minded.

The point of my post was that Pompeo was laying the ground work, actually working, for an actual solution and the media missed it entirely. Apparently, you did, too.
Click to expand...

It was clearly reported, therefore they didn't miss it at all. You know about the "secret" talks, do you not? But Pompeo and Tillerson haven't been pompously parading themselves around and making idiotic statements to satisfy the moment. Trump was; and he, as well as his loyalists, ensured that this was all about him. And when the media responds to Trumps antics and poor behavior, you choose to make it the media's problem? It doesn't work that way.

The solution, as I have more than argued, is to accept that North Korea has nuclear weapons and to bring it into the international community so as to minimize or even neutralize the supposed threat (in which we created). Trump's boasts of "denuclearization" and North Korea being "no more threat" to "still an extraordinary threat" as US Intel reports continued nuclear activity is not helping.

Trump's whimsical dealings with the world is exactly why he has ambassadors quitting on him. It's why Pompeo (CIA Chief) makes stupid public comments like we need to separate the regime from the nukes and then having to defend that remark as people all over the globe (including Kim) try to figure out what he even meant. The meaning is clearly either a regime change (in which Tillerson has declared as not being the goal) or the impractical denuclearizing crap that is absolutely against Kim's interests. Pompeo looks just as clueless as Trump, no matter what the supposed "groundwork" is supposed to be. And do you know why we should not be surprised? It's because Pompeo and so many others, like the ambassadors to Estonia, to Panama, and Nairobi (all quit), have a hard time figuring out what the hell to do under the absurd Trump leadership. Trump's behavior does not compliment and is in constant contradiction to his published National Security Strategy, which leaves even our allies and diplomats guessing about how to conduct business with the White House. It's almost foreign policy by Tweet.

So, your point about Pompeo "actually laying the groundwork" to whatever they think is going to happen is not the actual story, is it? The hack and the amateur appears to sit in the Oval office.
 
code1211 said:
Played in what way? What cost did any of the work with North Korea. Compare and contrast with the Iran deal.

I worked for a sales manager once who exhorted me to ask for the sale before any sales call ended.

He said it fairly crude terms noting that no guy ever got a BJ on prom night if he didn't ask for it. This conversation was completed before Clinton was in office.

Trump has been conducting a sales process in his dealings with many around the world right now in various ways pursuing various goals and using every carrot and stick he can find.

I question why everyone is so excited that he will not be able to find a pathway to the goal of peace. He might find more success if there was not the on going Greek Chorus demonstrating division and hate at home.

Why are so many delighted that finding peace is difficult? Why are so many apparently rooting for Kim to be warlike?
Click to expand...

You seem confused when it comes to what people are saying in relation to NK. No one Wanted the talks to fail and are happy. What People are saying is I Told You So, NK had a long history of saying one thing then doing the opposite. Where trump messed up is claiming the world was safer and in giving their leader higher prestige by giving him greater status by meeting with the President. Pigs will fly before NK gives up their nukes and ICBMs, sadly trump is not smart enough to listen to his own advisors or bother to read a little History. In the end trump will just walk away from the issue, just as he does with​ anything else he failed at. Reality will finally make it's vist to your home one day, some have known from the begining that trump is unfit to run this Nation, unfortunately some of the damage cannot be fixed.
 
Casper said:
You seem confused when it comes to what people are saying in relation to NK. No one Wanted the talks to fail and are happy. What People are saying is I Told You So, NK had a long history of saying one thing then doing the opposite. Where trump messed up is claiming the world was safer and in giving their leader higher prestige by giving him greater status by meeting with the President. Pigs will fly before NK gives up their nukes and ICBMs, sadly trump is not smart enough to listen to his own advisors or bother to read a little History. In the end trump will just walk away from the issue, just as he does with​ anything else he failed at. Reality will finally make it's vist to your home one day, some have known from the begining that trump is unfit to run this Nation, unfortunately some of the damage cannot be fixed.
Click to expand...

Absolutely.
 
MSgt said:
As I stated, and you clearly jumped to solely celebrate, the only thing that mattered to Trump and his loyalists was his historical visit. As that was all you can bring away from this obvious show, you missed nothing. I have every possible way to know exactly what I and the world witnessed before my very eyes because I choose not to linger about within a fog of partisan politics as I shift my mood and opinion in accordance to what the orange one has in store for me today.

