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President Trump tells Pentagon to create ‘Space Force’

Prepare ship for ludacris speed
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jmotivator said:
Well, NASA isn't into manned space flight that much anymore.
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WE NEED more space exploration funding! we need to start resolving how to get our asses out into the solar system to EFFICIENTLY make us of all those resources in the asteroid belt to solve problems HERE on earth (such as NOT tearing it up to mine for crap)...and even more far fetched stuff, such as how to use the one furnace none of our trash can lay a hand on polluting as a waste disposal , to stop using our planet! these COULD BE DOABLE with just small breakthroughs and a permanent presence in space.
 
PoS said:
The USAF is, and I bet theyre pissed off about this. There already is a Space Command within the Air Force.



I agree in that the militirization of space is inevitable, but we're a long way off. The new space race is still in its infancy.
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I actually agree with that.

I'll admit to have gotten caught up in the moment. I imagine this will likely just be Air Force Space Command but made into it's own branch and possibly with more funding as well, assuming it goes through. It could become a full on space militarization project later, I suppose, but we're not exactly able to do such a thing in the immediate future.
 
Hypothetical said:
WE NEED more space exploration funding! we need to start resolving how to get our asses out into the solar system to EFFICIENTLY make us of all those resources in the asteroid belt to solve problems HERE on earth (such as NOT tearing it up to mine for crap)...and even more far fetched stuff, such as how to use the one furnace none of our trash can lay a hand on polluting as a waste disposal , to stop using our planet! these COULD BE DOABLE with just small breakthroughs and a permanent presence in space.
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Well, I've always been a proponent of establishing a moon base as a jumping point toward the rest of the solar system. There are enough resources on the Moon to produce an effective and efficient fuel production and launch platform for the rest of the solar system. We would still need to do large scale production here on earth to deliver the components of space craft and base structures, but it would eventually become self sustaining, and then the Moon would also be used as a last stop for materials on their way back to earth.

From the moon a Mars expedition becomes easier... though still daunting. The issue with Mars is it has a significant gravity that complicates any thought of a return trip since it becomes design prohibitive to send a ship with enough fuel to escape Martian gravity... let alone land such a ship safely on Mars.
 
jmotivator said:
Well, I've always been a proponent of establishing a moon base as a jumping point toward the rest of the solar system. There are enough resources on the Moon to produce an effective and efficient fuel production and launch platform for the rest of the solar system. We would still need to do large scale production here on earth to deliver the components of space craft and base structures, but it would eventually become self sustaining, and then the Moon would also be used as a last stop for materials on their way back to earth.

From the moon a Mars expedition becomes easier... though still daunting. The issue with Mars is it has a significant gravity that complicates any thought of a return trip since it becomes design prohibitive to send a ship with enough fuel to escape Martian gravity... let alone land such a ship safely on Mars.
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yeah those are good ideas, and we need breakthrough's like space elevator type stuff, the reusable rockets Musk is working with, ultra efficient drives and such , but it certainly could happen... we just need more funding for such things to make it.
 
Hypothetical said:
yeah those are good ideas, and we need breakthrough's like space elevator type stuff, the reusable rockets Musk is working with, ultra efficient drives and such , but it certainly could happen... we just need more funding for such things to make it.
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I think the real advances will be in spaceplanes like the XS-1, aircraft capable of leaving the earth's atmosphere and re-entering safely and repeatedly. Such a platform would allow a safer and more efficient delivery systems to orbit.

Now, clearly the ultimate goal is to create actual manufacturing capability on the moon such that resources can be mined and smelted and transformed into space-faring craft that never need to deal with launching in Earth's gravity. Such production would allow truly massive scale building on the scale only imagine in science fiction, and allow the production and delivery of large habitable ships capable of parking in orbit around any planet desired.
 
jimbo said:
Not just satellites, which are vitally important, but attacks on anything from above.

Being prepared is not a bad idea. WW I was initially fought with no current weaponry. The shoulder arm was 20 year old. Wheeled weaponry similarly. At the beginning of WW II, the US had no bombers, few ships, and still using the same '03 Springfield shoulder arm.
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Once upon a time we humans had this idea that we could agree to not militarize space.

Clearly we could not manage.
 
Imagine Trump coming across aliens :lol: yeah we're so screwed
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Once upon a time we humans had this idea that we could agree to not militarize space.

Clearly we could not manage.
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We were managing fine until you people elected a giant baby
 
HERA the Stars said:
Imagine Trump coming across aliens :lol: yeah we're so screwed
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"This group appears to have the option to elect its own leadership but chooses to place a member of this other species in charge. Curious."
 
"The Kessler syndrome, a runaway chain reaction of collisions exponentially increasing the amount of debris, has been hypothesized to ensue beyond a critical density. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_debris

Until recently, no one bothered to work on the aftermath of a conflict in Space. The idea was too stupid to bother with.

Yes, kiddies, we are that stupid.

We would turn LEO into a shotgun blast that would trash everything in orbit, and lock us out of Space for a generation. We should be able to get a few rockets into high orbit, and restore some things. For most things, the cost would be prohibitive.

And if an ELE asteroid wants to give us a kiss, during that period, you can kiss your species goodbye.
 
jmotivator said:
Well, I've always been a proponent of establishing a moon base as a jumping point toward the rest of the solar system. There are enough resources on the Moon to produce an effective and efficient fuel production and launch platform for the rest of the solar system. We would still need to do large scale production here on earth to deliver the components of space craft and base structures, but it would eventually become self sustaining, and then the Moon would also be used as a last stop for materials on their way back to earth.

From the moon a Mars expedition becomes easier... though still daunting. The issue with Mars is it has a significant gravity that complicates any thought of a return trip since it becomes design prohibitive to send a ship with enough fuel to escape Martian gravity... let alone land such a ship safely on Mars.
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Putting up a moon base for a Mars trip would not only be a distraction, it would be counter-productive. Both bodies have different orbits and landing requirements. Plus if you land on the moon, refuel and launch up again it would be twice as costly as just going to Mars from earth orbit. You have to treat them as separate.
 
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