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Obama expected to hit the campaign trail for Democrats with help from Pelosi and Schumer

Xelor said:
Obama's presence would likely help. Pelosi and Schumer, however, should campaign only on their own behalves.
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It didn't seem to help when he was President.
 
MSgt said:
It's like you people are incapable of reading your own posts. The only thing you care about is hating liberals. FOX News doesn't even have to try anymore.

- The increased employment and improvement in the economy was a trend that started in the spring of 2016, before Trump was elected.

- Last I checked our military was told that they can't have any exercises in South Korea.

- And SCOTUS picks would have been there no matter who the President was, which means that it has nothing to do with Trump.


So...not about Trump because the "results" are exaggerated BS. It has only everything to do with hating on liberals. How profound. How mature. How very FOX News of you. You appear to be reaching far in order to legitimize your "support" for what amounts to only being a Republican. You would support anything in that regard. At least Democrats abstained from having to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016. You people completely betrayed yourselves...or did you?

Country be damned, right? As long as you personally feel like a "winner."
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See, your hate is on full display. 8 years of Obama fail but now it's all on him. Sure bud.
Wow, talk about showing absolute ignorance of the military. I was, as anyone with a clue about the United States Military would understand, discussing specifically the changes to ROE for deployed forces and the fact that unlike under Obama's admin, Field commanders are free to engage targets and threats without having to get permission from DC.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/19/...ver-military-operations-back-to-pentagon.html Here a NY Times article giving some oversight
But as the Times admits, there was one significant difference. In the spring, Trump loosened the rules of engagement to allow commanders in the field more authority in day-to-day decisions about fighting the enemy. Under Obama, the White House micromanaged the conflict in a manner that calls to mind the way President Lyndon Johnson and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara fought the Vietnam War with similar dismal results.

Trump loosened the rules of engagement to allow commanders in the field more authority in day-to-day decisions about fighting the enemy.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/10/trump-isis-victory/ A different source to give a bigger picture.

The point is, I'm not talking about joint exercises being placed on temp hold in hopes of making a long sought deal to tame NK. Thanks for showing your ignorance on military matters.

Scotus picks would be there yes, but who's doing the picking and can they get them seated is a whole nother ball of wax.

So what you've shown is denial of the changes in the economy, sheer ignorance of the US Armed Forces and you seem to think there is a queue for SCOTUS judges... presidents don't matter in the calculation.
 
dcsports said:
It's not everything, but it can be a big thing, especially if it means a local congressman can spend more time at meet and greets.

In any case, I think fundraising would be a bigger benefit than a basic endorsement that fires up opposition as much as support.
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And yet, Bratt defeated Cantor, the majority leader and heir apparent to the throne with a bank account of $200K and didn't spend it all compared to 5 million by Cantor.

Bratt had a message. Drain the swamp. Cantor also had a message. More of the same. Hillary should have listened to the message. Except Cantor and Hillary were the alligators.
 
MSgt said:
Unfortunately, there are far too many Conservatives like you who prefer to rely on the other side to mess up than to actually care what is representing them. You are like a Cleveland Brown fan who hopes the other team develops a bout of cancer in order to win. A proper loyalist would demand better and kick his team in the ass.
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Well, no. The "mess up" that we expect from the Democrats is that they go too socialist, too authoritarian... for the Democrats to not mess up they'd have to move more moderate, which I would welcome. I think the Democrats would do well replacing Schumer with Manchin and Pelosi with someone from the Blue Dog Coalition... but then there are only 18 Blue Dogs in the House, so right now the party will continue with their policy of the last 10 years that if at first they don't succeed, Socialist harder.
 
jmotivator said:
Well, no. The "mess up" that we expect from the Democrats is that they go too socialist, too authoritarian... for the Democrats to not mess up they'd have to move more moderate, which I would welcome. I think the Democrats would do well replacing Schumer with Manchin and Pelosi with someone from the Blue Dog Coalition... but then there are only 18 Blue Dogs in the House, so right now the party will continue with their policy of the last 10 years that if at first they don't succeed, Socialist harder.
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Well, the Democrats would do well to replace Pelosi with a zombie. I can't stand her. Her, Hillary, and Coulter all belong in the waste bin of toxicity.

In terms of "socialism," which is apparently the FOX News theme of the week, the Democratic Party hasn't changed. It's pretty much the same thing as what was under Obama and Bill Clinton.

The problem here is that Hillary is more conservative than liberal. The Right isn't the only political part of the spectrum that has leaned further to the right. So Sanders simply gets branded as a communist-loving socialist who has pictures of Stalin in his home.
 
MSgt said:
Well....that's dumb.

- Obama's purpose would be just to cater to Democrats or Independents who need no convincing. He is history. Move on.
- Pelosi is toxic waste. Take it out already.

The Hillary Clinton lesson of 2016 appears to have not been learned.
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did you think it would be?

what will help or sink trump will be the economy.
 
jmotivator said:
Well, no. The "mess up" that we expect from the Democrats is that they go too socialist, too authoritarian... for the Democrats to not mess up they'd have to move more moderate, which I would welcome. I think the Democrats would do well replacing Schumer with Manchin and Pelosi with someone from the Blue Dog Coalition... but then there are only 18 Blue Dogs in the House, so right now the party will continue with their policy of the last 10 years that if at first they don't succeed, Socialist harder.
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yep and they keep enforcing that message everyday from the likes of maxine waters.
they are the posters for which the democratic party will lose.
 
MSgt said:
Well, the Democrats would do well to replace Pelosi with a zombie. I can't stand her. Her, Hillary, and Coulter all belong in the waste bin of toxicity.
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Replacing Pelosi with a zombie is an even swap.

