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Youngest Migrants Held in 'Tender Age' Shelters

ludin said:
Should we do the same to all the social service people that yank kids out of their homes?
When their parents have committed crimes as well?
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Only in a Kafka nightmare do parents seeking asylum have their babies taken away and then the parents are deported. The govt seems not to have any way of tracking and matching babies to parents.
 
gulfman said:
Its unconscionable to separate babies from their mothers at abortion clinics too but it happens every day.
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Oh, so that means you oppose this the same way you (I presume) oppose abortion?
 
MovingPictures said:
The children are being kept even after their parents are deported, so no cigar for your chicken **** deflection.
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Citation please.

My understanding is that if the detainees don't claim asylum, and simply plead guilty to illegal entry, then they are processed out within 24 -48 hours and their children are returned to them.

That is unless there is some reasonable suspicion that the detainees are NOT the parents, in which case the children are classified as "unaccompanied" and processed by HHS per the Unaccompanied Alien Children programs.

Unaccompanied Alien Children Frequently Asked Questions.
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https://www.acf.hhs.gov/orr/unaccompanied-children-frequently-asked-questions
 
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gulfman said:
Send the kids back with their parents
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That's what we're asking, but the Dysfunctional Family in the WH, refuses that policy, so they can use these children as a bargaining chip for politics.
 
Gina said:
Now we know where the babies and toddlers are.



https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/06/19/us/ap-us-immigration-toddlers-detained.html

There are three of them in Combs, Raymondville and Brownsville. A fourth is scheduled to open in Houston in a warehouse used to shelter hurricane victims. The mayor, Sylvester Turner, asked Southwest Key Programs to reconsider opening it. This is his personal line with these children.

This is unconscionable.
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Congress knows what to do.....but can they?.......they have long been nearly useless.
 
CriticalThought said:
When there is a clear and present danger to the child, not because the parent broke a misdemeanor law.
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Depends on the law. CPS will investigate everything and the child can be temporary removed.p till the investigation is over.
 
gulfman said:
Its unconscionable to separate babies from their mothers at abortion clinics too but it happens every day.
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No its not..
they are doing this to get past the loopholes in our immigration law
and people like fall for it.
what a pushover.
 
MTAtech said:
Only in a Kafka nightmare do parents seeking asylum have their babies taken away and then the parents are deported. The govt seems not to have any way of tracking and matching babies to parents.
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I asked you for evidence that parents were being deported without their kids.
You have yet to supply that information.
 
Amelia said:
Parents who commit misdemeanors don't usually get their children snatched away from them and put in warehouses.


These children are being emotionally abused so that Trump can blackmail Democrats into paying for a wall that Trump said Americans wouldn't have to pay for.

Trump is flat out evil. People who defend Trump have left their consciences at the door.
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Uhm, parents who bring their kids along during the commissions of even misdemeanors absolutely do get separated. We don’t send the kids to jail with them.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Actually it’s perfectly conscionable, their “parents” (or unrelated smugglers) shouldn’t have showed up illegally at the border, get caught, and refused to plead guilty and file a frivolous asylum claim. Also we can’t just hand children over to custody of someone who may not even be their real parent, which is a very frequent occurrence, Obama’s gone so we don’t hand kids over to human traffickers anymore
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They used to be prosecuted in civil court. Session's zero-tolerance order changed that. They are now being charged as criminals, and this is the result. A humanitarian crisis.

Well over 2,000 have been separated from their parents since his order to do so. They can't all be human traffickers. This crisis was manufactured by the Trump administration. No one wants to hand them over, but it's pretty obvious when a child is screaming as they are taken from their mother, that that's their mother. Surely the ICE agents are trained how to spot suspicious persons are caught with children.

So if you believe the parents are being reckless, why make it worse by separating vulnerable children from their parents? It's inhumane. These people are looking for a better life to escape gang violence, the certainty of rape and kidnapping as well.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Congress knows what to do.....but can they?.......they have long been nearly useless.
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The president can end it with a phone call. It's his policy. Congress has bills going forward, like the Cruz bill. I'm not sure I support it, but it would end this heinous policy. Trump won't sign it because it exponentially increases judges for the purpose of assessing asylum. He won't sign anything without funding for the wall.
 
X Factor said:
Uhm, parents who bring their kids along during the commissions of even misdemeanors absolutely do get separated. We don’t send the kids to jail with them.
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No. Parents don't usually get sent to jail for misdemeanors.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Actually it’s perfectly conscionable, their “parents” (or unrelated smugglers) shouldn’t have showed up illegally at the border, get caught, and refused to plead guilty and file a frivolous asylum claim. Also we can’t just hand children over to custody of someone who may not even be their real parent, which is a very frequent occurrence, Obama’s gone so we don’t hand kids over to human traffickers anymore
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What frivolous asylum claims are you referencing? Please cite, oh, 10 cases.

Step up.
 
Amelia said:
No. Parents don't usually get sent to jail for misdemeanors.
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Take your child, and brake into someone's house with him/her in tow.


See how fast you get separated, lol.
 
Amelia said:
No. Parents don't usually get sent to jail for misdemeanors.
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Depends on the misdemeanor. Trying to cross the border illegally will get you locked up.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
What frivolous asylum claims are you referencing? Please cite, oh, 10 cases.

Step up.
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Multiple from Honduras, I'm sure there are scores of them. What are they fleeing? Gang violence.

We got that here, and last I checked, we have journalists claiming that our schools are war zones, with students being in greater danger than soldiers. But yeah, sure, gang violence in Honduras.
 
KevinKohler said:
Take your child, and brake into someone's house with him/her in tow.


See how fast you get separated, lol.
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You have to remember their entire argument is based on an appeal to emotion not logic and reason.
 
KevinKohler said:
Multiple from Honduras, I'm sure there are scores of them. What are they fleeing? Gang violence.

We got that here, and last I checked, we have journalists claiming that our schools are war zones, with students being in greater danger than soldiers. But yeah, sure, gang violence in Honduras.
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Gang violence in Honduras is a real problem. At it's not even in the same universe as it is here.

So, then, what specific frivolous claims are you referring to?

Please be very specific. A few docket numbers would be good.

No, I'll wait. Please don't run away.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
The POTUS can change this in, literally, seconds.

WE USED TO HAVE ROLLERSKATES MADE FROM ASPARAGUS GUM
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Only by going catch and release or otherwise not prosecuting illegal crossers, that's not an option. So no he cannot change this, congress has to.
 
MovingPictures said:
That's what we're asking, but the Dysfunctional Family in the WH, refuses that policy, so they can use these children as a bargaining chip for politics.
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OMG, learn the law. We literally cannot legally deport someone who has claimed asylum. Asylum is a defense to deportation. When asylum is not asserted, families are reunited within a period of days, then returned home. Another entry after deportation is a felony.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Rejection rates range from 75% to over 80%

How likely are asylum-seekers from Central American caravan to win their cases?

Asylum is only for persecution, not for lviing in a high crime country, many claim abusive spouses or gang crime, these are responsibility of law enforcement in their home countries, and are not valid asylum claims. they are thus frivolous.
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That does nothing to address the assertion that the claims are actually frivolous. Just that they're rejected.

Apart from redefiining a word in the English language, and trying to pretend that 'rejection' equates to 'frivolous', try again and try harder.
 
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