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Trump signs executive order to stop family separations at border

Hang on a minute. I'm all for reuniting families, but:

1. Does not the law dictate detaining kids and parents separately? How does an EO fix this?
2. I thought tRump said that this was a Congressional problem. And now he signs an EO to be the solution? Which is it, Donald?
3. There is a severe backlog of immigration cases. How long will it take children and parents to reunite?
4. What about the growing concern of child and sexual abuse allegations at these concentration camps? When will we get a full investigation into those?
 
Phys251 said:
Hang on a minute. I'm all for reuniting families, but:

1. Does not the law dictate detaining kids and parents separately? How does an EO fix this?
2. I thought tRump said that this was a Congressional problem. And now he signs an EO to be the solution? Which is it, Donald?
3. There is a severe backlog of immigration cases. How long will it take children and parents to reunite?
4. What about the growing concern of child and sexual abuse allegations at these concentration camps? When will we get a full investigation into those?
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1. An EO can fix anything, didn't you know that by now?
2. It's a temporary solution.
3. As long as it takes.
4. They are not concentration camps :roll: and what 'growing concern'? Now that their parents are with them, that should take care of that, no?
 
KevinKohler said:
He had to resort to an executive order, something he heavily criticized Obama for. I'll bet he's pissed at himself.
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Except he didn't have to resort to an executive order.

They never had to do it to begin with, so the crisis and the "need" to resort to an executive order to take measures to end a practice which he said he had no control over .... all of his own creation.
 
I don't think the bitching will stop. Once people realize this doesn't mean it's back to catch and release. It just means the families get to stay together while being held until they go to court.

Sec. 3. Temporary Detention Policy for Families Entering this Country Illegally. (a) The Secretary of Homeland Security (Secretary), shall, to the extent permitted by law and subject to the availability of appropriations, maintain custody of alien families during the pendency of any criminal improper entry or immigration proceedings involving their members.

Going to be taking over a bunch of buildings somewhere to keep people:

(c) The Secretary of Defense shall take all legally available measures to provide to the Secretary, upon request, any existing facilities available for the housing and care of alien families, and shall construct such facilities if necessary and consistent with law. The Secretary, to the extent permitted by law, shall be responsible for reimbursement for the use of these facilities.

(d) Heads of executive departments and agencies shall, to the extent consistent with law, make available to the Secretary, for the housing and care of alien families pending court proceedings for improper entry, any facilities that are appropriate for such purposes. The Secretary, to the extent permitted by law, shall be responsible for reimbursement for the use of these facilities.
 
holbritter said:
1. An EO can fix anything, didn't you know that by now?
2. It's a temporary solution.
3. As long as it takes.
4. They are not concentration camps :roll: and what 'growing concern'? Now that their parents are with them, that should take care of that, no?
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1. Not sure if sarcasm or serious. This is the internet, after all.
2. Sounds like a temporary solution that may be full of holes.
3. Oh joy. This ought to be good. :?
4. I'm not going to mince words to describe what these concentration camps really are.
 
I would say he's not going to like not getting credit for undoing a horrendous evil that he did completely by choice.



But he probably will get credit for it.

Watch his approval take a bounce because he signed an executive order ending a practice which he started, a practice which was so horrifying even his own party rebelled, a practice which he voluntarily started for crass political reasons, an executive order which he said he couldn't do, an executive order to accomplish something which he said was illegal.

But his "close the border, they're stealing our jerbs, no sympathy for the children" supporters who were completely on board with Trump wreaking havoc on those families, will now talk about how he has proven he has a great big heart and is a problem solver. Or some absurd version of that.
 
Roadvirus said:
Well this'll piss the Anti-Trumpets off. They won't have this to bitch about anymore.

Guess they'll have to go back to pulling stuff out of their asses.
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Maybe. But it also makes all the Trumpers who were defending this policy look like assholes. So now, after supporting and defending Trump for not acting on this, are they going to condemn him for finally acting on it? Of course not, they are proud of being hypocrites.
 
holbritter said:
Then after 20 days they are split up?
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Sounds like ... but that at least gives them time to decide on their own to go home since they know what's going to happen, or make arrangements for the children and prepare their children for a separation. If the families have warning, it won't be as bad as it is now. They can at least share contact information so they can find each other when this ordeal is over.
 
