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Youngest Migrants Held in 'Tender Age' Shelters

I have children too, and if I was in a situation so dire that I was risking all of our lives for a better life I'd care more that my kids were getting three square meals and a warm bed away from traffickers and rapists than I was that they were being kept with me. Why do you think so many, if fact the majority, of the parents of children crossing the border sent them alone or with a stranger in the first place? It is because the kids are better off where they are than where they were, with or without the parents.

I disagree. Sorry. There’s no reason why the children need to be taken away. Keep the families together.


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I have children too, and if I was in a situation so dire that I was risking all of our lives for a better life I'd care more that my kids were getting three square meals and a warm bed away from traffickers and rapists than I was that they were being kept with me. Why do you think so many, if fact the majority, of the parents of children crossing the border sent them alone or with a stranger in the first place? It is because the kids are better off where they are than where they were, with or without the parents.

If you have children then you must understand what it would feel like for your young child to be ripped away from you without warning. Show some compassion.


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and then they keep coming....nothing deters them

this WILL deter them

is it harsh? yeah

does it need to be? yeah

our borders MUST remain sovereign....and there is only so much we can do for the suffering and the poor

and as far as i am concerned, we have enough of those already here

And there it is. **** the constitution, eh? Cruel is fine as long as they're brown.

I'm glad you people are starting to just openly admit this. It's going to really help out in November.
 
I disagree. Sorry. There’s no reason why the children need to be taken away. Keep the families together.

Well you disagree with the majority of parents of those kids, then.

Also, for the kids that have been actually ripped from their parents arms and dragged across the border with the intention of selling them into slavery, I'm pretty glad our government is taking the steps to ensure they are safe and protected and removed from that situation.
 
I would agree that this isn't solely the Democrats fault. Republicans share the blame with them.

Putting this 100% on Trump though is equally as unfair. Trump is living up to the oath he took to uphold the law. If congress does not like the law they need to change it. If they put a bill on his desk and he vertos it, then we can talk about Trumps culpability.



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He can end the practice with a phone call. He has the authority to do this. He chooses not to.

Do you agree with that choice?
 
Are you for real? They are freaking babies. Babies!!! I have two of them, aged 3 and 5. The only important thing to them is to be loved by me and their father. To be held and cared for unconditionally. I know because I am a mother. One day without me and they miss me. I can’t even imagine them being thrust into a center with other kids they don’t know and no caregiver that they can trust. Listen to the tape of the 6 year old Salvadoran girl who is pleading and crying to authorities to try to find her aunt who can get to her mother. She had to memorize her phone number out of desperation. I have a 5 year old son who is half Salvadoran so I guess it hits close to home. My husband had to flee gang violence in El Salvador. Try to have a heart, please. These kids don’t know any better. They are just desperate to find their loved ones. What kind of impact do you think this will have on them? I agree we can’t take every Central American in, but why would we further their stress and suffering and take away their children???


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So what then do you think should be done to stop these waves of immigration flooding our gates?

Offer me a solution.

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Now we know where the babies and toddlers are.



https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/06/19/us/ap-us-immigration-toddlers-detained.html

There are three of them in Combs, Raymondville and Brownsville. A fourth is scheduled to open in Houston in a warehouse used to shelter hurricane victims. The mayor, Sylvester Turner, asked Southwest Key Programs to reconsider opening it. This is his personal line with these children.

This is unconscionable.

Well I mean, it's called Tender Age facilities, so we know it will be OK.
 
So what then do you think should be done to stop these waves of immigration flooding our gates?

Offer me a solution.

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I honestly don’t know. I don’t have a viable solution. But separating families is counterproductive at this point. Nor is it moral. I don’t agree with it.


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He can end the practice with a phone call. He has the authority to do this. He chooses not to.

Do you agree with that choice?
If the choice is between catch and release or detain and seperate. I accept the latter as the lesser of 2 evils

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Well first off the statistics you have are from Children released during the Obama admin, so of course they were released to kinda citizens who merely lack documents.

HHS made this statement

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hh...unaccompanied-alien-children-program.html?amp

Here’s an NBC article pre-Justice Department IG report about how the Trump administration ended this very thing

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna879606

My data is from 2017. I thought President Trump took office in Jan. 2017. Just since April of this year 2,000 immigrant children have put into the system.
 
My data is from 2017. I thought President Trump took office in Jan. 2017. Just since April of this year 2,000 immigrant children have put into the system.

