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As Paul Manafort Goes to jail, Rudy Giuliani Suggests Trump Could Issue Pardons

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Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani suggested that once Special Counsel Robert Mueller wraps up his investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election, President Trump could issue pardons to some of the people swept up in the case.

"When the whole thing is over, things might get cleaned up with some presidential pardons," he told the New York Daily News -- on the day former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was being sent to jail for violating the terms of his bail for witness tampering.
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(CCBS NEWS) As Paul Manafort Goes to Jail, Rudy Giuliani Suggests Trump Could Issue Pardons

Obviously, the second paragraph has the money quote.

In the interest of respecting the bipartisan nature of a BN MSN OP, I'll withhold my personal opinion to posting in the thread.
 
This is exactly why anyone charged with a federal crime must also be charged with any and all applicable and relevant state crimes that cover the events and actions to make sure justice will be served. Trump must be made to understand that he cannot fix this by obstructing justice even if his own party would look the other way and do nothing about it.
 
haymarket said:
This is exactly why anyone charged with a federal crime must also be charged with any and all applicable and relevant state crimes that cover the events and actions to make sure justice will be served. Trump must be made to understand that he cannot fix this by obstructing justice even if his own party would look the other way and do nothing about it.
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Who's going to make him understand that? He can barely understand what day it is.
 
Chomsky said:
(CCBS NEWS) As Paul Manafort Goes to Jail, Rudy Giuliani Suggests Trump Could Issue Pardons
Obviously, the second paragraph has the money quote.
In the interest of respecting the bipartisan nature of a BN MSN OP, I'll withhold my personal opinion to posting in the thread.
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Well, just in your opening post. We want to hear from you in the thread after it :)

If he pardons Manafort, I will be sadly having to make calls, send money, go to protests, etc. I hope he doesn't, it makes me sick to think he would cross that line, and sick to think of all the time I'm gonna lose if he does. I hope a lot of people have their own idea of what line is a line too far for Trump to cross. So far, I've been comforted by knowing that despite his shenanigans, the investigation continues. If he derails that, it's a problem. I have no interest in protesting a president out of office if he is riding the line but not stepping over it. So he governs like a corrupt moron...that's a political issue and I will let it play out. But if he obstructs the investigation in such an overt, significant way, something's gotta give.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Way to openly advocate for OOJ, Rudy.
Wow. What a tool.
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Naked partisan dangling, how is it not? That has to be checked. And if it comes to pass, it really has to be checked even though damage will have already been done. What a crisis.
 
Mach said:
Naked partisan dangling, how is it not? That has to be checked. And if it comes to pass, it really has to be checked even though damage will have already been done. What a crisis.
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This is, the MAGA cult that used to be the law-and-order GOP simply doesn't care.
 
poweRob said:
Him saying that can be considered OOJ.
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Indeed. Using my special translation device, going from Rudytard to simple English, I get, "Please oh please oh please don't flip and we'll pardon you if you don't oh **** I may well be implicated in the the criminal liability that's raining down on everyone else hey I wonder if I can marry another one of my cousins?"
 
Chomsky said:
(CCBS NEWS) As Paul Manafort Goes to Jail, Rudy Giuliani Suggests Trump Could Issue Pardons

Obviously, the second paragraph has the money quote.

In the interest of respecting the bipartisan nature of a BN MSN OP, I'll withhold my personal opinion to posting in the thread.
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From my point of view, Trump pardons to any convicted individuals in the Mueller investigation constitutes "obstruction of justice by other means".

Just as shameful is the 115th GOP Congress, which has shirked its Constitutional checks/balances responsibilities and enabled the excesses of Donald Trump.
 
What a boat load of dumb. Trump's tweet earlier today is another boat load of dumb:

Trump tweet said:
Wow, what a tough sentence for Paul Manafort, who has represented Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole and many other top political people and campaigns. Didn’t know Manafort was the head of the Mob. What about Comey and Crooked Hillary and all of the others? Very unfair!
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Who Manafort represented has no bearing on his conviction, and the reference to other people is just the usual whataboutism stupidity. If investigations into others have merit then they should be pursued, but to try and bring in others is pretty sad.
 