Hint: This is not about an Obama or a Trump approach. This is China's approach. We know this because under Obama there was three launches. Under Trump there was seventeen as he Tweeted for your entertainment and instigated almost each one. Yet, Kim visited Beijing before the Summit...and then visited Beijing after the Summit. Think.



If Trump were emulating former actual leaders, who were dealing with nations that had just unconditionally surrendered after total war, he would not have been such a buffoon in his extremely premature and moronic announcements such as:

- "There is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea" and that he has a "special bond" with Kim...

...to ten days later where he announced that...

- North Korea is "an extraordinary threat."

So, no nuclear threat to extraordinary threat in ten days? Wow just like those actual leaders who dealt with a completely devastated and defeated Germany and Japan, huh? In the mean time, US intelligence agencies were monitoring North Korea's increased production of fuel for nuclear weapons for months. And before his routine pompous act for you and the rest of the loyalists, he went ahead and promised you the moon with highly impractical and absurd dreams of denuclearizing North Korea.

But, sure, let's just wash all that reality away so that we can sum it all up as a "we'll see," which was mere damage control after looking exactly like the fool that he is.
Click to expand...

Obama refused to engage the leader of what he sited as the biggest threat to the US. Kind of like having a bad infection and letting it fester.

Trump did engage.

See the subtle difference?

Obama knows there are problems and hides under his bed wetting his pants while Trump actually does something to solve the problems.

I would think that a Master Sargent would prefer action to fear inspired cowering.

Obama had a record of doing little or nothing when action was demanded. It's not that he was a bad person. He just didn't seem to have a clue.

Like the time he said that the jobs are gone and they aren't coming back:

"“There’s no answer to it. He just says, ‘Well, I’m going to negotiate a better deal.’ Well, how exactly are you going to negotiate that? What magic wand do you have?” Obama asked." He charged that Trump was all talk.

Turns out it didn't take a magic wand at all. It only required a vision, a plan, some action and some guts. 263,000 manufacturing jobs added since Trump took office. Obama, sadly, did not possess the required tools to do the job.

To Obama, whatever Trump is doing to accomplish these goals probably looks like magic. Seems to look that way to you as well.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-faces-north-korean-challenge-1479855286

https://www.breitbart.com/2016-pres...ing-jobs-outsourced-mexico-arent-coming-back/

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...s-31000-jobs-january-263000-trump-took-office
 
MSgt said:
Yet, it was not about white folks in Boston or Miami. Hm....

It was about white folks in Duuuuuuuuluth (as in, "duh") who appear quite simple minded and easily manipulated in their worship of a demagogue. Looks like a white crowd to me.
Click to expand...

You seem to share both his bias and hatred.

When you spend the day spreading pig crap on a field, you stop smelling the pig crap.

It doesn't mean the stink is gone. It just gets harder and harder to wash off.

Throw Coke on anyone lately?
 
MSgt said:
It was clearly reported, therefore they didn't miss it at all. You know about the "secret" talks, do you not? But Pompeo and Tillerson haven't been pompously parading themselves around and making idiotic statements to satisfy the moment. Trump was; and he, as well as his loyalists, ensured that this was all about him. And when the media responds to Trumps antics and poor behavior, you choose to make it the media's problem? It doesn't work that way.

The solution, as I have more than argued, is to accept that North Korea has nuclear weapons and to bring it into the international community so as to minimize or even neutralize the supposed threat (in which we created). Trump's boasts of "denuclearization" and North Korea being "no more threat" to "still an extraordinary threat" as US Intel reports continued nuclear activity is not helping.

Trump's whimsical dealings with the world is exactly why he has ambassadors quitting on him. It's why Pompeo (CIA Chief) makes stupid public comments like we need to separate the regime from the nukes and then having to defend that remark as people all over the globe (including Kim) try to figure out what he even meant. The meaning is clearly either a regime change (in which Tillerson has declared as not being the goal) or the impractical denuclearizing crap that is absolutely against Kim's interests. Pompeo looks just as clueless as Trump, no matter what the supposed "groundwork" is supposed to be. And do you know why we should not be surprised? It's because Pompeo and so many others, like the ambassadors to Estonia, to Panama, and Nairobi (all quit), have a hard time figuring out what the hell to do under the absurd Trump leadership. Trump's behavior does not compliment and is in constant contradiction to his published National Security Strategy, which leaves even our allies and diplomats guessing about how to conduct business with the White House. It's almost foreign policy by Tweet.

