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EU backs Canadian leader after Trump's sharp words

tres borrachos said:
He shouldn't be putting on an act when it comes to diplomacy. This isn't a reality TV show.

Markets have been up for the better part of the last 5 years. Unemployment has been dropping since 2009. And I don't want to give Obama credit for anything since I didn't vote for him - twice.

There is more to running this country than stock markets - which most Americans sadly aren't even in anyway - and private sector jobs, which a President doesn't create.

If Trump is going to act, he needs to act like an adult. This temper tantrum **** isn't cute and it isn't funny.
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I wish I could say it was something different, but this is who we got.
I think we deserve Ted Cruz, but Trump won.
On the bright side, our republic survived Obama, and will survive Trump.
A turn on a different saying, "All Presidents bring Joy, Some when they arrive at the Whitehouse, some when they depart!"
 
Bucky said:
Canada should thank us for bringing global stability in the world.
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So far I can't see any actual signs of "global stability"

Bucky said:
Who stopped the japanese?
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Where was the US in 1914, 1915, 1916, and most of 1917?

Where was the US in 1939, 1940, and most of 1941?

Bucky said:
Who stopped the ussr?
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From doing what?

Bucky said:
Who stopped isis?
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Right now it looks mostly like that was the Russians, the Iranians, and the Syrians.

Bucky said:
And all we ask for is fair trade deals.
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"We want to make an even bigger profit." doesn't actually qualify as "a fair trade deal".

Bucky said:
While we were winning wars and stopping attacks, what was Canada doing?
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Well,

  1. in 1914, Canada was fighting Germany and its allies - what was the US doing;
  2. in 1915, Canada was fighting Germany and its allies - what was the US doing;
  3. in 1916, Canada was fighting Germany and its allies - what was the US doing;
  4. in the first three quarters of 1917, Canada was fighting Germany and its allies - what was the US doing;
  5. in 1939, Canada was fighting Germany and its allies - what was the US doing;
  6. in 1940, Canada was fighting Germany and its allies - what was the US doing;
  7. in the first eleven months of 1941, Canada was fighting Germany and its allies - what was the US doing;

The answer to all of the above is "Making huge profits out of selling war materials to everyone in sight.

PS - Did you know that Canada has actually provided combatants to be based on US soil in order to defend the United States of America against an anticipated invasion? The US has never provided combatants to be based on Canadian soil in order to defend Canada against an anticipated invasion. Did you know that Canad a has actually provided combatants to help free American territory that had been invaded? The US has never provided combatants to help free Canadian territory that has been invaded (in fact the US is the only country in the world that has ever invaded Canada).
 
longview said:
I wish I could say it was something different, but this is who we got.
I think we deserve Ted Cruz, but Trump won.
On the bright side, our republic survived Obama, and will survive Trump.
A turn on a different saying, "All Presidents bring Joy, Some when they arrive at the Whitehouse, some when they depart!"
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I was a Rubio girl in the primaries, but I would have supported Cruz if he was the candidate.

I never felt like we weren't going to survive Obama. For the last 6 years of his Presidency we had a GOP controlled Congress. Obama couldn't do anything. What were you worried about that Obama was going to do to destroy us?
 
MTAtech said:
Canadian dairy policy is a fake issue. The point is that everyone has a few sectors, mainly in agriculture, that have old-fashioned high barriers. It's a trivial factor in world trade, and nobody has the right to cast stones. The dairy trade is measured in millions not billions. Essentially all the G7 countries have relative free trade. Swampy is inventing a problem where there isn't one and accusing Canada and Europe for doing something that we ourselves are also doing to the same extent.
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"Fake news"? Are you saying Canada doesn't have tariffs on dairy? And if I take your argument at face value then sure, why can't steel and aluminum be the US sectors that get protected? You seem to be making Trump's argument, albeit by accident.

My response was to the argument that tariffs aren't a big issue because Canadians buy Canadian where possible anyway... that is fine, but if that is true then there is no need to protect the Canadian dairy market with tariffs, just slap a Canadian flag on Canadian milk products.
 
jmotivator said:
If that is true then why does Canada have tariffs at all?
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I can only imagine that it is difficult being a farmer in Canada in the best years, I cannot fault them too much
from setting the requirements such that their farmers can squeeze out a living.
The Canadian consumers pay the price, Cheese is expensive!
 
Bucky said:
Notice we are the ones handeling north korea. Not Canada or Mexico.
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Let's see what sort of a "deal" Mr. Trump "negotiates" with Mr. Kim, shall we.

PS - Did you happen to notice that Mr. Kim has been quite clear that his country's nuclear weapons will only be used to retaliate against the United States of America IF the US attacks the DPRK? If the US has no intention of attacking the DPRK, why would the US be concerned about a possible retaliation by the DPRK for an American attack on the DPRK?

Bucky said:
Perhaps the u.s should be charging for their services.
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Not a bad idea.

Of course that would mean that the "customers" would only have to "buy" the "services" that they actually wanted to "buy" - wouldn't it?
 
tres borrachos said:
I was a Rubio girl in the primaries, but I would have supported Cruz if he was the candidate.

