New video shows President Trump saluting North Korean general

I see nothing wrong with this at all. Nothing!


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tres borrachos said:

Link this, please. I remember a lot of discussion about the "fire and fury" comments, but I don't recall the "Leftards" referring to North Korea as "poor innocent North Korea".

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Yea, he's really posted some delusional crap but I have to wonder if he made it up himself or is simply parroting something. Anyhoo

sanman said:

When Trump was promising "Fire and Fury" against "Little Rocket Man", the Leftards on here were outraged at the threat to poor innocent North Korea.
When I pointed out to them that poor innocent Kim led a socialist dictatorship that oppresses its population, Leftards here responded that the evil US-led embargo was the real reason for the North Korean people's suffering.
When the North Korean regime reacted to Trump by calling him a "dotard", the Leftards on here happily adopted Pyongyang's insult as their preferred slur against the president.
Now that Trump is shaking hands with Kim, suddenly the Leftards have realized that Kim's a dictator again.
George Orwell was very right to satirize the Left - he must be laughing in his grave right now.

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Hey san, don't forget Tres asked you to back up your claims. Here's a thread with almost 70 pages of posts concerning trump's comments to help you back up your claim. Just skimming through quickly I don't see anything remotely close to what you claimed. Also the words "embargo" and "suffering" didn't show up in a search. Hope to hear back from you soon

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...-fury-if-threats-continue.html?highlight=fury

I think this ends Trump's argument about NFL player protests. After all, if you salute an enemy general of a violent dictatorship, you have no right to question the patriotism of others. You have already shown where your own patriotism lies.

Atomic Kid said:

He didn't do either of those things right. He suspended the exercise without any prior consultation with our ally South Korea, his military commanders in the theater or even the Pentagon and he got basically nothing in return for doing it and the proper protocol to follow is pretty clear. And this a guy that supposedly attended a military academy. But you know he said he really didn't need to prepare all the much and that's the kind of thing that happens when you don't give a **** about preparation.

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Well, let's get on the same page here....Trump is a moron. But this doesn't have any bearing here. How he did these things is not my concern. That he did them is.

- We don't really know what transpired between Pentagon, SECDEF, and President during the weeks leading up to the summit. But considering that the military exercises was a topic of discussion among the North and among the American population in mid-May, it's a good bet to assume that similar discussions occurred in Washington.

- And even without prior consultation, suspending the exercises was absolutely necessary and long over do. The point of the exercises was always simply to show force and to antagonize. Our military exercises involved actually flying nukes towards the DMZ, decades before the North even had nukes. We actually discussed dropping nukes on the North on at least three separate times (1950-51, 1968, 1976). In 1976, General Stilwell actually ordered a B-52 to lift off from Guam and called it back as it was heading north along Korea's coast. All of this, by the way, was always in violation of the nonproliferation letter. It is a basic principle of the nonproliferation regime that countries without nuclear weapons not to be threatened by those that possess them. Considering that we first introduced nukes to the peninsula in 1958 (Eisenhower - NSC 5702/2), and that we have been actively reminding them of this through military exercises and Pentagon published first-strike plans, we had threatening the North for fifty-six years. But in 2006, when the North tested its first nuke, we behave as if we are shocked that they dared seek the means by which to protect themselves from us?

- Trump didn't have to get anything in return. This notion that diplomacy is a failure unless "something for something" occurred is false. The exercises weren't hurting North Korea or doing anything for us. We didn't need them. The moment the North developed their nukes, it made the conventional exercises obsolete. And Kim really has nothing to offer. So what was this "something" that was supposed to matter? But, as I just instructed, the military exercises do hold an historically threatening meaning to the North. Suspending the exercises was long overdo and goes a long way in trying to establish a healthy relationship. In fact, our nuclear threats in early 1993 created the most dangerous crisis since the Korean War ended. Perhaps if we had stopped our foolish nuclear saber rattling in the 1980s, the North wouldn't even have nukes today. But we cannot act as if they need to give them up now. We gave them every reason to develop them.

Atomic Kid said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-korea/new-video-shows-president-trump-saluting-north-korean-general-n883076





Can you imagine what the Repubs would be saying if Obama had done this? The hypocrisy is never ending.

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As a Commander in Chief, isn't reciprocating a salute -especially by a high ranking official - simply part of protocol?

What's positively surprising is that the NKorean General would salute to Trump! The general saluting Trump conveys respect for the American Commander in Chief......and Trump acknowledged that respect.

tosca1 said:

As a Commander in Chief, isn't reciprocating a salute -especially by a high ranking official - simply part of protocol?

What's positively surprising is that the NKorean General would salute to Trump! The general saluting Trump conveys respect for the American Commander in Chief......and Trump acknowledged that respect.

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Of course. Like when FDR and Churchill did the "Heil Hitler" salute, right?

tres borrachos said:

Of course. Like when FDR and Churchill did the "Heil Hitler" salute, right?