So, your point about Pompeo "actually laying the groundwork" to whatever they think is going to happen is not the actual story, is it? The hack and the amateur appears to sit in the Oval office.
Click to expand...

The media reported the story of Pompeo's original trip to Korea AFTER he had already returned. They didn't cover the trip because they didn't know about it. It didn't fit their bias to know about it or to report it..

The rest of your post is not about that and continues to miss that point entirely. You are being duped by the reports of the events that slant the stories against Trump. In the mean time, progress goes on and the propaganda you prefer over information continues to confound you.

Trump is conducting communication using the most immediate and direct means at hand. This is revolutionary and is confusing to the stuck in the mud media types and, apparently, to you as well.

Trump's radical departure from previous communication methods is not much different than FDR using Fireside Chats or LaGuardia reading the funny papers on the radio. Modern and different is not bad just because it's modern and different.

Kim is not a nice person. He's not an idiot, either. He must understand that stripping away the military tools from tyrants has not worked well for tyrants in the recent past.

Mussolini, Hitler, Sadam and Gaddafi come to mind. If Trump can't convince Kim that he will be the leader of post Communist, South Korean-style expanding capitalistic economy, he will not be prone to denuclearize.

If you never get the buyer to sit in the car, he ain't buying the car.
 
Casper said:
You seem confused when it comes to what people are saying in relation to NK. No one Wanted the talks to fail and are happy. What People are saying is I Told You So, NK had a long history of saying one thing then doing the opposite. Where trump messed up is claiming the world was safer and in giving their leader higher prestige by giving him greater status by meeting with the President. Pigs will fly before NK gives up their nukes and ICBMs, sadly trump is not smart enough to listen to his own advisors or bother to read a little History. In the end trump will just walk away from the issue, just as he does with​ anything else he failed at. Reality will finally make it's vist to your home one day, some have known from the begining that trump is unfit to run this Nation, unfortunately some of the damage cannot be fixed.
Click to expand...

So, as Obama said, this is really, really hard so Im' just not gonna try. Is that really the best you got?

What "damage" are you referencing. Tax rates down, tax revenues up, regulations down, freedom expanding, wages up, jobs coming home from abroad, more Americans working than at any point in history, people returning to the work force from being chronically idle, personal wealth soaring and personal opportunity at the highest point in history. Doesn't sound like a lot of damage to repair.

Please provide links to the damage you cite.
 
code1211 said:
Obama refused to engage the leader of what he sited as the biggest threat to the US. Kind of like having a bad infection and letting it fester.

Trump did engage.

See the subtle difference?

Obama knows there are problems and hides under his bed wetting his pants while Trump actually does something to solve the problems.

I would think that a Master Sargent would prefer action to fear inspired cowering.

Obama had a record of doing little or nothing when action was demanded. It's not that he was a bad person. He just didn't seem to have a clue.

Like the time he said that the jobs are gone and they aren't coming back:

"“There’s no answer to it. He just says, ‘Well, I’m going to negotiate a better deal.’ Well, how exactly are you going to negotiate that? What magic wand do you have?” Obama asked." He charged that Trump was all talk.

Turns out it didn't take a magic wand at all. It only required a vision, a plan, some action and some guts. 263,000 manufacturing jobs added since Trump took office. Obama, sadly, did not possess the required tools to do the job.

To Obama, whatever Trump is doing to accomplish these goals probably looks like magic. Seems to look that way to you as well.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-faces-north-korean-challenge-1479855286

https://www.breitbart.com/2016-pres...ing-jobs-outsourced-mexico-arent-coming-back/

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...s-31000-jobs-january-263000-trump-took-office
Click to expand...

I prefer intelligent action, not a lashing about because ignorance leads the way. Just look at tour posts. This isn't about Trump. This is about your hate for Obama. Seeking to glorify Trump is a byproduct, much like his election. At least Obama was bold about his contradictory and weak "wait-and-see" foreign policy. Trump has regurgitated that policy, added some America First spice, and continues to merely toss jalapeno peppers about to see what happens.

