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'Comey and the boys' shouldn't have hidden probe of Paul Manafort during campaign, Trump says

Fletch said:
But they werent investigating Trump. They were spying on fringe players like Page and Papadouchbag. There is no reason they coulndt or shouldnt have informed him about that.
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You are dodging the question.
Fletch, are you saying you are not aware of, or that you disagree with DOJ policy not to discuss ongoing investigations (with anyone). With anyone, target or not, is 100% irrelevant to that. Simply go on record with your response.
 
Cardinal said:
You suggested that I said the Trump campaign was never under investigation. Please support this claim.
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Are you saying that the Trump campaign was under investigation when the FBI/CIA planted a mole inside the campaign?
 
Cardinal said:
There is no reason to think the FBI cleared Kushner for top security clearance, and even if they did, .
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You're like a dog with a bone...You're seriously not going to revisit this again, are you? The FBI gave a report on Kushner which contributed to making it possible for Kushner to get his final top clearance...since it is fact that the FBI is always asked to to do reports on federal gov. employees in need of "TOP" security clearances.

are you suggesting that the FBI told Kushner to hire an unregistered foreign agent to run the trump campaign?
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Nope, and if you are interested in reading what I actually wrote, you'd know this.
 
Mach said:
You are dodging the question.
Fletch, are you saying you are not aware of, or that you disagree with DOJ policy not to discuss ongoing investigations (with anyone). With anyone, target or not, is 100% irrelevant to that. Simply go on record with your response.
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Did Clapper lie?
 
Cardinal said:
The question was the meat of my post. I'll paste it here again for you: At what point is Trump responsible for his relationship with Russian agents? If "never" is your answer, you can just say so.
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Manafort and Flynn are not Russian agents so at what point someone is responsible is a moot point.
 
apdst said:
Are you saying that the Trump campaign was under investigation
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Of course it's under investigation. To my knowledge it's been under one form of investigation or another since the Australian ambassador phoned up the FBI to let them know one of the trump campaign workers was meeting with Russian agents.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Manafort and Flynn are not Russian agents so at what point someone is responsible is a moot point.
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Flynn was a Turkish agent, and Manafort was compromised by an oligarch (Deripaska) in league with Putin.
 
trixare4kids said:
You're like a dog with a bone...You're seriously not going to revisit this again, are you? The FBI gave a report on Kushner which contributed to making it possible for Kushner to get his final top clearance...since it is fact that the FBI is always asked to to do reports on federal gov. employees in need of "TOP" security clearances.
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No.

trixare4kids said:
Nope, and if you are interested in reading what I actually wrote, you'd know this.
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Well, you acknowledge that it was Kushner and not the FBI who made the decision to hire Manafort, yet you're still trying to lay the blame for that decision at the FBI's doorstep. That makes no sense.
 
Mach said:
You are dodging the question.
Fletch, are you saying you are not aware of, or that you disagree with DOJ policy not to discuss ongoing investigations (with anyone). With anyone, target or not, is 100% irrelevant to that. Simply go on record with your response.
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But the FBI does discuss investigations with and work with people during these investigations. Do you think that when the FBI or local law enforcement are investigating package theft they dont work with and notify Fedex of their investigations? If the FBI learns that someone on the inside of a corporation is engaged in criminal behavior, you think they dont contact the president of that company? If the FBI truly believed that a foreign power was trying to infiltrate the organization of one of our major political parties, they absolutely should have notified that organization and let them know and sought their assistance in stopping it.
 
Fletch said:
But the FBI does discuss investigations with and work with people during these investigations. Do you think that when the FBI or local law enforcement are investigating package theft they dont work with and notify Fedex of their investigations? If the FBI learns that someone on the inside of a corporation is engaged in criminal behavior, you think they dont contact the president of that company? If the FBI truly believed that a foreign power was trying to infiltrate the organization of one of our major political parties, they absolutely should have notified that organization and let them know and sought their assistance in stopping it.
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What if fbi suspected that the package theft was occurring with the help of collaborators within fedex itself? What if informing fedex of the package theft results in the culprits finding out that their operation is compromised and it drops of the radar? Than informing the fedex did more harm than good
 
Cardinal said:
No.



