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Federal judge jails ex-Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort ahead of trial, citing recently filed obst

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Well, the AG just quoted the Bible to justify separating families from their kids at the border. So it seems the Bible can be used to support quite a bit - including Trump & his cabal.

I am not that familiar with the Good Book; I have heard that the same passage quote by Sessions was used to justify slavery early in our history.


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Trump actually said the IG report totally exonerates him from collusion and obstruction. The IG report that has pretty much nothing to do with the investigations into him. It was an investigation into possible bias in the FBI.


Trump is a freak nutjob and acting far more guilty than innocent.

Me: "Where's my ice cream? Oh I found it."
Trump: "This totally exonerates me from collusion and obstruction!"​

He is becoming increasingly desperate by the hour.


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Well yes, but returning to the rest of the world from either the E+E forum or the religion bashing section is a shock so.....

Still, I'm shocked that even you Americans could possibly elect such a man. Even when the alternative was such an arrogant career politicain.


Vichy America.

Collaborators in their collusion. At least France is holding the line this time. Italy not. Presently it ranges from Poland to the USA. We look to the Europeans, Canadians, Japan among a few others to be steadfast until the present course is reversed. Excise The Big Lie.

Lincoln was a ***** when it came to the Confederacy and the Reconstruction. Should have had Sherman, Meade, Hancock repopulate the South. Make a fresh start of it again down there. They've been the root of so much evil since.
 
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Not just any bible passage, but the Bible passage used to defend Slavery
Really?

Who the fudge do we have in office? I'm blown away by this. Not just the slavery angle, but the statement & actions here.
 
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Vichy America.

Collaborators in their collusion. At least France is holding the line this time. Italy not. Presently it ranges from Poland to the USA. We look to the Europeans, Canadians, Japan among a few others to be steadfast until the present course is reversed. Excise The Big Lie.
Great term!

And here's an excerpt from the wiki entrey you may find interesting:

At that point, the Third Republic was dissolved. Calling for "National Regeneration", the French government at Vichy reversed many liberal policies and began tight supervision of the economy, with central planning a key feature. Labour unions came under tight government control. The independence of women was reversed, with an emphasis put on motherhood. Conservative Catholics became prominent. Paris lost its avant-garde status in European art and culture. The media were tightly controlled and stressed virulent anti-Semitism, and, after June 1941, anti-Bolshevism.[3]

Source: (Wikipedia) Vichy France
 
I'm betting that- by the time Manafart spends a couple of nights in jail, he'll start squealing like a pig!

LOL! Blahahaha!
 
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Great term!

And here's an excerpt from the wiki entrey you may find interesting:



Source: (Wikipedia) Vichy France



Yes, Vichy America indeed.


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The Union generals destroying it completely would have allowed a fresh start down there where evil took up its residence long ago and from the beginning. Repopulate the place far and wide.


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It's a safe bet the Trumpolini beast would have been inconceivable in its entirety. There'd be no Jefferson Beauregard Sessions either. Back then the South would have been just another big time loser in just another ugly war.
 
Anybody know what jail Manafort was sent to? It could be a minimum security resort. But, he is obviously a flight risk, IMO.
 
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He probably does but I think it's kind of strange that the court expects him to guess.

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LOL The court expected him to not try to influence anyone to lie to the court. It's illegal. That is why he is in jail.
 
Anybody know what jail Manafort was sent to? It could be a minimum security resort. But, he is obviously a flight risk, IMO.

MSNBC was saying that it’s a really bad one, with roaches and metal beds! Lol! Not sure how true that is but I couldn’t help but laugh!


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People who still say there was no collusion are working incredibly hard to ignore the growing amounts of extremely strong circumstantial evidence to the contrary.

Keep in mind, these are generally the same people who ignore scientific evidence of climate change and evolution, so they have plenty of practice in ignoring reality.
 
NBC said it's the District of Columbia jail.

