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Time Magazine puts family separation at Trump's feet, literally

VanceMack said:
I'm a supporter in the US following our immigration laws in the same manner Canada and Mexico do. And I'm very much not a fan of mindless ****ing douchebags that use an issue like this to score political points...especially when their own position is so polluted with hypocrisy.
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Not what I asked...
 
jmotivator said:
While Pelosi went to the detention facility a few days ago and declared the DHS secretary should resign... she had a very different impression of the DHS detaining children in 2014...



(If if doesn't jump to the time stamp, go to 4:29)

Funny, that... Obama's programs HELPED human trafficking...

Back then it was 50,000 kids... but didn't really qualify as a crisis, now the numbers are down and everything is Hitler.
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That's a stunning turnaround.
Today it's MS13 who have that spark.
Today the kids have a spark of agitprop.

Her faculties really deteriorated badly after 4 years.
 
VanceMack said:
I'm a supporter in the US following our immigration laws in the same manner Canada and Mexico do.
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What immigration law is "not being followed"? It's not illegal to seek asylum in the US, and these people coming from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador don't have the means or resources to buy a plane ticket, fly to the US, then declare asylum at Immigration.

Crossing the border illegally is not a criminal infraction, it's a civil one. You have to turn yourself in to authorities in order to declare asylum. That's how the process works.
 
Atomic Kid said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/card/time-magazine-puts-family-separation-trump-s-feet-literally-n885366


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Congrats Mr President on making the cover of Time again! He's on a roll! The wrong kind of roll. Not that he cares anyway. Time nails it again!
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It should be labeled "The power of Fake".

The child has not been separated from her family.
Trump never met the child.
Trump and the child have never faced each other in the way the photo depicts.

If this was drawn as an artists rendering with brushes or what have you that is one thing. But to Photoshop it is fraudulent and an attempt to create a false reality.
 
The Derp said:
What immigration law is "not being followed"? It's not illegal to seek asylum in the US, and these people coming from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador don't have the means or resources to buy a plane ticket, fly to the US, then declare asylum at Immigration.

Crossing the border illegally is not a criminal infraction, it's a civil one. You have to turn yourself in to authorities in order to declare asylum. That's how the process works.
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*Crossing the border illegally is not a criminal infraction*

Yes it is, it's a criminal misdemeanor.
 
chuckiechan said:
It should be labeled "The power of Fake".

The child has not been separated from her family.
Trump never met the child.
Trump and the child have never faced each other in the way the photo depicts.

If this was drawn as an artists rendering with brushes or what have you that is one thing. But to Photoshop it is fraudulent and an attempt to create a false reality.
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It's artistic expression. Under this logic, the statue of Liberty should be torn down, cuz tell me the last time you saw a lady that tall... :lol:
 
hanger4 said:
Yes it is, it's a criminal misdemeanor.
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A civil infraction.

That's what the statute is.

Besides, how are you to declare asylum without stepping foot within the borders? Sounds to me like you just don't want people coming here, period. Why? Halting or stopping immigration isn't going to magically reverse the demographic trends. It won't even impede it. So all this opposition to immigration comes from something, and that something isn't some adherence to ambiguous laws. It's about something much deeper; insecurity.
 
This is confirmation that the Left has no winning policy in the realm of ideas. Again, this problem with the separation of kids from their families started back in 1997 with Congress and 9th Circuit Court of Appeals (one of the most Leftist courts out there). When they were finalizing it, the only 2 options they had were deport the families, intact, out of the country or separate the kids from their families at the border. Well, they went with the 2nd option because the objective with the Left is amnesty. The thought behind it was this could be used as a weapon to beat anti-amnesty people over the head with in order to get the kids' parents in, and register them to vote (and register as and only vote for Democrats). So the kids are used as a political weapon, but no one has made a stink about it, nor try to fix it, since it was first established as a law. Bush didn't do anything to fix it nor did Obama. The media said NOTHING the whole time this was happening, and when it was brought up to them, they poo-pooed it (during both administrations). But NOW, since it's election season, this situation comes up as if it were something that just happened today. In reality, though, the only thing Trump came up with was the Zero Tolerance policy, and that's just if you break immigration law, you'll be penalized (that's what is in a nutshell and I know there's more to it). This policy, however, has NOTHING to do with the 1997 law, other than enforce it, like what the other 2 presidents did.