Well, you acknowledge that it was Kushner and not the FBI who made the decision to hire Manafort, yet you're still trying to lay the blame for that decision at the FBI's doorstep. That makes no sense.
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Stop putting words in my mouth.
 
Fletch said:
But the FBI does discuss investigations with and work with people during these investigations. Do you think that when the FBI or local law enforcement are investigating package theft they dont work with and notify Fedex of their investigations? If the FBI learns that someone on the inside of a corporation is engaged in criminal behavior, you think they dont contact the president of that company?
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By all means, evidence that they share details similar to what Trump is asking for. Since it's so common that you can claim it without sourcing it, it must be trivial for you to produce. If you cannto back your claim, and I have provided you with clear evidence to the contrary, you really should withdraw your claim.

If the FBI truly believed that a foreign power was trying to infiltrate the organization of one of our major political parties, they absolutely should have notified that organization and let them know and sought their assistance in stopping it.
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False. It's long-standing practice not to do that..

https://www.justice.gov/usao/justice-101/faq
How can I find out if a particular matter is being investigated by the federal government?

If you are a victim of a federal crime and have been dealing with a law enforcement agency, you should contact that law enforcement agency to follow up on the status of the case. Longstanding Department practice prevents the Executive Office for United States Attorneys from confirming or denying the existence of particular matters or investigations, and cannot discuss the status of any matter that may be pending in a United States Attorney’s Office. Please be assured that all allegations of federal law violations are taken very seriously by all United States Attorneys’ offices.
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There is your evidence to the contrary. Trump should not have been notified.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
What if fbi suspected that the package theft was occurring with the help of collaborators within fedex itself? What if informing fedex of the package theft results in the culprits finding out that their operation is compromised and it drops of the radar? Than informing the fedex did more harm than good
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The FBI doesnt assume that Fred Smith is behind the package thefts. ;) The FBI didnt inform Trump because they wanted the Russian infiltration to continue. They just wanted to monitor it and keep it alive so it could be used against him later.
 
Fletch said:
The FBI doesnt assume that Fred Smith is behind the package thefts. ;) The FBI didnt inform Trump because they wanted the Russian infiltration to continue. They just wanted to monitor it and keep it alive so it could be used against him later.
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Now you are projecting a motive into the Fbi with out evidence
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
What if fbi suspected that the package theft was occurring with the help of collaborators within fedex itself? What if informing fedex of the package theft results in the culprits finding out that their operation is compromised and it drops of the radar? Than informing the fedex did more harm than good
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They would have to obtain a warrant.
 
apdst said:
So...he lied?
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Who? Donald Trump jr when he claimed who was in the Tower Meeting and what it was about?

Yes, he most certainly did.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
None of that refutes what I said. Try a better argument then being too lazy to re-write and thus posted a link to your own irrelevant word Salad.

Neither Manafort nor Flynn were agents of the Russian government.
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Clicking on the link isn't enough. You have to read the post that you'll see when you click on it.
 
Cardinal said:
Who? Donald Trump jr when he claimed who was in the Tower Meeting and what it was about?

Yes, he most certainly did.
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Don't edit my posts.
 
Cardinal said:
Clicking on the link isn't enough. You have to read the post that you'll see when you click on it.
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Manafort and Flynn are not agents of the Russian government, you have cited no evidence to that effect. Neither here nor in your word salad link.
 
trixare4kids said:
Trump's complaints about the FBI failing to notify the campaign are legitimate.
Even your Post article said, "A person familiar with Manafort’s work on the campaign said there was no information to suggest that the FBI had alerted the campaign to any concerns the bureau had with Manafort."
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The idea that Manafort was not vetted enough to know his relationships with the Kremlin is preposterous. His work with pro-Putin Ukrainian officials was common knowledge. It is likely that he was chosen for that very reason.
 
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