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Judge strikes down Kansas voter ID law, orders Kobach take legal classes

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http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/392893-judge-rules-against-kobach-in-voter-registration-case

In the 118-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Julie Robinson wrote that the state’s requirement that voters show proof of citizenship during registration was unconstitutional and a violation of the National Voter Registration Act.

Robinson struck down the stringent law, and ordered Kobach to take six additional hours of continuing legal education that “pertain to federal or Kansas civil rules of procedure or evidence.”
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Now Mr. Korbach that is a kick to the nuts.
Thoughts are?
 
Seems reasonable, but I don't know the laws in Kansas any better than (apparently) the Judge thinks Kobach does.
 
Kobach is tyrannical, stupid and hypocritical:
  • Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a longtime proponent of voter suppression efforts, argued before state lawmakers that his office needed special power to prosecute voter fraud, because he knew of 100 such cases in his state. After being granted these powers, he has brought six such cases, of which only four have been successful. The secretary has also testified about his review of 84 million votes cast in 22 states, which yielded 14 instances of fraud referred for prosecution, which amounts to a 0.00000017% voting fraud rate.
Taking additional legal training isn't the only genre of education Kobach sorely needs.
 
Xelor said:
Kobach is tyrannical, stupid and hypocritical:
  • Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a longtime proponent of voter suppression efforts, argued before state lawmakers that his office needed special power to prosecute voter fraud, because he knew of 100 such cases in his state. After being granted these powers, he has brought six such cases, of which only four have been successful. The secretary has also testified about his review of 84 million votes cast in 22 states, which yielded 14 instances of fraud referred for prosecution, which amounts to a 0.00000017% voting fraud rate.
Taking additional legal training isn't the only genre of education Kobach sorely needs.
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Claims of voter fraud are the standard tactic currently used as an excuse for voter suppression laws.
 
The Mark said:
Claims of voter fraud are the standard tactic currently used as an excuse for voter suppression laws.
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I didn't know that, but it seems plausible that the claim is SOP for the noted tactic.
 
Xelor said:
I didn't know that, but it seems plausible that the claim is SOP for the noted tactic.
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I may have cut out a bunch of the evidence and arguments, but it basically boils down to the following timeline:

Claims of voter fraud, laws passed to combat it (at least part, sometimes all, of the reason claimed), those laws get challenged for how they suppress voters, in some cases mainly minority voters.

I've seen multiple stories about this in various states over the past few years.
 
JANFU said:
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/392893-judge-rules-against-kobach-in-voter-registration-case

Now Mr. Korbach that is a kick to the nuts.
Thoughts are?
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Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. He's a corrupt liar, who is trying to use the law to disenfranchise citizens from voting. Some of what he has done would be understandable from a moron, but he's actually very smart so we know his incredibly flawed matching program, for example, is flawed because it serves the purpose of kicking likely Democrats off the rolls. The flaws (using incomplete data to produce "matches" that will result in cancelled voter registrations) are a feature, not a bug.
 
OscarLevant said:
Kobach is the architect of "Interstate Crosscheck". Google it. Kobach is the voter suppression king.
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Amazing & sad how far the Republican Party has sunk, and they have not reached bottom yet.
 
OscarLevant said:
Kobach is the architect of "Interstate Crosscheck". Google it. Kobach is the voter suppression king.
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Yeah, it's terrible and they know it's terrible and push it because it's a good way to purge likely democrats. There is no 'coincidence' that minorities, including blacks, are more likely to have the same names, and if they share names in a greater proportion than whites, they are also likely to share birthdays, and therefore show up on preliminary purge lists. If Kobach was stupid, you could excuse his crappy system by concluding an idiot designed it, but he's very smart so the only real conclusion is he designed it TO CREATE false positives.

Here's an article in WaPo about the error plagued program. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...to-take-it-nationwide/?utm_term=.16d24000931b

Another article in Rolling Stone: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-gops-stealth-war-against-voters-w435890

We were able to obtain more [Crosscheck] lists – Georgia and Washington state, the total number of voters adding up to more than 1 million matches – and Crosscheck's results seemed at best deeply flawed. We found that one-fourth of the names on the list actually lacked a middle-name match. The system can also mistakenly identify fathers and sons as the same voter, ignoring designations of Jr. and Sr. A whole lot of people named "James Brown" are suspected of voting or registering twice, 357 of them in Georgia alone. But according to Crosscheck, James Willie Brown is supposed to be the same voter as James Arthur Brown. James Clifford Brown is allegedly the same voter as James Lynn Brown.
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We had Mark Swedlund, a database expert whose clients include eBay and American Express, look at the data from Georgia and Virginia, and he was shocked by Crosscheck's "childish methodology." He added, "God forbid your name is Garcia, of which there are 858,000 in the U.S., and your first name is Joseph or Jose. You're probably suspected of voting in 27 states."
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That's a feature of Kobach's program, not a bug. The guy is a fraud and a liar. Thank goodness the election commission announced soon after Trump was elected was later disbanded because anything with this guy anywhere in the room is guaranteed to be a fraudulent and partisan effort to promote GOP friendly voter purges and other means of disenfranchising likely Democratic voters - poor, inner city, and minorities.
 
Moderate Right said:
Yet one more example of a liberal judge making law up as they go along and then having their decision overturned later on.
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The Judge enforced the laws.
Korbach was previously held in contempt of court by skirting regulations.
Then sent back for further education on the laws.
Kobach held in contempt in voter registration case | TheHill
In a court order, U.S. District Judge Julie Robinson tore into Kobach, an outspoken proponent of stricter voting laws, for failing to send postcards notifying thousands of voters of their registration.
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And this post lays out the wilful attacks on legal voters and deliberate voter suppression.
JasperL said:
Yeah, it's terrible and they know it's terrible and push it because it's a good way to purge likely democrats. There is no 'coincidence' that minorities, including blacks, are more likely to have the same names, and if they share names in a greater proportion than whites, they are also likely to share birthdays, and therefore show up on preliminary purge lists. If Kobach was stupid, you could excuse his crappy system by concluding an idiot designed it, but he's very smart so the only real conclusion is he designed it TO CREATE false positives.

Here's an article in WaPo about the error plagued program. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...to-take-it-nationwide/?utm_term=.16d24000931b

Another article in Rolling Stone: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-gops-stealth-war-against-voters-w435890



That's a feature of Kobach's program, not a bug. The guy is a fraud and a liar. Thank goodness the election commission announced soon after Trump was elected was later disbanded because anything with this guy anywhere in the room is guaranteed to be a fraudulent and partisan effort to promote GOP friendly voter purges and other means of disenfranchising likely Democratic voters - poor, inner city, and minorities.
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Moderate Right said:
Yet one more example of a liberal judge making law up as they go along and then having their decision overturned later on.
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Yet one more example of you claiming a judge is 'making up a law as they go along' and yet you cannot cite what was made up.
 
Moderate Right said:
Yet one more example of a liberal judge making law up as they go along and then having their decision overturned later on.
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Yeah, liberal, appointed by George W. Bush.

BTW, interested to hear a legal scholar such as yourself tell us what about her opinion and decision is contrary to the law and established precedent.
 
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