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‘Are you dead, sir?’: Video shows ER doctor mocking patient who said he couldn’t breathe

apdst said:
Exactly and the medical personel don't have time to **** around, because there are people with actual emergencies waiting to be treated.
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I'm still waiting to hear someone explain what was said that has their panties so badly twisted.
 
VanceMack said:
I'm still waiting to hear someone explain what was said that has their panties so badly twisted.
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They're trying to figure how to blame it on President Trump.
 
VanceMack said:
I'm still waiting to hear someone explain what was said that has their panties so badly twisted.
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Because doctors really shouldn't mock their patients. It is unprofessional. That so hard to understand?

I understand she has a stressful job. So what. She's not the only one in the universe who does. If the stresses of the job are so bad that she can't control her emotions and winds up mocking a patient then she needs to find a less stressful job.
 
Gaius46 said:
Because doctors really shouldn't mock their patients. It is unprofessional. That so hard to understand?

I understand she has a stressful job. So what. She's not the only one in the universe who does. If the stresses of the job are so bad that she can't control her emotions and winds up mocking a patient then she needs to find a less stressful job.
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Oh for **** sake. He said "I cant inhale". Someone that cant inhale must be dead. She asked him if he was dead because thats what happens to people that cant inhale. Hell...he didnt even pass out. He didnt even have labored breathing. His OS was at 100%. He demonstrated physical strength will, and ability.

Mocked. Getthe****outtaheah. You people are precious.
 
VanceMack said:
Oh for **** sake. He said "I cant inhale". Someone that cant inhale must be dead. She asked him if he was dead because thats what happens to people that cant inhale. Hell...he didnt even pass out. He didnt even have labored breathing. His OS was at 100%. He demonstrated physical strength will, and ability.

Mocked. Getthe****outtaheah. You people are precious.
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We disagree. She was unprofessional as far as I'm concerned and deserves to take on the chin for that. Maybe not lose her job but she ****ed up.
 
Gaius46 said:
We disagree. She was unprofessional as far as I'm concerned and deserves to take on the chin for that. Maybe not lose her job but she ****ed up.
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Like I said...I wish some of you people lived in the real world for even a week.
 
VanceMack said:
You dont live in the real world.
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Wonder if I can use that on the bank that has the note on my house. I don't live in the real world so it's really not a real house.

In the "real world" being a jerk-off is cool? Maybe I should move to the real world.
 
VanceMack said:
You dont live in the real world.
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Oh really, was there not an article saying she was let go because of this. Therefore, in the real world, her actions had consequences. And there are countless people who's actions lead to their firing. In the real world.

You'd probably argue the sky is red just to argue with people. Pretty pathetic
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Oh really, was there not an article saying she was let go because of this. Therefore, in the real world, her actions had consequences. And there are countless people who's actions lead to their firing. In the real world.

You'd probably argue the sky is red just to argue with people. Pretty pathetic
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The hospital responded out of fear of lawsuits and public image...but she didnt work for the hospital. In fact, across the country, few ER docs do. She no longer works at that hospital. That doesnt mean she was fired.

Sure...actions have consequences. Ive said several times here...she came across as a jerk. I also have said and still say...you people have no clue what THEIR real world is like. ER docs deal with some of the most constant and inane **** imaginable. ERs are societies catch all. And you snowflakes have your panties twisted over...what exactly? The man said he couldnt inhale. What was he VERY CLEARLY doing? Inhaling. In fact...he wasnt just inhaling...he was inhaling at 100% efficiency. The man said he didnt have the strength to pull himself up...after he demonstrated the physical strength to fight against her. And Im STILL waiting to hear what the fireable offense was supposed to be. Dood said he cant inhale...she asked him if he was dead. Obviously he wasnt dead...and obviously...he could inhale. He was med seeking...and she knew it.
 
HK.227 said:
Unnecessary.
The problem is that her conduct is unprofessional.
Explain to her, that even if 99% of patients with the same symptoms and diagnosis would be fakers, you still act professionally. If nothing else, then because there is always the 1%.
You are not perfect, and neither are the colleagues or instruments you depend upon. Whether because of mixed samples, errors in judgement, or discovery of a new friggin disease, there is always a possibility that the patient is right and you are wrong, so you act professionally. Besides, acting like a professional is one of the few services in healthcare that doesn't cost money, so you should always strive to provide it.

This is about attitudes, and those can mostly be fixed. Remedy should at least be attempted before disposing of someone like a sack of garbage.
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If she doesnt want to be disposed of like a sack of garbage she shouldnt act like one :shrug:

the issue to me is she is a professional and if it was any of ONE her acts ALONE, f bombs, other cussing, telling the patient they are lying and full of ****, mocking them, telling him she knows what you people want, the security before an exam even starts etc etc then yes WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES and just better train her but she did ALL of those things and more. Its negligent and abusive and i think its way more than attitude I think she has some type of issue higher than attitude.

Im glad this hospital terminated her services . . . hopefully her direct company reviews everything and they also make a determination.
 