I never felt like we weren't going to survive Obama. For the last 6 years of his Presidency we had a GOP controlled Congress. Obama couldn't do anything. What were you worried about that Obama was going to do to destroy us?
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I would have supported Rubio as well, As for Obama my concern were mostly the Supreme Court,
but also his own policy blunders, The Presidency should not be on the Job training.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From ABC News

EU backs Canadian leader after Trump's sharp words
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The European Union on Monday backed Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau after U.S. President Donald Trump branded him "dishonest" and "weak" following a weekend Group of Seven summit of leaders.

European Commission spokesman Margaritis Schinas said the EU "stands fully behind" the joint statement issued at the end of the G-7.
Trump agreed to a statement on trade but withdrew from it later. He complained he was blindsided by Trudeau's criticism of his tariff threats during the premier's summit-ending news conference.

"The European Union will continue to stand up for an international, rules-based, multilateral system," Schinas said.

COMMENT:-

You know, maybe we aren't giving Mr. Trump enough credit for increasing the solidarity of the Western world. Maybe we just don't understand that his master plan is to get everyone to rally together "to face a common enemy". I mean Russia isn't a serious threat to anyone (except, possibly, the Mafia) and the Chinese certainly don't look like they are about to set out on a course of invading and conquering the whole world. That means that the Western world no longer has its "traditional enemies" so Mr. Trump is cleverly providing a new one.

Thanks Don.
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I see a whole lot of negative consequences from Trump's approach.


One possible positive consequence is that we really do succeed in pushing Russia, China, and the rest of the West together. After squeezing ourselves out of the world leadership position, maybe we'll finally stop spending so much blood and treasure meddling in other countries' affairs.

That's about it as far as positive consequences go.




I have little doubt that all the negative fallout of his approach will be blamed on the next D in office.
 
longview said:
I would have supported Rubio as well, As for Obama my concern were mostly the Supreme Court,
but also his own policy blunders, The Presidency should not be on the Job training.
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Trump is doing on the job training. And not well.

Obama was more qualified to work in government having been there.
 
longview said:
I can only imagine that it is difficult being a farmer in Canada in the best years, I cannot fault them too much
from setting the requirements such that their farmers can squeeze out a living.
The Canadian consumers pay the price, Cheese is expensive!
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Well, there are only so many Canadians, it's not like their goal is to corner the world market on cheese curd. ;)

I would assume there aren't many free range cattle... but then that is because they decided to raise cows in Canada. It's almost like the Canadian tariff are only there to protect cage raised cow's milk and cheese from the interloping grass fed, free range, organic milk.

They could drop the tariffs and then start a new ad campaign: "If the Milk isn't in a bag it's not from Canada!" :lamo Maybe do a take on the "Look for the Union Label" ads but "Make sure your milk is in Bags"
 
tres borrachos said:
Trump is doing on the job training. And not well.

Obama was more qualified to work in government having been there.
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I disagree, Trump has at least run large organizations,
To this day we really do not know much about Obama,
He did not do much in the Senate, all we really knew was that he was a community organizer.
 
jmotivator said:
Well, there are only so many Canadians, it's not like their goal is to corner the world market on cheese curd. ;)

I would assume there aren't many free range cattle... but then that is because they decided to raise cows in Canada. It's almost like the Canadian tariff are only there to protect cage raised cow's milk and cheese from the interloping grass fed, free range, organic milk.

They could drop the tariffs and then start a new ad campaign: "If the Milk isn't in a bag it's not from Canada!" :lamo Maybe do a take on the "Look for the Union Label" ads but "Make sure your milk is in Bags"
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My last trip to Alberta, the Milk was in a plastic jug, just like here.
Europe still does the plastic bag thing in France, I think.
 
jmotivator said:
If that is true then why does Canada have tariffs at all?
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The average Canadian tariff is 0.8%.

The average American tariff is 1.4%

The average EU tariff is 1.6%

One reason for imposing tariffs is to negate the competitive advantage that foreign government subsidies on the stuff that their country has over unsubsidized domestic production.

Since American milk production is HEAVILY subsidized by the US government, imposing tariffs on its import into Canada seems to make a bit of sense.

Since Canadian steel and aluminum production is not subsidized by the Canadian government, imposing tariffs on their import into the US is "only reasonable" - right?
 
longview said:
I disagree, Trump has at least run large organizations,
To this day we really do not know much about Obama,
He did not do much in the Senate, all we really knew was that he was a community organizer.
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Trump has only run his own large organizations. He has never worked in government. He has never had to answer to a Board of Directors. He has had sole decision making discretion his entire life, which is why he has exactly zero idea how to work for or with anyone now.

We know a lot about Obama. He was in the state Senate and the US Senate. He was on committees in both roles. I have no idea how much he worked on them, what he contributed, or any of the rest of it. But no, he wasn't just a community organizer. You're better than that. You know he had legislating experience, and he also had experience in working with and for people. Trump didn't. That's part of what's going wrong with him.
 
jmotivator said:
They could drop the tariffs ...
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Indeed Canada could.

Not only that, but I suspect that Canada would be willing to do so PROVIDED that the US government dropped all "Price Stabilization Payments" on American milk.

Of course if Mr. Trump did that he would be guaranteed to lose 100% of the "Dairy Farmer Vote" - wouldn't he.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
The average Canadian tariff is 0.8%.

The average American tariff is 1.4%

The average EU tariff is 1.6%
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That actually doesn't tell any story, let alone whatever one you think it is telling. How was the number arrived at? Are there a lot of small tariffs, or a few huge ones? Are the tariffs targeted to a specific trade partner? Where did you get the numbers so that I can get the info you should have provided?

One reason for imposing tariffs is to negate the competitive advantage that foreign government subsidies on the stuff that their country has over unsubsidized domestic production.
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True, but you'd be better making the argument based on those deeper fact rather than flat percentage with no useful underlying meaning.

Since American milk production is HEAVILY subsidized by the US government, imposing tariffs on its import into Canada seems to make a bit of sense.
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If you are talking about the Clark study that was making the rounds a few months back, I'll have to call foul on this findings since they lumped things like federal state an local nutrition ads and public water in to their list of "dairy subsidies", none of which actually effect the cost of milk in Canada. And anyway, doesn't Canada do public water? :roll:


Since Canadian steel and aluminum production is not subsidized by the Canadian government, imposing tariffs on their import into the US is "only reasonable" - right?
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Depending on how you count subsidies... if you accept the Clark dairy report then I guess we can count Canadian health care system as a subsidy to ALL Canadian goods.

Also, are you sure there are no Canadian subsidies on Steel? You'd have to explain how the Canadian steel industry was on the brink in 2016 and suddenly is doing well without government intervention. (Hint: Canadian steel was on the brink due to Chinese steel dumping on foreign markets)
 
longview said:
My last trip to Alberta, the Milk was in a plastic jug, just like here.
Europe still does the plastic bag thing in France, I think.
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Ontario uses plastic bags for milk. Alberta did about 37 years ago when it was home delivery.
 
jmotivator said:
Well, there are only so many Canadians, it's not like their goal is to corner the world market on cheese curd. ;)

I would assume there aren't many free range cattle... but then that is because they decided to raise cows in Canada. It's almost like the Canadian tariff are only there to protect cage raised cow's milk and cheese from the interloping grass fed, free range, organic milk.

They could drop the tariffs and then start a new ad campaign: "If the Milk isn't in a bag it's not from Canada!" :lamo Maybe do a take on the "Look for the Union Label" ads but "Make sure your milk is in Bags"
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In Alberta there are a lot of free range cattle. Raised mostly for beef
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From ABC News

EU backs Canadian leader after Trump's sharp words
​

The European Union on Monday backed Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau after U.S. President Donald Trump branded him "dishonest" and "weak" following a weekend Group of Seven summit of leaders.

European Commission spokesman Margaritis Schinas said the EU "stands fully behind" the joint statement issued at the end of the G-7.
Trump agreed to a statement on trade but withdrew from it later. He complained he was blindsided by Trudeau's criticism of his tariff threats during the premier's summit-ending news conference.

"The European Union will continue to stand up for an international, rules-based, multilateral system," Schinas said.

COMMENT:-

You know, maybe we aren't giving Mr. Trump enough credit for increasing the solidarity of the Western world. Maybe we just don't understand that his master plan is to get everyone to rally together "to face a common enemy". I mean Russia isn't a serious threat to anyone (except, possibly, the Mafia) and the Chinese certainly don't look like they are about to set out on a course of invading and conquering the whole world. That means that the Western world no longer has its "traditional enemies" so Mr. Trump is cleverly providing a new one.

Thanks Don.
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The globalists in the EU are fighting for their lives.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Let's see what sort of a "deal" Mr. Trump "negotiates" with Mr. Kim, shall we.

PS - Did you happen to notice that Mr. Kim has been quite clear that his country's nuclear weapons will only be used to retaliate against the United States of America IF the US attacks the DPRK? If the US has no intention of attacking the DPRK, why would the US be concerned about a possible retaliation by the DPRK for an American attack on the DPRK?



Not a bad idea.

Of course that would mean that the "customers" would only have to "buy" the "services" that they actually wanted to "buy" - wouldn't it?
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This is just anti-American rhetoric. I know the education system in the u.s. is slanted left but Canada seems to be worse.
 
tres borrachos said:
I was a Rubio girl in the primaries, but I would have supported Cruz if he was the candidate.

I never felt like we weren't going to survive Obama. For the last 6 years of his Presidency we had a GOP controlled Congress. Obama couldn't do anything. What were you worried about that Obama was going to do to destroy us?
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Rubio girl???

lol. The Rubio girls in his state didn't even vote for him. They voted for Trump. LOL! bunch of sluts.
 
Bucky said:
Rubio girl???

lol. The Rubio girls in his state didn't even vote for him. They voted for Trump. LOL! bunch of sluts.
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Play Nice! Trump was the nominee, and the other choice was Hillary:doh
 
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