In the end, this is nothing more than a distraction from the other things that's actually been going on that are positive: A booming economy, record low unemployment numbers, record low food stamp recipients, ISIS being crushed, high number of violent illegal aliens being caught and prosecuted, tax cuts, new jobs being created, the embassy in Jerusalem finally being established after being promised for over 20 years by 3 presidents, companies coming back to the US, companies raising wages for their employees, Obamacare individual mandate eliminated, home values going back up, and the list goes on. What do the Democrats have they can offer that's better? The answer: nothing. They've offered no productive and helpful alternative, or even better versions than the current, policies that Trump has in place. Their only objectives are as followed: get rid of Trump, put the individual mandate back in, raise everyone's taxes, and finally amnesty. So in other words, go against the people's choice of president and their hard earned money going back into the pockets of the politicians, government programs, and special interests groups. The Left knows their policies are not winning policies, but in order to get them implemented they need to separate Trump from his supporters, and the way to do that is to paint Trump as a monster. Enter the current situation at the border, the law that was passed by Congress and the federal court system back in 1997, something Trump was NEVER involved with, and the Left knows this (and don't care). So I say to anyone out there that's not for amnesty, don't believe the Left's outrage over this issue. If they're all for abortion, they're for the not only kids but families being put in cages. Otherwise, they would have brought this issue up back in 1997. And this cover on Time Magazine is just a front to cover up the fact it was THEY that voted for this.
 
Atomic Kid said:
How about spending that money for a physical barrier where it may actually do some real good in promoting our national security and stemming the wave of refugees? By taking on these gangs in and drug cartels in Central America and help to prop up their economies and foster more democratic forms of government. If we can accomplish that in just 3 countries, Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras. We could then substantially stem the tide of this distressed migration and in so doing enhance both their security and ours.
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Better still, decriminalize all drugs and legalize marijuana. Just like prohibition, legalization will kill the illegal business.
 
The Derp said:
A civil infraction.

That's what the statute is.

Besides, how are you to declare asylum without stepping foot within the borders? Sounds to me like you just don't want people coming here, period. Why? Halting or stopping immigration isn't going to magically reverse the demographic trends. It won't even impede it. So all this opposition to immigration comes from something, and that something isn't some adherence to ambiguous laws. It's about something much deeper; insecurity.
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*The illegal entry of non-nationals into the United States is a misdemeanor according to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965,*

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_entry

*Besides, how are you to declare asylum without stepping foot within the borders?*

Surely you're not trying to say one must enter the US illegally to request asylum ??

The rest of your post is just partisan tripe therefore dismissed.
 
bubbabgone said:
Not that one. And not only during this Administration.

Now they'll all be detained together. Better?

Preventing illegal immigration by enforcing a Law seems like a good idea, no?

How does one plan a CF at a house of ill repute? Your's were successful?
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Why of course. I learned a lot of things in the Military- Fail to plan, plan to fail.

Filing to plan is the Trump Mantra as we have seen on countless policies.

I have no issues with incarceration of all, but families must stay together.
This law you speak to was used under various Admins, but not to the extent that we have seen under Trump.

There are various options to ensuring those with claims appear from ankle bracelets to various organizations that work with these people.

The way this was rolled out, spur of the moment was a freaking disaster. Toddler camps, where those under 4 or 5, not even staff could comfort, console them. Do you think that was right? And pls do not blame the parents

Honestly you do know this was a disaster, no planning, shortage of facilities, just Trump flying off at DOJ/DHS to do this, all from the mouth of Miller.

Now what happens when DHS loses track or records are co mingled and children are reunited with the wrong parent?
 
Atomic Kid said:
Fascist/progressive? Really? It's not liberals who are ripping children out of the arms of their parents and throwing them into detention camps. That is the kind of thing that real fascists do. Heil Trump! Trump depends and thrives on ignorance and hatred.
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That policy started under Clinton, and ran through both GWB and Obama.

Talk about ignorance. :roll:
 
hanger4 said:
*The illegal entry of non-nationals into the United States is a misdemeanor according to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965,*
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Which is a civil infraction, dude.
 
hanger4 said:
Surely you're not trying to say one must enter the US illegally to request asylum
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To declare asylum, you only need be in the US. It doesn't matter how you got here, and your asylum is not contingent based on the means by which you entered the country to seek asylum.

You just don't want immigrants. That's what this is all about. You see the country getting darker and that makes you feel insecure; so you pretend to be opposed to immigration because you think it might somehow reverse the demographic trends.

SPOILER ALERT: It won't.
 
JANFU said:
Why of course. I learned a lot of things in the Military- Fail to plan, plan to fail.

Filing to plan is the Trump Mantra as we have seen on countless policies.

I have no issues with incarceration of all, but families must stay together.
This law you speak to was used under various Admins, but not to the extent that we have seen under Trump.

There are various options to ensuring those with claims appear from ankle bracelets to various organizations that work with these people.

