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Trump signs executive order to stop family separations at border

Alright, so, it only took reading a few pages before the leftist morons here disclosed themselves as disgusting, hypocritical, hate-filled ideologs. What a disgrace they are to this country. Clearly, they don't care if children are taken care of properly, or executed with firing squads. They only care about being able to blame Trump. Screw the kids, and screw Americans.
 
You don't even know what you're talking about

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Sure do, how good do you think it would be for a child's development to separate them from their parents, and then lock them in a cage? Do you think a grown person crawls into the cage with them to play with an Elmo doll?

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Im from Brownsville...I dont want my birthplace turned into a lake, because Trump wants a useless wall. Again, if he believes in the wall why isnt he using any of HIS money to build it?

That's absurd and besides, he's not even worth one billion much less ten billion, that's why he won't release his tax returns.
The wall won't turn Brownsville into a lake.
It will affect some businesses and property owners however.
 
That doesn't grant them the right to come to America

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They have a right to come and seek asylum according to this country's law. The question is how can they be effectively vetted and processed.
 
We give those countries hundreds of millions of dollars every year.

Which in many cases goes to the corrupt leaders and governments the US supports so those countries can arm themselves well enough to keep the people in line. You don't think that money is going to help poor people do you?
 
Sure do, how good do you think it would be for a child's development to separate them from their parents, and then lock them in a cage? Do you think a grown person crawls into the cage with them to play with an Elmo doll?

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That is the consequence of committing a crime. We are not going to stop detaining and jailing criminals just because they have children.
 
Here are eight rules for the press on how to report on Trump now that America has suffered through 18 months of him


1. Stop treating Trump’s tweets as news.

2. Don’t believe a single word that comes out of his mouth.

3. Don’t fall for the reality-TV spectacles he creates. (For example, his meeting with Kim Jong-un.) They’re not news, either.

4. Don’t let his churlish thin-skinned vindictive narcissistic rants divert attention from what he’s really doing.

5. Focus on what he’s really doing, and put the day’s stories into this larger context. He’s (1) undermining democratic institutions, (2) using his office for personal gain, (3) sowing division and hate, (4) cozying up to dictators while antagonizing our democratic allies around the world, (5) violating the rule of law, and (6) enriching America’s wealthy while harming the middle class and the poor. He may also be (7) colluding with Putin.

6. Keep track of what his Cabinet is doing – Sessions’s attacks on civil rights, civil liberties, voting rights, and immigrants; DeVos’s efforts to undermine public education, Pruitt’s and Zinke’s efforts to gut the environment; all their conflicts of interest, and the industry lobbyists they’ve put in high positions.

7. Don’t try to “balance” your coverage of the truth with quotes and arguments from Trump’s enablers and followers. This is not a contest between right and left, Republicans and Democrats. This is between democracy and demagogic authoritarianism.

8. Don’t let him rattle you. Maintain your dignity, confidence, and courage.
 
Well this'll piss the Anti-Trumpets off. They won't have this to bitch about anymore.

Guess they'll have to go back to pulling stuff out of their asses.

This was a very, very, very real issue. Nobody was pulling stuff out of their asses. And Trump was trying to blame Democrats (who control no branch of government) and kept saying (lying) that he couldn't do anything about it... then even his wife spoke against it... his popularity started to tank... people in his own party got pissed off... and then, suddenly, it turns out that he *could* do something about it, huh? Such a liar...

It's very simple. Trump tried to use these children (and evil Sessions was more than happy to oblige) to force the Democrats to agree with funding his wall. It backfired on him, so now he withdrew.

If you can't see it, pardon me, but you are in denial.
 
Trump signs executive order to stop family separations at border | Fox News

There is now an executive order signed by the president to stop separating children from their illegal alien parents when detained for unlawfully crossing the US border. It appears congress is also to act on this as well.

Americans are such idiots, prone to gobble up any contrived narrative the media decides to feed them.