Makes hell look like paradise.

They don't drop their soap cause they don't get any. Once a month we hear tell. A close shave means you got your back to the wall just in time. They call the place the train station.
 
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No, he didn't pull it off. Would you like a shot?
You just made my point. Three times in a row and you still appear incapable engaging in a sincere debate.
 
Manafort was led out of the courtroom by security officers. He turned and gave a last look and wave to his wife, seated in the well of the court. She nodded back to him.
That looks to me like a "we discussed it and we know we have to hold out for a pardon", nod.
 
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No, he didn't pull it off. Would you like a shot?


Which reminds us Michael Cohen said he'd take a bullet for Donald Trump. If anyone here might feel in a way that is the same or similar he might let us know. I for one would like to be kept advised thx. Jus sayin of course.
 
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He probably does but I think it's kind of strange that the court expects him to guess.
Manafort needed an explicit list of folks he wasn't allowed to ask to lie to the FBI?

Manafort was under the impression that there was some group of people he was allowed to ask to lie to the FBI?

wtf?
 
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Manafort needed an explicit list of folks he wasn't allowed to ask to lie to the FBI?

Manafort was under the impression that there was some group of people he was allowed to ask to lie to the FBI?

wtf?

Some of the people he supposedly contacted were journalists. So, that makes one wonder who contacted who, first. Since journalists are involved, there's no telling what really happened.
 
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Some of the people he supposedly contacted were journalists. So, that makes one wonder who contacted who, first. Since journalists are involved, there's no telling what really happened.
Contacting the journalists was what got Manafort in trouble for witness tampering?
Were journalists banned from discussing things?
Did whatever journalists hold a gun to Manafort's head and make Manafort engage in bad behavior?

You take a tone like you actually believe journalists actions could somehow exonerate Manafort's efforts to tamper with witnesses.
But, it's impossible for the actions of journalists to exonerate Manafort of his efforts to tamper with witnesses.
 
MSNBC was saying that it’s a really bad one, with roaches and metal beds! Lol! Not sure how true that is but I couldn’t help but laugh!

Why do you think this is funny?
 
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I'm not shedding any tears for him. I read his defenses response and I find it interesting. They are claiming they have not been provided a witness list yet. They are arguing that without the list he can't know who the witnesses are.

I have not found the judges response yet but I am curious on what grounds she rejected his argument.

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https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6183591/328/united-states-v-manafort/

And the defense did little to inspire the Court’s confidence when it insisted at the hearing

that the defendant complied with the Court’s requirements – when they were “abundantly clear,”

or when they were “clear and unambiguous.” In the Court’s view, the broad prohibition contained

in the order entered by the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia on

Marcy 9, 2018 is clear and unambiguous:

Defendant must avoid all contact, directly or indirectly, with any person
who is a victim or witness in the investigation or prosecution of the
defendant.
United States v. Paul J. Manafort, Jr., 18-cr-00083 (TSE) [Dkt. # 25] ¶ (viii). The Court is very

troubled by the evidence that the contacts allegedly made on the defendant’s behalf by Kilimnik

continued after the order was entered, and that multiple messages specifically attribute the

re-initiation of the attempts to contact D1 to the defendant. (“My friend P asked me again to help

connect him with [Person D1].”) This Court does not have the jurisdiction to sanction a violation

of another Court’s order, but it may certainly consider the defendant’s adherence to that Court’s

admonitions in determining whether it can place its trust in the defendant.


The defendant proposed only one condition that could protect the community, and that was

the issuance of an order that would absolutely be clear enough for him to follow. He emphasized

that he could not possibly know which witnesses to avoid without a list provided by the United

States, and his insistence on this level of specificity, on top of a standard order not to contact

witnesses, or a standard order not to commit another criminal offense, simply highlights why the

Court finds it necessary to conclude under section 3148(b)(2)(A) that there is no condition or

combination of conditions that will suffice in this case. As the Court observed at the conclusion

of the hearing, there is a real risk that the defendant will interpret any list naming certain

individuals as license to contact any other individuals involved in the investigation. The Court

cannot draft an order that is specific enough to cover every possible future violation of the United

States Code, and it should not have to.