Trump "engaged" because the North and China declared it time. The history is very clear. It wasn't until Resolution 2321 (fall of 2016) that China jumped on board and promised to lock down coal throughout 2017. China had ignored prior five Resolutions of the 2006 sanction. It was in 2017 where we saw Kim test his seventeen rockets in order to show his cards at the table. This is typical of the Kim family regime, gong back to his grandfather during the 1950-1953 Korean War. However, in 2017 Trump decided to behave embarrassingly instead of statesman. Were it not for his Twitter crap (the jalapeno), we might have actually seen Kim move towards the idea of negotiations earlier. It is China and the North that has engaged. Trump is just the buffoon on deck.

Trump is all talk. He is the benefactor of circumstance and parades around as if he is the epicenter while his loyalists encourage it. The instances where has been bold, he has merely erred on the side that pleases his loyalists who lack vision, practicality, and smarts. For example, significantly reducing government revenue (the Tax-Cut Bill) and significantly increasing government spending is not a plan. These are the ingredients to debt and the seeds to wreck the trend of recovery. It also encourages more loans from China (the enemy?). Another more pertinent example is that there is no planning behind the idea that Trumps wants China's North Korea to denuclearize, while pissing the Chinese off through tariff games.
 
First off, no one seems to have read or responded to the link I posted, which is likely the source of NBC's story. Quite frankly, we have no idea regarding the timing on these photos as most of them seem to be taken in the time leading up to the summit in Singapore. Unless the photos are dated, you simply don't know. Pompeo will be there in a week, and we may know more then. I suggest everyone take a chill pill and believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see.
 
code1211 said:
Obama refused to engage the leader of what he sited as the biggest threat to the US.
Click to expand...


If you mean, "refused to engage on terms guaranteed to provide benefits for Mr. Kim and not provide anything for the USA", I'll agree with you

code1211 said:
Kind of like having a bad infection and letting it fester.
Click to expand...

When you have no cure for a disease, the traditional method of dealing with it is to quarantine it - this is NOT the same thing as "going nothing".

code1211 said:
Trump did engage.
Click to expand...

Yep. He spent 45 minutes with Mr. Kim. Subtract the time for the video and you have 40 minutes. Subtract the time for translation and you have 20 minutes (although the fact that Mr. Kim could understand what Mr. Trump's interpreter was saying and what Mr. Trump was saying to his interpreter while Mr. Trump was clueless on both counts probably means that Mr. Kim had a "slight" edge in the converstation).

code1211 said:
See the subtle difference?
Click to expand...

Yep. Mr. Obama didn't get anything from Mr. Kim that Mr. Obama wanted and didn't give Mr. Kim anything that Mr. Kim wanted. On the other hand Mr. Trump didn't get anything from Mr. Kim that Mr. Trump wanted and did give Mr. Kim something that Mr. Kim wanted.

I do have to admit that 0+1 (the Trump/Kim "score) is higher than 0+0 (the Obama/Kim score).

code1211 said:
Obama knows there are problems and hides under his bed wetting his pants while Trump actually does something to solve the problems.
Click to expand...

Your use of fantasy in argument is outstanding.

code1211 said:
I would think that a Master Sargent would prefer action to fear inspired cowering.
Click to expand...

If I had a Master Sergeant who persisted in charging in to an unknown situation while being totally unprepared for the situation, I'd replace them as soon as possible. Of course, someone who doesn't understand the military any deeper than being able to read "Sgt Rock" comics might have a different idea.

code1211 said:
Obama had a record of doing little or nothing when action was demanded. It's not that he was a bad person. He just didn't seem to have a clue.
Click to expand...

Possibly - from your point of view. On the other hand Mr. Trump gives every appearance of PROVING that he "doesn't have a clue" on a daily basis.

code1211 said:
Like the time he said that the jobs are gone and they aren't coming back:
Click to expand...

When an inefficient factory had shut down, even if the owners of the factory open up a new one they are NOT going to build one that is so inefficient as to rquire the same number of workers to provide the same output.

code1211 said:
He charged that Trump was all talk.
Click to expand...