AGENT J said:
If she doesnt want to be disposed of like a sack of garbage she shouldnt act like one :shrug:
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The guy appears to be faking it. You never lost your cool when someone was screwing around with you?
It's one incident. As long as they don't cause irrevocable damage, I think people should be allowed to learn from their mistakes.
 
HK.227 said:
1.)The guy appears to be faking it.
2.) You never lost your cool when someone was screwing around with you?
3.) It's one incident.
4.) As long as they don't cause irrevocable damage, I think people should be allowed to learn from their mistakes.
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1.) i see nothign that suggest that, even if he was, that doesnt excuse her behaviour has an ER doctor at all
2.) of course . . but i see no real evidence of anybody screwing with her. Theres more evidence of her screwing with him. Also when i did lose my cool it was never to that degree over something i was wrong over and never in a professional setting. If i did i would expect to be fired, they probably wouldnt get a chance because i would resign.
3.) one incident with multiple wrong doings including negligence (kind of important as an ER doctor to not do that)
4.) she can but not at this hospital and maybe in the future. Like i said in another post terminating her from this hospital is what minumum should happen. IMO If the review confirms what we seem to know now already or more...... her license should be put under review. Any possible return to treating patients should only be after a psych eval and additional training with a requirement to be shadowed for a certain amount of time. Meaning she does not get to be a lead doctor, her decisions and conduct will be chaperoned for a while followed by a performance review.

Certain jobs come with a higher set of standards and less wiggle room for mistakes and misconduct . . just how life is.

A construction working painting lines on a road who has his paint cans knocked over by elementary kids walking home from school could probably yell at kids and call them little stupid bastards and not be fired, maybe suspended or relocated off the projected etc. A school teacher doing the same thing to kids knocking over thier paint during a project not so much.

This doctors horrible behavior IMO require WAY MUCH MORE than a "talking too" and so far the hospital agreed.
 
AGENT J said:
This doctors horrible behavior IMO require WAY MUCH MORE than a "talking too" and so far the hospital agreed.
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Obviously it's an individual thing how people weigh the pros and cons.
Doctors screw up all the time. Mostly noone dies, but sometimes they do. Doesn't mean that the doctors are automatically sacked.
I see a proportionality in that, where someone having a meltdown isn't something to be all that concerned about. Fix it and move on.
Sure, there will be some fallout because the video went viral, but being nice will also tell your staff that they don't have to walk around being nervous all the time that you are going to fire them because they made one bad decision.
Main thing is, that as a patient at that hospital I would be worried if management hadn't taken action against said doctor, and I would be comfortable if they did, even if it didn't entail firing her.

Anyway, when we each have our own hospital, we can fire or retain the staff by our preference, and we'll both be happy.
 
HK.227 said:
1.)Obviously it's an individual thing how people weigh the pros and cons.
2.) Doctors screw up all the time. Mostly noone dies, but sometimes they do. Doesn't mean that the doctors are automatically sacked.
3.) I see a proportionality in that, where someone having a meltdown isn't something to be all that concerned about. Fix it and move on.
4.) Sure, there will be some fallout because the video went viral, but being nice will also tell your staff that they don't have to walk around being nervous all the time that you are going to fire them because they made one bad decision.
5.) Main thing is, that as a patient at that hospital I would be worried if management hadn't taken action against said doctor, and I would be comfortable if they did, even if it didn't entail firing her.
6.)Anyway, when we each have our own hospital, we can fire or retain the staff by our preference, and we'll both be happy.
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1.) correct id say its more a societal, accountability, liability and back lash thing. We'll all have individual opinions of course but she deserved fired from this hospital for sure.
2.) Never made that claim, please dont start with random off topic strawmen. theres a real difference between mistakes when TRYING to do good and mistakes of being a vile unprofessional asshole on purpose and not trying to do good.
3.) for an ER doctor against a patient showing negligence? its definitely worth a firing and review. Its too key to doing a good job to be over looked. its too high a risk to peoples lives and too high a liability vs proper treatment and safety
4.) LMAO no NORMAL staff will be "nervous" over this idiots termination because normal staff will think the lady was fired over one mistake. thats about as intellectually dishonest as it gets. they wont be nervous at all because none of them are just are worried about just uncontrollably dropping F bombs to a patient who was non aggressive and came in my ambulance from collapsing at a college practice. Its not NORMAL behavior so theres no need for fear.
5.) i would never be happy with anything less from THIS hospital and again they agreed.
6.) my hospital will be the safer, better facility mush less likely to make mistakes and go under do to liability if you would just have a "talking" with doctors of grossly behave negligent like this. :)
 
HK.227 said:
You are welcome to your opinion, but I don't see much point in continuing the discussion.
Good day to you.
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Since she was fired I agree not much point.... we'll see if it ends there or if her contracting company also terminate/discipline/her. I know one thing for sure, IMO minimum i would never want this nut working on me or anybody I loved .
 
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