Given the nature of the allegations in the superseding indictment and the evidence supplied

in support of the government’s motion, including the number of contacts and attempted contacts,

the persistence of the efforts to make contact, the inferences that can be drawn from what was said,

and the clear impact the statements had on the recipient, who reported them to the prosecution as

an attempt to suborn perjury, FBI Aff. ¶ 19, the Court finds that the presumption has not been

overcome, and that there are no conditions that would assure that the defendant will comply with

the most fundamental condition of release under the Bail Reform Act: that he not commit a

Federal, State, or local crime during the period of release. See 18 U.S.C. §3142(b).


Moreover, the Court finds that even if the defendant had offered up some additional

practical conditions that could to be layered on top of the terms under which he is already

operating, it could not find, as the statute requires that it must, that defendant Manafort would

abide by those conditions. See 18 U.S.C. §3148(b). The defendant has already experienced some

difficulty adhering to this Court’s directives and another Court’s directives, and his apparent belief

that any such directives should be construed as narrowly as possible leaves the Court with the

unshakeable impression that he cannot be trusted to comply in the future.


For all of these reasons, and for all of the reasons stated on the record at the hearing, the

government’s motion to revoke the defendant’s bond has been granted, and his motion to reduce

the conditions of release is denied as moot.
 
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Truly deplorable:
“Just to put this in historical perspective, what broke the Watergate case was when James McCord got a 25-year sentence,” Akerman said when asked about the hearing while appearing on MSNBC’s “Velshi & Ruhle." “He was one of the Watergate burglars. He got a 25-year sentence. He was sitting in jail because that’s what made him crack and cooperate.” http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...secutor-says-manafort-may-never-again-see-the
Evidently Akerman thinks incarcerating Manafort is a good thing because this may induce him to “crack and cooperate”. I suppose it may, but throwing people in jail to induce their cooperation is not a good thing to do.
I think that the special counsel's allegations of witness tampering are rather ... thin. The FBI agent's declaration in support of the allegations is long on detail about what Manafort and the "Hapsburg Group" did before the elections and short on information about the tampering allegation itself. Drill down into the exhibits and you will see that only one, Exhibit N, is evidence of communications between Manafort and the witnesses he is alleged to have contacted in a tampering effort.

Study that exhibit and you will see that Manafort was successful in speaking to one witness (Person D1) for exactly 1 minute and 24 seconds. He attempted three other phone calls that did not connect and he sent two WhatsApp messages—one a link to an article describing his indictment and the other saying "we should talk." When asked about the contents of the conversation with Manafort, according to paragraph 14 of the FBI declaration, Person D1 said that "Manafort stated that he wanted to give Person D1 a heads-up about Hapsburg" and "D1 immediately ended the call because he was concerned about the outreach." https://www.lawfareblog.com/manafort-tampering-allegations
It is procedurally correct to incarcerate Manafort for witness tampering, but to indicate he will spend 25 years there unless he "cracks and cooperates" is not something anyone should be happy about.
 
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Contacting the journalists was what got Manafort in trouble for witness tampering?
Were journalists banned from discussing things?
Did whatever journalists hold a gun to Manafort's head and make Manafort engage in bad behavior?

You take a tone like you actually believe journalists actions could somehow exonerate Manafort's efforts to tamper with witnesses.
But, it's impossible for the actions of journalists to exonerate Manafort of his efforts to tamper with witnesses.

I'm saying there's no telling what really happen.
 
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I'm saying there's no telling what really happen.
So, you're just going to believe stuff that there's no evidence for, yes?
Even if there's no possible way that a journalist's actions could exonerate Manafort?

suit yourself
 
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