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Comey Cited as Insubordinate, but Report Finds No Bias in F.B.I. Decision to Clear Clinton

chuckiechan said:
They won’t eat one of their own. I have confidence that insiders will be treated to a different standard of justice than you or I.

An FBI official saying he going to stop a candidate from being president is only a problem for you when it is directed at your candidate in 2020. I’m sure you will feel differently when your candidate is framed by “Team Trump”.

There are few things worse than a “dirty cop”.
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Considering that he had many above him in the investigation, what could he do to interfere
 
trixare4kids said:
The most important part of the IG report is that there is clear and convincing evidence, (the Strzok "We will stop Trump from becoming president" email) that pretty much points to conspiracy; the phony Russia collusion investigation that Strzok headed.

As far as Comey goes, Trump was right to fire him. There never was any obstruction of justice.
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Evidence of a conspiracy in one sentence? Wow you funny. Don't try to work in law enforcement, clearly you'd fail at it.
 
JANFU said:
Valid points but I stand by what I posted.
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Okay....I don't understand why you've informed me of that.

Nothing I wrote refuted your central claim that Comey was damned no matter what he did. My point was on how he came to be so, that he was damned on account of his own words and deeds. That's it. How he came to be damned doesn't affect the fact that he was in a "Catch 22" position.
 
Chomsky said:
It's a sad day when I would rather even have Pence, than the current President. But these are both terrible losing choices.
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Yeah but Pence is just bad, backwards policies. He won't get us killed. Anything he does can be reversed.

Trump is a loose cannon with a God complex. I never did trust him with the nuke codes, and trust him even less, now that he has shown just how unhinged he truly is.
 
Chomsky said:
I missed that.

You make a valid point that Manafort did his best to bring Pence on, so it's enough to cause suspicion of Pence. But my international fears of Trump extend far beyond only Russian collusion.
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Word is Mueller is taking a close look at the roles Saudi Arabia, UAE and Israel played in the election and the Trump campaign as well.
 
Ikari said:
The report stated that there was no political bias in clearing Clinton. That what was done incorrectly was for Comey to have announced the investigation into Clinton publicly.
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This is what the report says,

...these text messages also caused us to assess Strzok’s decision in October 2016 to prioritize the Russia investigation over following up on the Midyear-related investigative lead discovered on the Weiner laptop. We concluded that we did not have confidence that this decision by Strzok was free from bias.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/ig-report-bad-for-fbi/
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Exactice said:
This is Purely interpretation,

But I tried to read the initial, said screw it went straight to the Conclusion.

"First, we found that several FBI employees who played critical roles in the
investigation sent political messages—some of which related directly to the Midyear
investigation—that created the appearance of bias and thereby raised questions
about the objectivity and thoroughness of the Midyear investigation. "


Per the conclusion, There was Perceived Bias.

Secondly,
"then Director Comey chose to deviate from the
FBI’s and the Department’s established procedures and norms and instead engaged
in his own subjective, ad hoc decisionmaking. "

We knew this.....why as the Head of the FBI, deviate?


Third

" there was a troubling lack of any direct,
substantive communication between Comey and then Attorney General Lynch in
advance of both Comey’s July 5 press conference"

The Investigators, did NOT discuss with the Prosecutors? How does this WORK?


These are the conclusions points? Insubordination, didnt Yates get fired? So lets get over the firing.

Is this the last time a politically charged investigation and potential Bias? Nope but IG put recommendations and stated that existing policies should be followed.


THAT being said, It does NOT discuss, the effects and the re-investigation or reopening of the existing/closed cases/matters that had Potential EFFECTS of the above findings.

That is the more concerning, part. So I dont know how your title comes to say NO bias, when the IG reports that it shows seemingly bias??
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“Our review did not find documentary or testimonial evidence directly connecting the political views these employees expressed in their text messages and instant messages to the specific investigative decisions we reviewed”
 
Renae said:
I think we're gonna agree to disagree on what this report says.
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Okay, can you agree that it says nothing about a deep state conspiracy involving employees from the FBI, DOJ, DNC and Hillary campaign?
 
jmotivator said:
Hah! Why so defensive? When you find evidence of Trump colluding with Russia you let me know. :roll:
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We certainly know his campaign took meetings with Russian FSB agents trying to cooperate with them to get dirt on Hillary. That's not even disputable anymore. Had Hillary done that, you guys would be calling for her to be executed for treason under U.S. Code 18, 115.