Indeed, he did.

code1211 said:
Turns out it didn't take a magic wand at all. It only required a vision, a plan, some action and some guts. 263,000 manufacturing jobs added since Trump took office.
Click to expand...

Did you know that the US has seen a growth of jobs every month for the past 93 months?

Did you know that Mr. Obama did NOT leave the office of President 93 months ago?

Did you know that Mr. Trump has NOT been the President of the United States of America for 7 yeas and 8 months?
 
Born Free said:
I get it, you on the left want Trump to fail over the good of the country.
Click to expand...
It isn't as if we "leftists" didn't warn Swampy about what would happen. But he decided not to study or listen to experts and even said "I Don’t Have to Prepare ‘Very Much’ for North Korea Summit." So what we said would happen, happened -- NK made all kinds of promises and got rewarded on the world stage and then reneged on all the promises.

In the end, Swampy ends up looking stupid and embarrasses the U.S. We Dems said in 2016 that Swampy wasn't qualified or fit to hold the office and he's proving us right, unfortunately.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Did you know that the US has seen a growth of jobs every month for the past 93 months?

Did you know that Mr. Obama did NOT leave the office of President 93 months ago?

Did you know that Mr. Trump has NOT been the President of the United States of America for 7 yeas and 8 months?
Click to expand...

Just to emphasize the point...

It isn't like there wasn't growth in manufacturing under Obama.

fredgraph.png
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
If you mean, "refused to engage on terms guaranteed to provide benefits for Mr. Kim and not provide anything for the USA", I'll agree with you



When you have no cure for a disease, the traditional method of dealing with it is to quarantine it - this is NOT the same thing as "going nothing".



Yep. He spent 45 minutes with Mr. Kim. Subtract the time for the video and you have 40 minutes. Subtract the time for translation and you have 20 minutes (although the fact that Mr. Kim could understand what Mr. Trump's interpreter was saying and what Mr. Trump was saying to his interpreter while Mr. Trump was clueless on both counts probably means that Mr. Kim had a "slight" edge in the converstation).



Yep. Mr. Obama didn't get anything from Mr. Kim that Mr. Obama wanted and didn't give Mr. Kim anything that Mr. Kim wanted. On the other hand Mr. Trump didn't get anything from Mr. Kim that Mr. Trump wanted and did give Mr. Kim something that Mr. Kim wanted.

I do have to admit that 0+1 (the Trump/Kim "score) is higher than 0+0 (the Obama/Kim score).



Your use of fantasy in argument is outstanding.



If I had a Master Sergeant who persisted in charging in to an unknown situation while being totally unprepared for the situation, I'd replace them as soon as possible. Of course, someone who doesn't understand the military any deeper than being able to read "Sgt Rock" comics might have a different idea.



Possibly - from your point of view. On the other hand Mr. Trump gives every appearance of PROVING that he "doesn't have a clue" on a daily basis.



When an inefficient factory had shut down, even if the owners of the factory open up a new one they are NOT going to build one that is so inefficient as to rquire the same number of workers to provide the same output.



Indeed, he did.



Did you know that the US has seen a growth of jobs every month for the past 93 months?

Did you know that Mr. Obama did NOT leave the office of President 93 months ago?

Did you know that Mr. Trump has NOT been the President of the United States of America for 7 yeas and 8 months?
Click to expand...

Your thesis seems to be that not addressing a problem is a good thing.

Good for you!
 
MTAtech said:
It isn't as if we "leftists" didn't warn Swampy about what would happen. But he decided not to study or listen to experts and even said "I Don’t Have to Prepare ‘Very Much’ for North Korea Summit." So what we said would happen, happened -- NK made all kinds of promises and got rewarded on the world stage and then reneged on all the promises.

In the end, Swampy ends up looking stupid and embarrasses the U.S. We Dems said in 2016 that Swampy wasn't qualified or fit to hold the office and he's proving us right, unfortunately.
Click to expand...

And all those so call experts failed with every president before Trump. Your beloved Obama was the biggest failure in US history. Everything he did was a failure, and you supported all his failures. Your Obama was a NK failure from the day he was elected.

Remember Bubba one of your beloved presidents that was ****ing all his conquest in front of hillary and lied under oath and was accused of rape sent NK billions and got NOTHING in return, what a ****ing idiot. And you want to talk about experts who were and are all idiots.