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I don't know anything about any "Heil Hitler" salute. Irrelevant.


The fact remains that the North Korean general saluting the US Commander in Chief, is a gesture of respect for the USA President - which is a BIG DEAL - considering the history of animosity that went between the USA and NKorea.

It is only right and diplomatic that Trump had acknowledged that show of respect from a NORTH KOREAN, by a reciprocal salute.


If Trump had failed to salute back......boy, he'll be lynched by the anti-Trumpers. Just look what happened to Obama.
What more when you do that to a North Korean right on that historical day?

Obama Forgets to Salute Marine

Upon realizing the faux pas, the president jogged back down to shake hands with the Marine and spoke privately with him before entering the helicopter again.

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Obama Forgets to Salute Marine | Military.com

tosca1 said:

I don't know anything about any "Heil Hitler" salute.

The fact remains that the North Korean general saluting the US Commander in Chief, is a gesture of respect fpr the USA President - which is a BIG DEAL - considering the history of animosity that went between the USA and NKorea. It is only right and diplomatic that Trump had acknowledged that show of respect, by a reciprocal salute.

If Trump had failed to salute back......boy, he'll be lynched by the anti-Trumpers. Just look what happened to Obama. What more when you do that to a North Korean right on that historical day?



Obama Forgets to Salute Marine | Military.com

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Not a student of history, huh? I assumed most people knew about Hitler.

No, I don't think anti-Trumpers would skewer Trump for not saluting a general who has killed or ordered the deaths of his countrymen.

tres borrachos said:

No, I don't think anti-Trumpers would skewer Trump for not saluting a general who has killed or ordered the deaths of his countrymen.

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:roll:

How irrational. And, immature!

If that's the kind of mentality prevailing - then why would the world love to see a diplomatic treaty with North Korea?
Btw, that includes Canada (Trudeau), who publicly said he supports Trump's effort with NK.

tosca1 said:

:roll:

How irrational. And, immature! If that's the mentality - then why would the world - which include Canada - love to see a diplomatic treaty with North Korea?

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Um, it's irrational and immature to think most people don't approve of the behavior of the North Koreans and their generals, and don't think the US President should salute them? Okay. If you say so.

I'll look for some discussion that makes sense, since I'm posting with someone who doesn't know even who Hitler was. Best wishes.

tres borrachos said:

Um, it's irrational and immature to think most people don't approve of the behavior of the North Koreans and their generals, and don't think the US President should salute them? Okay. If you say so.

I'll look for some discussion that makes sense, since I'm posting with someone who doesn't know even who Hitler was. Best wishes.

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:lol:

Bye-bye.

Hawkeye10 said:

Obama constantly failed with North Korea as he failed in most things because he is lazy and because his judgment is crap, so we never found out.

Trump is fine here.

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They [Republicans] called Obama an inexperienced, self-serving celebrity. Then their party chose Trump.

“Our allies don’t trust us; our enemies don’t fear us; and the world doesn’t know where America stands,” went a 2015 presidential campaign ad for Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.). And one Republican foreign policy analyst even wrote that negotiations — with Iran, not North Korea — have “become humiliating, not least because our diplomatic body language is telegraphing an eagerness for a deal — any deal — with such clumsy obviousness that only the dumbest opponent could fail to notice it.”
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Trump, by contrast [to Obama], has approached North Korea exactly as Republicans once feared Obama would: without a strategy, driven by TV coverage, interested only in the short-term ego boost of a photo op that does more harm than good. Who gets the better end of the deal, after all, when a two-bit dictator poses side by side with the putative leader of the free world? Obama’s critics screeched about pallets of cash being delivered to Iran — I didn’t like it, either — but that seems a masterstroke of diplomacy compared with Trump declaring the inhabitants of North Korea’s gulags “the great winners” of the summit and halting U.S. “war games” with South Korea because, as he bafflingly explained Tuesday, it will save us “a tremendous amount of money” and because they’re “provocative,” besides.

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sanman said:

When Trump was promising "Fire and Fury" against "Little Rocket Man", the Leftards on here were outraged at the threat to poor innocent North Korea.
When I pointed out to them that poor innocent Kim led a socialist dictatorship that oppresses its population, Leftards here responded that the evil US-led embargo was the real reason for the North Korean people's suffering.
When the North Korean regime reacted to Trump by calling him a "dotard", the Leftards on here happily adopted Pyongyang's insult as their preferred slur against the president.
Now that Trump is shaking hands with Kim, suddenly the Leftards have realized that Kim's a dictator again.
George Orwell was very right to satirize the Left - he must be laughing in his grave right now..

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hey San, hows that back up coming. You made some ridiculous claims and were asked to back them up. Why just admit you posted your crap because you really really really wanted it to be true? thanks in advance.