ElChupacabra said:
What a boat load of dumb. Trump's tweet earlier today is another boat load of dumb:



Who Manafort represented has no bearing on his conviction, and the reference to other people is just the usual whataboutism stupidity. If investigations into others have merit then they should be pursued, but to try and bring in others is pretty sad.
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I don't know what's funner - watching Trump melt down, or watching his supporters wet their pants.
 
I mean naked pardon dangling, not partisan dangling :)

https://www.vox.com/2018/3/29/17174042/trump-pardons-manafort-flynn-mueller-probe
“Whoever corruptly endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the administration of justice” may be guilty of obstructing justice under US law. If the approach “corruptly persuades” a person not to testify, it may be witness tampering. And if the persuasion “promises anything of value” to a witness who absents himself from a proceeding, it may constitute bribery.
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Yes please.
 
Of those convicted/charged of/with a federal offense, the Office of the President, no matter who it is at the time, can pardon whomever they want. Nor is it OOJ.
 
tres borrachos said:
I don't know what's funner - watching Trump melt down, or watching his supporters wet their pants.
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Watching Trump display his delusional mental state is always fun. Then its fun to watch the Trumpkins pucker up to him.
 
Excon said:
Of those convicted/charged of/with a federal offense, the Office of the President, no matter who it is at the time, can pardon whomever they want. Nor is it OOJ.
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The Governor of Illinois had the complete and total power to replace the Senate vacancy created by Obama going to the White House. He now sits in a prison cell doing years of hard time for corruptly exercising his constitutional powers.

One cannot use a power they have for corrupt or criminal purpose.
 
Excon said:
Of those convicted/charged of/with a federal offense, the Office of the President, no matter who it is at the time, can pardon whomever they want. Nor is it OOJ.
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Where is your evidence that it's not OOJ? I cited a law professor claiming it is. There are 10 others in the link.
Are you using magic?
 
haymarket said:
The Governor of Illinois had the complete and total power to replace the Senate vacancy created by Obama going to the White House. He now sits in a prison cell doing years of hard time for corruptly exercising his constitutional powers.

One cannot use a power they have for corrupt or criminal purpose.
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iLOL
Not comparable situations.
 
There is still ongoing investigation of Manafort possibly breaking NY state law. One is civil, subject to fine. NY may still be working on changing their "double jeopardy" law to except federal pardons so as to prosecute federal crime committed in NY state. I don't know the details on that because I was blocked from the Bloomberg site. Anyway, double jeopardy protection does not apply when a crime breaks both state and federal law. Both or either one can prosecute. NY, though, does have some kind of law where dbl jeopardy does apply so the state is looking at excepting federal pardons from that protection.
 
Mach said:
Where is your evidence that it's not OOJ?
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The power is Constitutional and there is no limitation in it.
No legislation supersedes the Constitution.


Mach said:
I cited a law professor claiming it is.
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And? Pointing to an authority is a logical fallacy. But if, that is what you want to do we can post dueling lawyers as my inclination would be to cite the most preeminent Constitutional legal scholar there is, Alan Dershowitz, which clearly would trump your ten irrelevant law professors.
Or in it's stead, you can make your own damn argument and fail because as already stated, legislation does not supersede the Constitution.
 
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Excon said:
The power is Constitutional and there is no limitation in it.
No legislation supersedes the Constitution.
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That's just plain stupid. That he can pardon is not the question, so why did you think it was to be answered?

While president, he can pardon anyone he wants.
That pardon can also be a crime, he could then be impeached for OOJ. Your posts evidence a distinct lack of awareness of reality.
 
Mach said:
That's just plain stupid. That he can pardon is not the question, so why did you think it was to be answered?

While president, he can pardon anyone he wants.
That pardon can also be a crime, he could then be impeached for OOJ. Your posts evidence a distinct lack of awareness of reality.
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NO it could not be.
It is a Constitutional Power uninhibited by legislation. Or do you not understand that OOJ is legislation?
 
So, Manafort is likely to be presented with a choice:

Sing like a canary and get his boss in trouble, or
Trust Trump to pardon him.

The question is: Does he trust Trump? Would you?
 
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