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From your reference:

a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics


Buckley provides an argument for denying universal suffrage

It's truly amazing how denying "universal suffrage" is exactly the same as denying blacks suffrage--without the need for any argument whatsoever.
LOL....discriminating , wanting to deny black voting, is by definition "denying universal suffrage".

How much more absurd can you get?

We will see....
 
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Further:



Definition of culture
1 a : the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group; also : the characteristic features of everyday existence (such as diversions or a way of life) shared by people in a place or time popular culture Southern culture

Further still, you already conceded that Buckley equated culture to race:

I've shown how you manipulated the quotation by leaving out relevant material that shows that "advanced race" refers directly and only to the white culture of the time.
 
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I recommend you read this. It may help dispel your misapprehensions about the limitations on black voting in the 1950s South.
I'm aware of the struggle, but that is not the argument, the argument still is whether Buckley's article is racist, if his argument that denying blacks the vote is racist.
 
From your reference:

a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics

Are we pretending that the above represents the definition of "culture" or what?

Are some shared interests, habits or characteristics better than others (your latest cue to dodge)?

LOL....discriminating , wanting to deny black voting, is by definition "denying universal suffrage".


Are you deliberately missing the point that denying universal suffrage is not by definition denying black voting? There are many ways to prevent universal suffrage that do not involve preventing blacks from voting. Please concede the point so that I can start to assume that you understand it.

And once you understand it, maybe you'll begin to see that supporting something less than universal suffrage is not (contrary to what you appeared to claim earlier) a demonstration of racism against blacks.

How much more absurd can you get?

We will see....

Your history of error pretty much precludes you from serving as a judge of absurdity.

Further:

Definition of culture
1 a : the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group; also : the characteristic features of everyday existence (such as diversions or a way of life) shared by people in a place or time popular culture Southern culture

Huh. And I thought you were saying it is "shared interests, habits, or characteristics" that constitute race. What am I missing? Other than your equivocation, that is?

Further still, you already conceded that Buckley equated culture to race:

I already pointed out your mistake. I suppose it's easy to do so again, hoping for a better result from you next time.

Using "advanced race" to refer to culture instead of genetics (look at definitions of "race" that you skipped over while cherry picking) is not equating culture to race. It is picking out something held generally in common (culture; a "unifying characteristic") and referring to it by the term "white race." It doesn't make the terms interchangeable. That path (and others) leads to the fallacy of equivocation, of which you have already been guilty multiple times.

I'm aware of the struggle, but that is not the argument, the argument still is whether Buckley's article is racist, if his argument that denying blacks the vote is racist.

One can lead a horse to water ...
As I said, I shared that URL with you so that you could see what types of limitations were placed on voting in the South during the time when Buckley wrote.

There was a poll tax. Did that prevent all blacks from voting? Did it prevent whites from voting?

There was a literacy test. Did that prevent all blacks from voting? Did it prevent whites from voting?

There was also intimidation of black voters, but Buckley's column appears to disparage such tactics with his admonishment that the South should seek to achieve equality of culture for the races*.

*Which, if Buckley equated culture with race makes it appear that he wanted the races to interbreed to the point where the races were indistinguishable?
 
Are we pretending that the above represents the definition of "culture" or what?
LOL....FFS! That is from YOUR reference for....wait for it...the definition of..."Race".

Are some shared interests, habits or characteristics better than others (your latest cue to dodge)?
You mean are some "races" better than others? Why don't you answer your own question?




Are you deliberately missing the point that denying universal suffrage is not by definition denying black voting?
You have yourself so backwards, so confused....I'll write this slowly for you....denying a minority group the vote IS denying universal suffrage.
There are many ways to prevent universal suffrage that do not involve preventing blacks from voting.
If a minority group within a population is denied the vote, how can you claim that "universal suffrage exists? This is such a stupid, illogical argument. GOOD FRIGGING GRIEF!
Please concede the point so that I can start to assume that you understand it.
I'll concede that these postings from you are becoming even more ridiculous.

And once you understand it, maybe you'll begin to see that supporting something less than universal suffrage is not (contrary to what you appeared to claim earlier) a demonstration of racism against blacks.
Except for the part, where, you know, Buckley argues for blacks not voting....because that is discriminatory....and racist.



Your history of error pretty much precludes you from serving as a judge of absurdity.
Says the guy who just argued that denying a group the vote is not denying universal suffrage.



Huh. And I thought you were saying it is "shared interests, habits, or characteristics" that constitute race. What am I missing? Other than your equivocation, that is?
You are still missing that the first definition above WAS FOR "RACE"....and that this is for "CULTURE"....and they are from the source YOU USED!

LOL!



I already pointed out your mistake. I suppose it's easy to do so again, hoping for a better result from you next time.