Am I the only American who remembers the 2014 Unaccompanied Minors Crisis, where tens of thousands of parents from Central America told their kids to walk to the United States border by themselves and demand to be let in??

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_American_immigration_crisis

I wonder what the next fabricated 'crisis' pertaining to illegal immigration will be.
 
"Trump’s statement that immigrants will “infest our Country” probably sounds better in the original German."

---Bill Kristol
 
Americans are such idiots, prone to gobble up any contrived narrative the media decides to feed them.

Am I the only American who remembers the 2014 Unaccompanied Minors Crisis, where tens of thousands of parents from Central America told their kids to walk to the United States border by themselves and demand to be let in??

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_American_immigration_crisis

I wonder what the next fabricated 'crisis' pertaining to illegal immigration will be.

That’s still happening. This executive order will do nothing to change the situation of the 10000 unaccompanied minors recently apprehended and placed in care.
 
"Trump’s statement that immigrants will “infest our Country” probably sounds better in the original German."

---Bill Kristol

Kristol is a transparent globalist who publicly advocated invading Iraq way back in 1996. More recently he's said that he wishes he could deport blue collar Americans, and replace them with illegal immigrants. He's exactly the type that Calvin Coolidge had hoped to keep out of this country, God bless him.
 
They have a right to come and seek asylum according to this country's law. The question is how can they be effectively vetted and processed.

No, they have no right. We let them come here legally. Those are the rules. We set them, it’s our country. We could decide tomorrow that the borders are closed, and no one comes in.


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No, they have no right. We let them come here legally. Those are the rules. We set them, it’s our country. We could decide tomorrow that the borders are closed, and no one comes in.


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The law says anyone granted credible fear can petition the IJ for asylum. Credible fear interviews are conducted by ICE. If ICE denies the immigrant ca n appeal to the IJ. That is the law my friend.
 
No, they're not Third Reich concentration camps, but you might not want to know what's happening at a lot of them because it might upset your enforced belief that everything's just rosy.

Sorry but workers at these detention centers are under orders to never touch the children in a comforting manner, never interact with them except to bark orders, never engage them in constructive play activities or anything else that groups of children would normally do in a healthy environment.
And that sort of practice leads to damaged kids.

And drugging them doesn't help either.

I never said, nor implied things were just rosy. And I'm not saying it is a healthy environment, however, comparing them to concentration camps is ridiculously over the top. I'm not one for overly dramatic descriptions of actual circumstances, like 'ripping babies from their mother's arms'. Not saying it didn't happen, but portraying every instance of separation like that is an asshole guilting move that is seen for what it is.

In a sad way, it makes sense they are under orders never to touch the children. There are already accusations coming out about sexual abuse.
 
Well, first we need to acknowledge the fact that net migration from Mexico BY MEXICANS has been near zero or even negative for a few years now.
What does that mean? It means Mexicans aren't streaming across the border in significant numbers and when they do, they're being deported, or if they are criminals, they're being incarcerated and then deported.
Personally, I don't really have much of a problem with that, we're enforcing the laws, and that's what any country does, so be it.
I'm assuming you probably feel much the same.

So who are these people? They're Central American refugees from Guatemala, Nicaragua, Honduras and El Salvador.
What obligates us to take them in or at least process them humanely and take those we can manage?

Simple:
In the short term, the problems are due to the typical tin horn banana republic corruption and inefficiencies, and that is not our fault. El Republico de Bananas have always BEEN El Republico de Bananas.

Their LONG TERM problems however, ARE INDEED due to LONG TERM foreign policy dating back to Reagan.
Starting with Reagan we funded and trained large mercenary armies in all four countries to project our foreign policy on their weak governments. Our actions in Nicaragua made the headlines with the Contra scandal.
But we were doing much the same thing in the other three countries as well.

Well, when those nice Reagan era paychecks stopped, the mercs did what mercs always do, they searched for new employers.
THE DRUG CARTELS.
And today's MS-13 are nothing more than the children and grandchildren of those mercs, and now THEY damn near control these countries, certainly at the civil and social level, and in large part the economic level, even if they aren't controlling it at the government level. In a place like that it doesn't really matter if they control actual government posts because their weak governments do do squat.