I mean hell, yall were basically accusing Obama of treason for politely bowing to the Japanese Emperor.
 
Xelor said:
Okay....I don't understand why you've informed me of that.

Nothing I wrote refuted your central claim that Comey was damned no matter what he did. My point was on how he came to be so, that he was damned on account of his own words and deeds. That's it. How he came to be damned doesn't affect the fact that he was in a "Catch 22" position.
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I read it and my interpretation is different. Your points list where Comey should have done, this or that, had other options and I believe he had few to none.
 
chuckiechan said:
They won’t eat one of their own. I have confidence that insiders will be treated to a different standard of justice than you or I.

An FBI official saying he going to stop a candidate from being president is only a problem for you when it is directed at your candidate in 2020. I’m sure you will feel differently when your candidate is framed by “Team Trump”.

There are few things worse than a “dirty cop”.
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How does that make a him a 'dirty cop'? Probably just making a vow to himself that he's going to put this criminal behind bars where he belongs. Typical cop talk.
 
Cardinal said:
“Our review did not find documentary or testimonial evidence directly connecting the political views these employees expressed in their text messages and instant messages to the specific investigative decisions we reviewed”

In other words, FBI agents had opinions. Oh noes.
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They don't seem to get that FBI agents, just like anyone else in law enforcement, often have negative opinions of the scumbags they investigate.
 
Fletch said:
Hardly. Jmotivator was responding to the comment that "it will be VERY interesting to find which FBI officials where leaking to the Trump camp." Your response doesnt address that.
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Wasn't it you was sure head's were gonna roll when you were awiting this cherished nothingburger? How's it taste?
 
trixare4kids said:
The most important part of the IG report is that there is clear and convincing evidence, (the Strzok "We will stop Trump from becoming president" email) that pretty much points to conspiracy; the phony Russia collusion investigation that Strzok headed.

As far as Comey goes, Trump was right to fire him. There never was any obstruction of justice.
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1) how do you know what the intent of Strzok was in the text?
2) How do you know that the russia collusion investigation is phony?
 
Renae said:
I think we're gonna agree to disagree on what this report says.
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I could've saved you some time and told you this before it was even released.
 
Slyfox696 said:
If you're not going to be honest about what I actually said, why are you wasting our time? You can lie without being untruthful about what I've said.
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Speaking of being honest about what people say, maybe don't try pawning off fear of a potential leak as proof that the FBI was leaking to the Trump Campaign.

Your quote doesn't prove anything other than that Page and Baker had fears ... and that three other people said they had no recollection of any such fears playing into the decision to release to Congress.

That chart is concerning leaks to the press regarding the Hillary investigation, and the leaks were to three reporters, not the Trump campaign. I posted that chart. MovingPictures then jumped in to claim that there were leaks to the Trump Campaign, and I asked him to show that since the IG doesn't appear to have found any. The later IG report will have to flesh out the nature of all of those leaks, and whether they were pro or anti-Hillary in nature.

The fact is MovingPictures post clearly suggested there were FBI leaks to Trump's benefit (and, as noted, Rudy Guiliani has/had basically acknowledged he was a recipient). You asked for evidence of that and I provided it.
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LOL. "Implications" Suggestions" .. no evidence. Your Implications don't make MovingPictures suggestions and implications any more fact. I'll ask you to: Since Comey told Maddow that he had launched an investigation into Giuliani about a potential leak, can you show me what happened to that investigation? What did it find?

You can either be honest about that or you can continue posting lies about what I've said. Your choice.
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You're projecting. I posted a graph from the IG report showing the extent of leaks found in investigating the Hillary Clinton investigation. MovingPictures claimed that there were leaks to the Trump campaign. I am asking for the evidence of the claims made by MovingPictures. you are posting "fears" of Lisa Page and stating implications as a substitute for facts.
 