It was published in 2017 and the calls were made 6 months after placement as a follow up, so if you’re thinking 6 months after place, plus having to compile the data and release it it couldn’t really have occurred after trumps inauguration

And the 2000 children are not missing, DHS knows for sure where they are


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Taking a child from a parent is quite traumatic and immoral. Oh yes it is. But why are they being taken?
I think part of the blame must be on past administrations. The blame also lies with those who are telling these people that it is ok to cross borders illegally. Can someone tell them it is not? Why is Mexico letting CAs thought? Wouldn't that be the first line of defense? They arrest people coming in from our side of the border. Why the heck is it Trump's fault? Is he telling people to come? He is in office for almost 2 years now, immigration was part of his platform.

Nobody else besides the people forcing the immoral policy are responsible. This policy makes no sense and is merely to inflict cruelty under the theory that if we can be more cruel than the reasons people are fleeing, they'll not flee.
 
Its unconscionable to separate babies from their mothers at abortion clinics too but it happens every day.

A ZEF is not a baby. Deal with it.

This thread ain't about abortion anyway - there's a forum for that.
 
I never said anyone was being enslaved. You are twisting my words. You know perfectly well what I’m saying. Enforcing laws that are immoral and that clearly affect the well being of children does not make it right. The children don’t know any better and all they want is their mom and dad. They don’t understand the legalities or the policies. It’s inhumane. Stop trying to justify it because “Obama”. It’s wrong and disgusting no matter under what administration and should end now.


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I twisted no words, bringing slavery into the conversation was irrelevant and I stated why.

Yes, I believe it's bad law, not immoral. The immorality is the parents placing their children in this position not to mention the immorality of placing the children in adult detention. So I ask, what do we do the children of parents placed in detention ??
 
Nobody else besides the people forcing the immoral policy are responsible. This policy makes no sense and is merely to inflict cruelty under the theory that if we can be more cruel than the reasons people are fleeing, they'll not flee.

The policy is deliberate and it is cheered on by Trump's base. That it angers the left and many other non-Trumpers is just a fringe benefit.
 
The children are not being enslaved or discrimated against on account of race

What about age discrimination? We have child labor laws. There should be a law taking a child away from his parents without due process.
 
I honestly don’t know. I don’t have a viable solution. But separating families is counterproductive at this point. Nor is it moral. I don’t agree with it.


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I understand and respect your position. I also respectfully disagree.

When you look at the numbers there's something foul going on here.

It appears as if they are attempting to use our compassion as a way to circumvent our immigration laws.

I think tough love is the remedy here. We have to send them a clear message that we do not have an open border policy. If it's that bad where they are go somewhere else we don't have room right now.

If people here don't like families being seperated, congress needs to change the laws.

I know that sounds harsh to you but the fact is that congress should of fixed this problem a long time ago and they have been absentee on the issue. This is the only way to make them do their job. Everyone should be disgusted with congress, not trump. At least not yet with trump. If they pass a reasonable bill and he vetos it I will join you in your condemnation of him.

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What about age discrimination? We have child labor laws. There should be a law taking a child away from his parents without due process.

Well fortunately Barack Obama (who Just as a by and by de facto legalized black African slavery in Libya) is gone so no more giving away children to be worked illegally in meat packing plants
And farms

https://www.washingtonpost.com


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Trump should be prosecuted by the International Criminal Court for crimes against humanity.

Great idea. I have another. How about the Congress of the United States strap on some balls and actually exercise their powers under the Constitution to make checks and balances actually work?
 
The policy is deliberate and it is cheered on by Trump's base. That it angers the left and many other non-Trumpers is just a fringe benefit.

It just makes me sad, honestly. Some of that audio is just really heartbreaking trying to listen to.
 
Ryan is speaking... he is saying we can enforce immigration laws and still keep families together. Yes, finally, a Republican voice of reason. Keep the families together! They will vote tomorrow. Sad that it had to come to this and that many children will never see their parents again.
 
It just makes me sad, honestly. Some of that audio is just really heartbreaking trying to listen to.

I balled my eyes out listening to it. I wasn’t going to but I made myself. Of course, what did we expect to hear?


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It just makes me sad, honestly. Some of that audio is just really heartbreaking trying to listen to.

This is just a game Trump is playing. He's pissed he is not getting his wall, so he made this policy shift and is scooping up thousands of children, shipping them to various "shelters" and keeping them...we don't know how long....but he'll keep this behavior up until he gets his wall.
 
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