Hence, these refugees are the "unintended consequences" or BLOWBACK from our decades old foreign policy.
A little bit of mission creep up here isn't very noticeable...UP HERE.
Down THERE however, it translates to "The USA sneezed, and Central America caught pneumonia".

These refugees are our "chickens coming home to roost".
And again, we cannot possibly take all of them but if we manage to accept 40 or 50 percent of them, that's damn good, consider the problem dealt with and call it a day. It's never going to be perfect.
We can also take a revisit to our foreign policy down there and do what can be done on a humanitarian level, and then LESS of these people will want to flee.
That's as good as it gets on that level too.

If it was just the typical banana republic bull****, the flow of refugees would be a tiny trickle and we wouldn't even hear about it but the reason we are is because it is now a full blown humanitarian crisis.

Lastly, no matter how sophisticated our economy becomes, there will always be a need for an underclass to do jobs we cannot or will not do...ALWAYS. Paths to citizenship or legal residency means taxpayers, and it means we get those jobs done, and it means that eventually, they MAKE IT and become assets rather than liabilities.

We are America...we CAN do BOTH, we always have.

Thank you for your explanation of the history of corruption of the four Central American countries and why so many are seeking amnesty in our country.
 
They already live in America...America is a continent, not a country.
Sorry, I was not aware that yet another selectively literal person had arrived. The United States....is that better....you understand now?

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Dear trouble:
(Always thought it would be a hoot to start a letter off like




I've been pondering that

Sorry guys I had to trim down your responses for space but ty both for great answers.

I have given this some consideration and my opinion on this is still evolving. Currently this is where I am at.

First I ask myself is if we have an ethical obligation to the rest of the world and I believe we do. We are the world's leader and we set the example for the rest of the world. Our immigration policy is symbolic of what world peace could look like.

An alloy is two or more different metals combined together to make a 3rd stronger metal. That is what diversity and our American melting pot should be representive of.

It's not our obligation to feed the world or fix it. It's our responsibility to show the world how to fix itself by fixing ourselves. America first if you will.

Immigration policy should be based on our needs not the immigrants. IE merit based. And it should be a metered flow of intake. In other words we don't just open the door and put out the welcome mat. We allow people coming in to accumulate before bringing in more people.

The problem is people are not respecting our boundaries band are treating us like their welfare providers. This has to stop.

1. Build the wall. $25B is only .005% of our budget. It will force the majority of people crossing our southern border to do it where we can monitor it
2. E-verify seems like a no Brainer to me.
3. Make it so their drivers license expires the same time their visa does and denote that they are here on their license or ID card. That makes it easy to identify people who have overstayed.
4. Limit how many people are here assimilating into our culture. These people need help melding in. We can give smaller groups better help than we can larger groups. Think of it like a teachers classroom size. Smaller classes tend to benefit students more.

I could go on n on about things like health screenings and what not but I will run out of space. So that's my 4 basic things

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Well, first we need to acknowledge the fact that net migration from Mexico BY MEXICANS has been near zero or even negative for a few years now.
What does that mean? It means Mexicans aren't streaming across the border in significant numbers and when they do, they're being deported, or if they are criminals, they're being incarcerated and then deported.
Personally, I don't really have much of a problem with that, we're enforcing the laws, and that's what any country does, so be it.
I'm assuming you probably feel much the same.

So who are these people? They're Central American refugees from Guatemala, Nicaragua, Honduras and El Salvador.
What obligates us to take them in or at least process them humanely and take those we can manage?

Simple:
In the short term, the problems are due to the typical tin horn banana republic corruption and inefficiencies, and that is not our fault. El Republico de Bananas have always BEEN El Republico de Bananas.