In terms of "socialism," which is apparently the FOX News theme of the week, the Democratic Party hasn't changed. It's pretty much the same thing as what was under Obama and Bill Clinton.
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Same as under Obama, sure, that is why they jettisoned 1000 seats at the federal, state and local level. And under Bill Clinton, Hillary's push for a universal government health care ended up losing the Democrats the House for the first time in 40 years, and the Senate for over a decade... and when they got it back they pushed for universal government run health care again... and lost the House and Senate again.

The problem here is that Hillary is more conservative than liberal.
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So you are making my point... your solution is to keep doing the same thing, just do it harder.

The Right isn't the only political part of the spectrum that has leaned further to the right. So Sanders simply gets branded as a communist-loving socialist who has pictures of Stalin in his home.
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Well, no, Obama's Press Secretary was the one with Soviet propaganda in his house, Bernie just took his honeymoon in the Soviet Union, applauded Castro, Chavez, and the Sandinistas communist revolution in Nicaragua... so how could you ever get the impression he loved communists?! :roll:
 
Xelor said:
You just keep thinking that....
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He lost of the House and Senate in the span of 6 years, and was unable to hand off the White House to Hillary. I'm honestly puzzled how you can see his 8 years as being good for the Democratic Party.
 
jmotivator said:
He lost of the House and Senate in the span of 6 years, and was unable to hand off the White House to Hillary. I'm honestly puzzled how you can see his 8 years as being good for the Democratic Party.
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I had already inferred that you were, but I appreciate your confiming so.
 
Xelor said:
I had already inferred that you were, but I appreciate your confiming so.
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Well, you keep being you, Xelor. I'm sure this time Obama will be the magic bullet for the Democrats. :roll:
 
jmotivator said:
He lost of the House and Senate in the span of 6 years, and was unable to hand off the White House to Hillary. I'm honestly puzzled how you can see his 8 years as being good for the Democratic Party.
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It isn't Obama's fault that the Democrats voters didn't turn out strong in the mid-terms or for Hillary in 2016.
 
ludin said:
did you think it would be?

what will help or sink trump will be the economy.
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One has hope. I have hope that one day our political establishment will transcend the ignorance that elects it. I have hope that one day that ignorance (voters) will realize that in a two party system, one weak side means that the other has no reason to shine.

If competition breeds excellence, our two Parties need each other to better themselves. And this is where Conservatives now parade around their sad little "win." Instead of demanding that their side get in shape, they rely upon the other side to be fifty pounds overweight. One should not define oneself in accordance to how bad the other might be.

This country deserves a hell of a lot better. Somewhere along the way, between FOX News idiocy and Liberal dreams of politically correct utopia, Americans have completely forgotten that. Now it's only about "winning" every couple years. Who cares what that even means.
 
Puigb said:
It isn't Obama's fault that the Democrats voters didn't turn out strong in the mid-terms or for Hillary in 2016.
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It's not? Huh....

But this time he'll get them to turn out, right? :roll:
 
jmotivator said:
Same as under Obama, sure, that is why they jettisoned 1000 seats at the federal, state and local level. And under Bill Clinton, Hillary's push for a universal government health care ended up losing the Democrats the House for the first time in 40 years, and the Senate for over a decade... and when they got it back they pushed for universal government run health care again... and lost the House and Senate again.
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Well, it's routine to see the Parties flip back and forth. People make too much of this. Americans get completely absorbed with the notion of "change" no matter what is working and what is not. This is why the Presidential hopefuls frequently go back to that well in their campaign mottos and why they constantly use the idea of "again" as if they have defined a Golden Age for the future. Americans eat it up and if their side "wins" they behave as if its permanent or meaning that the other side just paid for it. In the end, Clinton, Bush, and Obama all did their two terms as the House and Senate shifted seats about along the way.

jmotivator said:
Well, no, Obama's Press Secretary was the one with Soviet propaganda in his house, Bernie just took his honeymoon in the Soviet Union, applauded Castro, Chavez, and the Sandinistas communist revolution in Nicaragua... so how could you ever get the impression he loved communists?! :roll:
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I don't know what you are talking about here.
 
I'll be first in line! It will be my fourth time going to an Obama rally (assuming he comes to CO). It'll be refreshing to see a real president.
 
MSgt said:
Well....that's dumb.

- Obama's purpose would be just to cater to Democrats or Independents who need no convincing. He is history. Move on.
- Pelosi is toxic waste. Take it out already.

The Hillary Clinton lesson of 2016 appears to have not been learned.
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Have you forgotten how effective Bill Clinton was on the campaign trail before #metoo?
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
I'll be first in line! It will be my fourth time going to an Obama rally (assuming he comes to CO). It'll be refreshing to see a real president.
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Yep, cannot wait to hear you tout his accomplishments, 9.3 trillion added to the debt, loss of the House in 10-12, the Congress in 14-16, no year of 3% growth, recycling TARP, four years of trillion dollar deficits, the Arab Spring, Libya debacle and death of our Ambassador, and to personally thank him for giving us Trump
 
zimmer said:
They liked him so much, he helped the party lose 1000-seats nationwide, making them the weakest they had been in a century.

This before we learned he used the FBI, CIA and DoJ like some 3rd World ****hole dictator.

PS. Obama must reach those outside the party... he didn’t manage it in 2016... and all he will do is remind America of his massive failures.

Me... I’m happy he is out there.
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It wasn't so much Obama's shortcomings that led to Democratic losses as the right's racism.
 
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