Crosscheck said:
This is one big Cluster. Just the other day Trump was saying that only congress could fix the problem.

This is all going to come back to Jeff Sessions and Trump will probably be able to get rid of him.
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Its a stop gap solution. Congress has to fix the problem.
 
KevinKohler said:
He had to resort to an executive order, something he heavily criticized Obama for. I'll bet he's pissed at himself.
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He flip floped back and forth several times on this issue. I don't think he is ever pissed at himself, he really doesn't care, he just does whatever he thinks will get him another pat on the back.
 
imagep said:
It is better than having separate kids jails.
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Maybe, but there is some merit in segregating by age, gender and gang affiliation in detention facilities. Not everyone locked up is a really nice person.
 
digsbe said:
Trump signs executive order to stop family separations at border | Fox News

There is now an executive order signed by the president to stop separating children from their illegal alien parents when detained for unlawfully crossing the US border. It appears congress is also to act on this as well.
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Wait - the same family separations we've been hearing for days could only be fixed by the Democrats, because Clinton signed a law and Obama did it too? The same actions yesterday the Administration said they were not going to apologize for? The same action that Jeff Sessions said was sanctioned by the Bible?

How confusing.
 
holbritter said:
Then after 20 days they are split up?
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I don't know. There is this part of the settlement but I'm not sure how it applies. I always thought that the settlement only applied to unaccompanied children but apparently I'm wrong.

14. Where the INS determines that the detention of the minor is not required either to secure his or her
timely appearance before the INS or the immigration court, or to ensure the minor's safety or that of
others, the INS shall release a minor from its custody without unnecessary delay, in the following order of
preference, to:
A. a parent;
B. a legal guardian;
C. an adult relative (brother, sister, aunt, uncle, or grandparent);
D. an adult individual or entity designated by the parent or legal guardian as capable and
willing to care for the minor's well-being in (i) a declaration signed under penalty of perjury
before an immigration or consular officer or (ii) such other document(s) that establish(es) to
the satisfaction of the INS, in its discretion, the affiant's paternity or guardianship;
E. a licensed program willing to accept legal custody; or
F. an adult individual or entity seeking custody, in the discretion of the INS, when it appears
that there is no other likely alternative to long term detention and family reunification does not
appear to be a reasonable possibility.
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https://cliniclegal.org/sites/default/files/attachments/flores_v._reno_settlement_agreement_1.pdf
 
azgreg said:
What was the typo?
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Roadvirus said:
Well this'll piss the Anti-Trumpets off. They won't have this to bitch about anymore.

Guess they'll have to go back to pulling stuff out of their asses.
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It's something that needed to be fixed. Hopefully it is now. Don't worry though, we have plenty to talk about.,,

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digsbe said:
No, they will find a way to bitch about this too more than likely. This was never truly about the kids for some people, it was all about how anything can be used to attack Trump.
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Okay well... if we’re going to have a conversation about “who cares about the kids” and who doesn’t.

Who began this situation and then backed up the person who did it?

Trump and Trump supporters.

While playing political football with kids is bad... What was perpetrated against these families was infinitely worst.

And while Trump backing down has killed the raging erections extremist conservatives got from this policy of treating these people as harshly as possible, I find it a little odd for Trump supporters to whip round and start tut tutting at Liberals for having anything to say about it even though this became quite a bipartisan issue.

It’s as simple as saying if you don’t want your political opposition to use something so utterly indefensible against you as ripping children by the thousand away from their parents... first of all don’t elect leaders that would do it and second don’t defend them when they do.
 
Roadvirus said:
Well this'll piss the Anti-Trumpets off. They won't have this to bitch about anymore.

Guess they'll have to go back to pulling stuff out of their asses.
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I was just wondering how his supporters will reverse their arguments now. Thanks for the tip.
 
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