Their LONG TERM problems however, ARE INDEED due to LONG TERM foreign policy dating back to Reagan.
Starting with Reagan we funded and trained large mercenary armies in all four countries to project our foreign policy on their weak governments. Our actions in Nicaragua made the headlines with the Contra scandal.
But we were doing much the same thing in the other three countries as well.

Well, when those nice Reagan era paychecks stopped, the mercs did what mercs always do, they searched for new employers.
THE DRUG CARTELS.
And today's MS-13 are nothing more than the children and grandchildren of those mercs, and now THEY damn near control these countries, certainly at the civil and social level, and in large part the economic level, even if they aren't controlling it at the government level. In a place like that it doesn't really matter if they control actual government posts because their weak governments do do squat.

Hence, these refugees are the "unintended consequences" or BLOWBACK from our decades old foreign policy.
A little bit of mission creep up here isn't very noticeable...UP HERE.
Down THERE however, it translates to "The USA sneezed, and Central America caught pneumonia".

These refugees are our "chickens coming home to roost".
And again, we cannot possibly take all of them but if we manage to accept 40 or 50 percent of them, that's damn good, consider the problem dealt with and call it a day. It's never going to be perfect.
We can also take a revisit to our foreign policy down there and do what can be done on a humanitarian level, and then LESS of these people will want to flee.
That's as good as it gets on that level too.

If it was just the typical banana republic bull****, the flow of refugees would be a tiny trickle and we wouldn't even hear about it but the reason we are is because it is now a full blown humanitarian crisis.

Lastly, no matter how sophisticated our economy becomes, there will always be a need for an underclass to do jobs we cannot or will not do...ALWAYS. Paths to citizenship or legal residency means taxpayers, and it means we get those jobs done, and it means that eventually, they MAKE IT and become assets rather than liabilities.

We are America...we CAN do BOTH, we always have.
We can not and should not be expected to take everyone that wishes to come here.

It is my understanding that those seeking asylum are to seek it "in the first safe country". That would be Mexico.

Mexico is not our friend in this.

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That would depend on what the goals of that legislation are, how it goes about them, what side-effects are caused, and so forth.
Ideally, it would have no extra stuff about something essentially unrelated.

The ideal legislation would fix the issue it set out to while providing a net benefit to everyone, minimal or no side-effects, and as few unrelated things tacked on to buy votes or for political reasons as possible.
Describe "fix the issue"

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If they refuse to assimilate, they'll turn The United States into a third world **** hole just like the one they came from. Face it, illegals aren't the cream of the crop. They're uneducated, unskilled, can't speak English. They're more interested in sucking the government tit than they are in becoming pillars of society. They come here, get free health care, welfare, free schools for their kids. They don't comtribute to society.

"There" is Guatamala, Venezuala, El Salvador, Mexico, etc. You said the other day that you're glad you don't live in a third world country. Keep letting the third world stroll into The United States and you will live in a third world country.

So Hispanic immigrants are terrible people, and immigrants from other countries are great people. Is that about right?

How bigoted of you.
 
This is really what blows a functioning mind. 45 promised the wall. His rabid supporters spit up on themselves with excitement. He said Mexico would pay for it. Mexico said, in real time, months before the election, that it would never pay for it. Now these slobbering 45 supporters and their leader support government shutdowns, the nightmare that is the subject of this thread, and any number of other subhuman measures to make US taxpayers to pay for the wall that he said we would never have to fund.

Un****ingbelievable.

The funniest thing for me about the citizens of Trump Fan Nation is how they're all saying that they actually *knew* that Mexico wasn't going to pay for the wall, and they didn't believe Trump anyway. Their efforts to save their own faces because they know they were suckered by the world's biggest con man is both pathetic and sad at the same time. They can't even be honest about it.
 
Sure do, how good do you think it would be for a child's development to separate them from their parents, and then lock them in a cage? Do you think a grown person crawls into the cage with them to play with an Elmo doll?

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The facilities your lying about here have chain link, true enough, but everyone should realize that these kids are only there for something like 72 hours, where they are then placed in more dorm like facilities.

So, you're lying....again, I'm shocked.

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