The way this was rolled out, spur of the moment was a freaking disaster. Toddler camps, where those under 4 or 5, not even staff could comfort, console them. Do you think that was right? And pls do not blame the parents

Honestly you do know this was a disaster, no planning, shortage of facilities, just Trump flying off at DOJ/DHS to do this, all from the mouth of Miller.

Now what happens when DHS loses track or records are co mingled and children are reunited with the wrong parent?
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Extent doesn't matter but Obama's extent was greater anyway.


The Obama administration failed to protect thousands of Central American children who have flooded across the U.S. border since 2011, leaving them vulnerable to traffickers and to abuses at the hands of government-approved caretakers, a Senate investigation has found.
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Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) initiated the six-month investigation after several Guatemalan teens were found in a dilapidated trailer park near Marion, Ohio, where they were being held captive by traffickers and forced to work at a local egg farm. The boys were among more than 125,000 unaccompanied minors who have surged into the United States since 2011, fleeing violence and unrest in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...465050-c542-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html
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The great majority of the kids being detained came unaccompanied so there are no parents to be separated from. They were separated in Central America.
The holding camps are the same as Obama's and the facilities after the holding camps are very good.
They routinely cut off the ankle bracelets after they get transported.

Characterizing the current situation as unique is a lie.
 
MSgt said:
It's an established law that the Clinton administration, the Bush administration, and the Obama administration worked with and did not exacerbate in order to prove an anti-immigrant point. Trump chose to exacerbate that law in order to "prove" that the wall was a necessity. It backfired because the people at large are smarter than his faithful flock. Even GOP Senators won't allow Trump to get away with pretending that this is a Democrat problem.
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This is just too funny. No matter how you spin it -- the problem was still there during three preceding administrations.

But, here's the funny part -- the dems and the liberal media just virtually guaranteed that Congress will build Trump's wall. The EO Trump signed won't fly because a whole lot of new "family friendly" facilities must be built - -and now, the children must have access to school, etc. near the detention centers. Cost prohibitive.

At this point -- the wall is cheaper.

And, guess what? That's what Trump wanted all along and the dems fell for it hook, line and sinker.

Too funny.
 
The Derp said:
To declare asylum, you only need be in the US. It doesn't matter how you got here, and your asylum is not contingent based on the means by which you entered the country to seek asylum.

You just don't want immigrants. That's what this is all about. You see the country getting darker and that makes you feel insecure; so you pretend to be opposed to immigration because you think it might somehow reverse the demographic trends.

SPOILER ALERT: It won't.
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This is true concerning asylum, but if you request or are even granted asylum after entering illegally (one year) that doesn't excuse your criminal misdemeanor. You still may serve or pay a penalty or both.

The rest of your post is partisan race baiting, dismissed.
 
MTAtech said:
Unless they are seeking asylum.
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Why should that matter? If they are seeking asylum, they can follow the rules and not enter illegally. By your 'logic' what is to stop everyone from seeking asylum?
 
hanger4 said:
Nor is the Times cover.
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The fact that you're judging the cover on whether that specific situation occurred exactly like it's shown tells me you're reaching. It's a magazine cover! Checking to see if that specific kid was in front of Trump... nonsensical.
 
The Derp said:
You just don't want immigrants. That's what this is all about. You see the country getting darker and that makes you feel insecure; so you pretend to be opposed to immigration because you think it might somehow reverse the demographic trends.

SPOILER ALERT: It won't.
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You should have posted the above rant in CT.
I think the poster's point was that one does not have to cross ILLEGALLY to claim asylum. He sure didn't deserve your ridiculously unfounded attack.
 
hanger4 said:
This is true concerning asylum, but if you request or are even granted asylum after entering illegally (one year) that doesn't excuse your criminal misdemeanor.
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Right, and that's why there are fines and such to deal with that thing.

What Trump and Co. are doing is attempting to criminalize it in order to disqualify those seekers and prevent them from coming here while also deterring future asylum seekers and refugees.

What's messed up is that these people are leaving countries we destroyed with our horrible foreign policy. 40% of the guns used in Central American violence come from the US; guess how? Iran-Contra and our failed drug war. So we waged a proxy war in Central America that devastated the region, and now we're kicking out people, detaining them indefinitely, and abusing those who flee that devastation we caused. The USSR isn't around anymore; so we have to own the responsibility for what we helped destroy because no one else will.

Taking in all refugees and asylum seekers is the only moral, Christian thing to do. We owe it to those people because we destroyed their country.
 
Fletch said:
Why should that matter? If they are seeking asylum, they can follow the rules and not enter illegally. By your 'logic' what is to stop everyone from seeking asylum?
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The above makes no sense. If the people entering illegally are fearing for their lives so much that they're willing to risk not only their lives but the lives of their children, I HIGHLY doubt they're going to wait for red tape.
 
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