Cardinal said:
“Our review did not find documentary or testimonial evidence directly connecting the political views these employees expressed in their text messages and instant messages to the specific investigative decisions we reviewed”
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This reminds me of when Comey went point by point why Clinton should be indicted and then said never mind we recommend no prosecution. The report show lots of political bias. Everyone know exactly what happened!
 
apdst said:
This is what the report says,
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The report also says this:

We analyzed the Department’s declination decision according to the same analytical standard that we applied to other decisions made during the investigation. We did not substitute the OIG’s judgment for the judgments made by the Department, but rather sought to determine whether the decision was based on improper considerations, including political bias. We found no evidence that the conclusions by the prosecutors were affected by bias or other improper considerations; rather, we determined that they were based on the prosecutors’ assessment of the facts, the law, and past Department practice.
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And this:

As we describe Chapter Five of our report, we found that Strzok was not the sole decisionmaker for any of the specific Midyear investigative decisions we examined in that chapter. We further found evidence that in some instances Strzok and Page advocated for more aggressive investigative measures in the Midyear investigation, such as the use of grand jury subpoenas and search warrants to obtain evidence. There were clearly tensions and disagreements in a number of important areas between Midyear agents and prosecutors. However, we did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that improper considerations, including political bias, directly affected the specific investigative decisions we reviewed in Chapter Five, or that the justifications offered for th
ese decisions were pretextual.

Nonetheless, these messages cast a cloud over the FBI’s handling of the Midyear investigation and the investigation’s credibility. But our review did not find evidence to connect the political views expressed in these messages to the specific investigative decisions
that we reviewed; rather, consistent with the analytic approach described above, we found that these specific decisions were the result of discretionary judgments made during the course of an investigation by the Midyear agents and prosecutors and that these
judgment calls were not unreasonable. The broader impact of these text and instant messages, including on such matters as the public perception of the FBI and the Midyear investigation, are discussed in Chapter Twelve of our report.
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poweRob said:
1) how do you know what the intent of Strzok was in the text?
2) How do you know that the russia collusion investigation is phony?
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So suppose you tell us what Strzok, who was the lead agent in the Russian investigation, meant when he replied to his lover's question...
 
jmotivator said:
Speaking of being honest about what people say, maybe don't try pawning off fear of a potential leak as proof that the FBI was leaking to the Trump Campaign.

Your quote doesn't prove anything other than that Page and Baker had fears ... and that three other people said they had no recollection of any such fears playing into the decision to release to Congress.

That chart is concerning leaks to the press regarding the Hillary investigation, and the leaks were to three reporters, not the Trump campaign. I posted that chart. MovingPictures then jumped in to claim that there were leaks to the Trump Campaign, and I asked him to show that since the IG doesn't appear to have found any. The later IG report will have to flesh out the nature of all of those leaks, and whether they were pro or anti-Hillary in nature.



LOL. "Implications" Suggestions" .. no evidence. Your Implications don't make MovingPictures suggestions and implications any more fact. I'll ask you to: Since Comey told Maddow that he had launched an investigation into Giuliani about a potential leak, can you show me what happened to that investigation? What did it find?



You're projecting. I posted a graph from the IG report showing the extent of leaks found in investigating the Hillary Clinton investigation. MovingPictures claimed that there were leaks to the Trump campaign. I am asking for the evidence of the claims made by MovingPictures. you are posting "fears" of Lisa Page and stating implications as a substitute for facts.
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I see what you chose. I cannot say I'm surprised. If you decide you want to choose otherwise, let me know and we'll chat. Otherwise, we're done.

Have a great day.
 
markjs said:
Wasn't it you was sure head's were gonna roll when you were awiting this cherished nothingburger? How's it taste?
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Well I know of some others who wet their beds in anticipation of this. :lol:
 
trixare4kids said:
So suppose you tell us what Strzok, who was the lead agent in the Russian investigation, meant when he replied to his lover's question...
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I don't know. But I'm not drawing absolute conclusions like you all on the right and I'm definitely not going to go directly to the right's insinuation of bullet to the head.

Why aren't you answering #2?
 
Cardinal said:
We can repair the domestic damage to our country from a Pence administration. I'm extremely dubious we can so easily repair the damage to our international relations and reputation caused by a trump administration (it's actually quite specifically why I voted for Clinton).

Pence and Trump will both cause unspeakable damage to our country domestically, but only one seems quite determined to destroy us internationally.
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"Placeholder" Pence will be a good start. The sooner we discredit Trump as a mistake the easier it will be to repair what he has broken.
 
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