Here is your so called expert, your president Bubba.

https://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/19/world/clinton-approves-a-plan-to-give-aid-to-north-koreans.html

BREAKING: Clintons Caught In Major $5 Billion N. Korea Scandal

FLASHBACK 1994: Clinton Says His Deal With North Korea Would Make The World Safer | The Daily Caller
 
Born Free said:
And all those so call experts failed with every president before Trump. Your beloved Obama was the biggest failure in US history. Everything he did was a failure, and you supported all his failures. Your Obama was a NK failure from the day he was elected.

Remember Bubba one of your beloved presidents that was ****ing all his conquest in front of hillary and lied under oath and was accused of rape sent NK billions and got NOTHING in return, what a ****ing idiot. And you want to talk about experts who were and are all idiots.

Here is your so called expert, your president Bubba.

https://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/19/world/clinton-approves-a-plan-to-give-aid-to-north-koreans.html

BREAKING: Clintons Caught In Major $5 Billion N. Korea Scandal

FLASHBACK 1994: Clinton Says His Deal With North Korea Would Make The World Safer | The Daily Caller
Click to expand...

First, while you call 'Obama a failure,' that doesn't make it so and he wasn't. Moreover, the accomplishments of Obama, namely providing the fiscal policy that helped get us out of the near-depression; instituting financial reforms; getting a health insurance reform that provided additional coverage, while lowering the uninsured rate to the lowest in modern history; and lowering the deficit by 75%. Trump has 'accomplished' the opposite of progress with slashing taxes on the rich, which is ballooning the deficit and he's undoing the progress that Obama created -- leaving America worse off.

Second, with regard to North Korea, world events don't have to conform to a president's desires. Denuclearfying NK is one of them. You will never convince them to do it voluntarily; they won't allow you to bully them and you can't use military actions. Smart people realize this but Trump does not. That's why experts warned Trump not to agree to a summit. Of course, Trump didn't listen and nothing was accomplished except giving Kim some legitimacy. Trump has boxed himself in -- to face reality would mean admitting critics were right. That's why laughably Pompeo calls it a "success." More laughably is Trump's puppets prematurely cheering "NOBEL!"

We learned about NK from history, as your links show. You can't call Clinton trying something 24 years ago a failure because nobody ever did it before. Not learning from that history is another thing.
 
MTAtech said:
First, while you call 'Obama a failure,' that doesn't make it so and he wasn't. Moreover, the accomplishments of Obama, namely providing the fiscal policy that helped get us out of the near-depression; instituting financial reforms; getting a health insurance reform that provided additional coverage, while lowering the uninsured rate to the lowest in modern history; and lowering the deficit by 75%. Trump has 'accomplished' the opposite of progress with slashing taxes on the rich, which is ballooning the deficit and he's undoing the progress that Obama created -- leaving America worse off.

Second, with regard to North Korea, world events don't have to conform to a president's desires. Denuclearfying NK is one of them. You will never convince them to do it voluntarily; they won't allow you to bully them and you can't use military actions. Smart people realize this but Trump does not. That's why experts warned Trump not to agree to a summit. Of course, Trump didn't listen and nothing was accomplished except giving Kim some legitimacy. Trump has boxed himself in -- to face reality would mean admitting critics were right. That's why laughably Pompeo calls it a "success." More laughably is Trump's puppets prematurely cheering "NOBEL!"

We learned about NK from history, as your links show. You can't call Clinton trying something 24 years ago a failure because nobody ever did it before. Not learning from that history is another thing.
Click to expand...

1. Yea any idiot could bring us out of a recession by borrowing 10 trillion doubling our national debt
2. Financial reforms by Obama have been substantially deleted by Trump
3. Obamacare is no more, where have you been
4. For patients, he made a sweeping pledge that “no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what. Obama promised you would save per family $2,000 per year
5. Lowering the deficit by 75%, who raised the deficit to the highest in US history, yep Obama. To borrow 10 trillion he raised the deficit and when he quit borrowing he lowered the highest deficit that he created.
6. All your experts and the presidents you supported were all failures, that is a fact. Obama did nothing letting Rocket Man develop all the nukes he wanted and Bubba gave NK billions and got nothing in return. How stupid can you get.

Good by :2wave:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom