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Sen. Bob Corker defies Trump and unveils bill to check his ability to impose tariffs

TheGoverness said:
And what I don't get is why he's slapping tarriffs on our friends. Canada, Europe and it's nations, etc. Seems pretty ****ing counter-productive if you ask me.
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look at our trade deficit.
since trump became president our trade deficit has dropped a bit.

however it is still at 46 billion dollars.

people wonder where all the manufacturing jobs and things like that went?
they went out the window on all of these free trade agreements.

These agreements did little to benefit us and has cost us jobs.

Free Trade Costs American Jobs

I see no issue in making sure that the deals we are making are good for all parties involved not just others.
most deals in general should be pretty much evenly set.
 
tres borrachos said:
Stop posting about TDS. I'm not a tweenie. I'm an adult. If you can't post like an adult, then don't waste my time.

And next time learn to read what people post before wasting your finger efforts. You need them for your Trump Fan Club meeting later.
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Then act like it instead of stamping your feet shouting trump trump trump. you are the last persont to be telling anyone to post like an adult.
put a bit of logic and reason behind your post instead of trump trump trump and i won't have to add TDS.

that is why you come up with nonsense like "They want him to be king". that is a TDS response.
it has 0 basis in fact or anything else.

I am educating you. i did learn to read what you posted and i showed you that he has the power to do it
as all president before him have.

you on the other hand just have a melt down because it's trump.

I didn't hear you whining and complaining and other presidents using tariffs etc when they did it.
nope just trump.

You don't like the fact the he has the same powers as other presidents blame congress.
they are the ones that ceded power of tarrifs etc to who the president is.

not trump but whoever holds the office of president.
 
ludin said:
Then act like it instead of stamping your feet shouting trump trump trump. you are the last persont to be telling anyone to post like an adult.
put a bit of logic and reason behind your post instead of trump trump trump and i won't have to add TDS.

I am educating you. i did learn to read what you posted and i showed you that he has the power to do it
as all president before him have.

you on the other hand just have a melt down because it's trump.

I didn't hear you whining and complaining and other presidents using tariffs etc when they did it.
nope just trump.

You don't like the fact the he has the same powers as other presidents blame congress.
they are the ones that ceded power of tarrifs etc to who the president is.

not trump but whoever holds the office of president.
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Knock it off. You made a mistake and didn't read my post. It has nothing to do with "trump trump trump". I'm not like you and have the man occupying space in my head 24 hours a day. I said "the President". It's an office. I know you can't differentiate between the historic office of the President and your crush who occupies it today, but most of the rest of us can.
 
ludin said:
look at our trade deficit.
since trump became president our trade deficit has dropped a bit.

however it is still at 46 billion dollars.

people wonder where all the manufacturing jobs and things like that went?
they went out the window on all of these free trade agreements.

These agreements did little to benefit us and has cost us jobs.

Free Trade Costs American Jobs

I see no issue in making sure that the deals we are making are good for all parties involved not just others.
most deals in general should be pretty much evenly set.
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How is trying to get into a trade war with our allies beneficial to anyone? It's not. If you want to re-negotiate, then take steps to do that. This is not the way to go about it.
 
TheGoverness said:
How is trying to get into a trade war with our allies beneficial to anyone? It's not. If you want to re-negotiate, then take steps to do that. This is not the way to go about it.
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it is called leverage.
you can only negotiate with a party that wants to negotiate.
sometimes you have to force their hand to get them to the table.

more so when they are holding the cards because past deals have give them the cards to do it.
that is what happened in these free trade deals.

they were given all the cards and we were just hoping for a return. it didn't happen if you read the article.
it make me less likely to come back to the table as well. however if you force me back to the table then i will.

trump is doing a classic business move and leveraging the US economy against those bad deals.
He knows that those countries depend on our markets for their exports.

honestly i would do the same thing if i was in his position if other methods failed which they clearly have.
sometimes you have to pump the bellows and follow through on pumping the bellows to get people to take you seriously.

the problem is we haven't had that for the past 8 years.
 
MTAtech said:
That power is derived from Congress, as your own link states, "Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917," "the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977," and "Trade Act of 1974, Section 122."
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i never said it wasn't. I simply stated that what he is doing is within his power to do and the link i posted supports it.
 
notquiteright said:
Here's the thing, twice in recent history Congresspersons have made the hard vote and peeved off those 'back at home' the AWB and the ACA comes to mind. Now the Republicant's voted dozens of meaningless times to repeal the ACA and when the vote counted just couldn't do it.

It appears the democrats can make the hard vote while the Republicant's can't.

I don't think the 'national security' dodge is because the vote would be too difficult for ALL congress folks... :peace
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The ACA vote definitely cost the Democrats the House, like 63 seats. You could call it a hard vote, but I call it a vote against what the majority of Americans wanted. Because the Democrats basically told most of America to stick it where the sun don't shine, failed to listen to them, they lost control of the house. Hard vote, perhaps those Dems who voted against the ACA. Pelosi had threaten, armed twisted and made sure that if any Democrat didn't toe the party line, there would be repercussions. Such as withholding campaign funds and other things.

If the Pelosi and the democrats had listened to America, they still would have the House. I really don't call the ACA vote a hard vote, it was against most Americans wants and wishes and the Dems paid the price of not listening. Their agenda over rode what what most Americans wanted.

The ACA is a pet peeve of mind. I think a representative should represent the people of his district and listen to them regardless of party. Same for senators in their states. These folks as the theory goes were elected to represent the people back home. Not some political agenda when the people are against it. Either side with the people or side with the political agenda, siding with the political agenda against the people every once in a while will come back to bite. Losing the house as far as I'm concerned is the democrats.

Now the GOP is making the same mistake as the democrats in their attempted repeal. Most Americans said no, not without something better. The Republicans by not listening, although they failed, they deserve to lose the House. that may happen.
 
tres borrachos said:
Knock it off. You made a mistake and didn't read my post. It has nothing to do with "trump trump trump". I'm not like you and have the man occupying space in my head 24 hours a day. I said "the President". It's an office. I know you can't differentiate between the historic office of the President and your crush who occupies it today, but most of the rest of us can.
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Nope i read your post.

You were ranting at him being king etc ...
the power he has was given to all presidents.

presidents have used tarriffs in various ways over the years.

i didn't make a mistake you simply can't support your rant.

He isn't in my head 24/7 for you that is a different story. all you do is rant trump trump trump on every thread you post.
ignore past precedent and history.

no you can't that is evident as you still can't support your statement that people want him to be king.

he is using the same official powers that past presidents have had and have used.
the only difference is now you are complaining about where before you were silent.

the only difference is who is president. you have been like this ever since he was elected.
the problem is yours to get over not mine.

he is president and he is allowed to use those powers afford to him by congress.
 
ludin said:
it is called leverage.
you can only negotiate with a party that wants to negotiate.
sometimes you have to force their hand to get them to the table.

more so when they are holding the cards because past deals have give them the cards to do it.
that is what happened in these free trade deals.

they were given all the cards and we were just hoping for a return. it didn't happen if you read the article.
it make me less likely to come back to the table as well. however if you force me back to the table then i will.

trump is doing a classic business move and leveraging the US economy against those bad deals.
He knows that those countries depend on our markets for their exports.

honestly i would do the same thing if i was in his position if other methods failed which they clearly have.
sometimes you have to pump the bellows and follow through on pumping the bellows to get people to take you seriously.

the problem is we haven't had that for the past 8 years.
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No the last eight years we had a president who worked to bring us back from the brink of a depression, successfully I might ad.
Now we have someone in the Whitehouse who is working hard to drive right back there.
 
Grand Mal said:
I'm a child of the parliamentary system and it seems odd to me that the President can dictate that kind of internationl policy to the elected legislature. I appreciate the attempted separation of powers and the idea of checks and balances but it looks like this kind of thing is why the idea of checks on the executive branch were created.
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If other presidents can relabel treaties as deals then honor them by sending pallet loads of cash even if they are unsigned, then President Trump can do pretty much as he pleases using the same government issued pen and phone. Alinsky's rule 4.
 
TheGoverness said:
And what I don't get is why he's slapping tarriffs on our friends. Canada, Europe and it's nations, etc. Seems pretty ****ing counter-productive if you ask me.
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I don't get that either. In general I'm opposed to trade wars. They seldom end well.
 
ludin said:
Nope i read your post.

You were ranting at him being king etc ...
the power he has was given to all presidents.

presidents have used tarriffs in various ways over the years.

i didn't make a mistake you simply can't support your rant.

He isn't in my head 24/7 for you that is a different story. all you do is rant trump trump trump on every thread you post.
ignore past precedent and history.

no you can't that is evident as you still can't support your statement that people want him to be king.

he is using the same official powers that past presidents have had and have used.
the only difference is now you are complaining about where before you were silent.

the only difference is who is president. you have been like this ever since he was elected.
the problem is yours to get over not mine.

he is president and he is allowed to use those powers afford to him by congress.
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No, you didn't read my post. If you had, you wouldn't have wasted my time with that stupid link.

I said what the office of the President should NOT have the power to do. You counter with a link "Educate yourself! He can do this!". I already KNOW what the office can do. I weighed in with what I think the office should NOT be able to do.

Get a grip on yourself, and keep your mad adoration for Trump in check. I don't care how much you adore him. It isn't relevant when discussing Presidential powers.
 
jimbo said:
I don't get that either. In general I'm opposed to trade wars. They seldom end well.
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Has there ever been a trade war that did end well for both parties? Granted I don't know all of them throughout history, but they never seem to have the net positive effect on the countries involved nor the global economy.
 
tres borrachos said:
Try reading the posts next time and keep your adoration for Trump in check.

I said - now read it again - the President shouldn't have unilateral powers to impose tariffs. Shouldn't. Should not have them.

You should probably learn to read posts before quoting them and making dumb comments like you just did.
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I don't see how Congress can stop him. If he breaks the law, he can just pardon himself.
 
GDViking said:
No the last eight years we had a president who worked to bring us back from the brink of a depression, successfully I might ad.
Now we have someone in the Whitehouse who is working hard to drive right back there.
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wow.

He had one of the worst recoveries.
we were no were near a depression. stop using that as an excuse. 8 year later.
it is no longer an excuse.

then you are not paying attention to the economic numbers.
my only concern is that they are a little on the hot side and could cool off.

i see a market adjustment coming soon but that will be about it.
there is little indication that we are driving to a depression.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a...g-theres-no-sign-of-a-us-recession-2018-06-05
 
rocket88 said:
I don't see how Congress can stop him. If he breaks the law, he can just pardon himself.
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congress can pass a bill pulling some of those powers back, however
they have to pass a bill and then get it through a veto vote.
 
rocket88 said:
I don't see how Congress can stop him. If he breaks the law, he can just pardon himself.
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Did you hear Paul Ryan weigh in on that yesterday? I think Ryan can't wait to get the hell out of DC and distance himself from that vile man.
 
ludin said:
wow.

He had one of the worst recoveries.
we were no were near a depression. stop using that as an excuse. 8 year later.
it is no longer an excuse.

then you are not paying attention to the economic numbers.
my only concern is that they are a little on the hot side and could cool off.

i see a market adjustment coming soon but that will be about it.
there is little indication that we are driving to a depression.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a...g-theres-no-sign-of-a-us-recession-2018-06-05
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The US was no where near a depression because of the massive government interference in the economy at the time.

Auto sales cratered from 17 million a year to less than 10 million a year, the government (federal) ran up deficits equal to 9% of GDP and provided loans to the financial industry over a trillion dollars.

Obama could easily have had a better recovery if the government allowed the economy to fall much further, which it would have without governmental interference. Growth from a much lower starting point would give a higher % growth
 
jimbo said:
I don't get that either. In general I'm opposed to trade wars. They seldom end well.
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i don't see trade wars as much as i see leverage.
Trump all along as said i want to renegotiate.

these people don't want to come to the table in good faith some times you have to drag people.
why don't they want to come in good faith?

because past people have given away the horse and buggy and half the barn and they don't want to give it up.
 
TheGoverness said:
And what I don't get is why he's slapping tarriffs on our friends. Canada, Europe and it's nations, etc. Seems pretty ****ing counter-productive if you ask me.
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For national security. Canada or Europe or both...could invade anytime.
 
ludin said:
look at our trade deficit.
since trump became president our trade deficit has dropped a bit.

however it is still at 46 billion dollars.

people wonder where all the manufacturing jobs and things like that went?
they went out the window on all of these free trade agreements.

These agreements did little to benefit us and has cost us jobs.

Free Trade Costs American Jobs

I see no issue in making sure that the deals we are making are good for all parties involved not just others.
most deals in general should be pretty much evenly set.
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The trade deficit declined slightly month to month, but year over year, its gone up 11.5% compared to last year. In fact, its at its highest level now since the Great Recession.

https://www.marketplace.org/2018/06...ller-april-wider-lens-shows-less-rosy-picture

Manufacturing jobs did not decline due to free trade, but rather you can blame container ships and automation. There are less manufacturing jobs today in China than there used to be for the same reasons.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The US was no where near a depression because of the massive government interference in the economy at the time.

Auto sales cratered from 17 million a year to less than 10 million a year, the government (federal) ran up deficits equal to 9% of GDP and provided loans to the financial industry over a trillion dollars.

Obama could easily have had a better recovery if the government allowed the economy to fall much further, which it would have without governmental interference. Growth from a much lower starting point would give a higher % growth
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we don't judge recovery from the bottom of the well. they judge recover by the the amount of growth after the recession is over.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/louisw...or-worst-economic-recovery-ever/#22185a4e3ca2
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
The trade deficit declined slightly month to month, but year over year, its gone up 11.5% compared to last year. In fact, its at its highest level now since the Great Recession.

https://www.marketplace.org/2018/06...ller-april-wider-lens-shows-less-rosy-picture

Manufacturing jobs did not decline due to free trade, but rather you can blame container ships and automation. There are less manufacturing jobs today in China than there used to be for the same reasons.
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please see the article i posted.
 
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