Using "advanced race" to refer to culture instead of genetics (look at definitions of "race" that you skipped over while cherry picking) is not equating culture to race. It is picking out something held generally in common (culture; a "unifying characteristic") and referring to it by the term "white race." It doesn't make the terms interchangeable. That path (and others) leads to the fallacy of equivocation, of which you have already been guilty multiple times.
As I just showed, your own source, Webster, does make the "equivocation", but more importantly, BUCKLEY made the "equivocation"...and that is all that matters when we are debating WHAT HE SAID....and to put the cherry on top, I have you RECOGNIZING that Buckley said it, you understand he made that equivocation.



One can lead a horse to water ...
As I said, I shared that URL with you so that you could see what types of limitations were placed on voting in the South during the time when Buckley wrote.

There was a poll tax. Did that prevent all blacks from voting? Did it prevent whites from voting?

There was a literacy test. Did that prevent all blacks from voting? Did it prevent whites from voting?

There was also intimidation of black voters, but Buckley's column appears to disparage such tactics with his admonishment that the South should seek to achieve equality of culture for the races*.

*Which, if Buckley equated culture with race makes it appear that he wanted the races to interbreed to the point where the races were indistinguishable?
None of this matters, since it has no bearing on what I am supposed to "prove", it is simply your wondering about subjects beyond the scope of the point at hand. This is commonly called a diversion, and folks in these parts do it most often when they lost the point.
 
At least 8 white nationalists running for federal office

MSNBC’s Morgan Radford spoke with white nationalists who are running for federal office this year on the Republican ticket. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, at least eight white nationalists are running, more than ever before.
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Tiki torch sales will be booming come November. American Nazi Party, Holocaust deniers, Trump fans. One big happy party.

Yes alot of white people are fed up with Diversity and do not think its a strength. For example look at Detroit and Baltimore.
They are ruined.
I agree with them.
 
Yes alot of white people are fed up with Diversity and do not think its a strength. For example look at Detroit and Baltimore.
They are ruined.
I agree with them.

:doh

Right, the problem is just the "others" got it. You could take your ill informed view and compare it to all of the benefits this country has because of its diversity and immigration throughout its history.
 
LOL....FFS! That is from YOUR reference for....wait for it...the definition of..."Race".

Obviously. So why aren't you answering the question? Out of respect for your own tradition?

You mean are some "races" better than others? Why don't you answer your own question?

If you will recall, I specifically told you that I do not equate race with culture. Yes, some cultures are better than others. It's an easy question to answer. Except for you. For you, answering the question must be avoided at all costs.

How many times have you been asked now, and you have declined to answer? Six? Seven? More?

You have yourself so backwards, so confused

Confused about what? Or does custom dictate that you *always* argue by insisting on your conclusion instead of presenting premises that logically imply the conclusion?

....I'll write this slowly for you....denying a minority group the vote IS denying universal suffrage.

Sure, in the same sense that Coors is beer. But that doesn't mean that beer is Coors, does it (your cue to dodge again, I suppose)? You don't get to argue that beer is Coors just because Coors is beer. Got it?

If a minority group within a population is denied the vote, how can you claim that "universal suffrage exists? This is such a stupid, illogical argument.

Sure. But who's making that argument, in your opinion?

GOOD FRIGGING GRIEF! I'll concede that these postings from you are becoming even more ridiculous.

You can't be serious.

Except for the part, where, you know, Buckley argues for blacks not voting....because that is discriminatory....and racist.

I can't say I'm surprised that you're repeating your conclusion yet again without the benefit of a supporting argument.

Says the guy who just argued that denying a group the vote is not denying universal suffrage.

LOL. I didn't say that. I said that denying universal suffrage is not denying black people the vote. Same as beer is not Coors. Do you get it yet?

You are still missing that the first definition above WAS FOR "RACE"....and that this is for "CULTURE"....and they are from the source YOU USED!

You're still routinely dodging questions and missing the point. I know where the definitions come from. Stop with the red herring fallacies and answer the questions.

As I just showed, your own source, Webster, does make the "equivocation",

Webster's does not equivocate. Do not misuse the term, lest you again commit the fallacy of equivocation.

but more importantly, BUCKLEY made the "equivocation"...and that is all that matters when we are debating WHAT HE SAID....and to put the cherry on top, I have you RECOGNIZING that Buckley said it, you understand he made that equivocation.

You've misused the term "equivocation" consistently in the above. There's no use responding to it, for it doesn't have any meaning except to illustrate your carelessness with words.

With your argument in its present state, Buckley stands accused of favoring white culture over black culture, and you've given this the name "racism" because "race" can mean a group holding certain things in common (such as culture). You also assert that this "racism" of Buckley's is an extremist position, implying that it is out of the mainstream to believe that some cultures are better than others. And for some reason(!) you will not answer whether you believe that some cultures are better than others.

Do I need to add or change anything to make that summary of your argument more accurate?

None of this matters, since it has no bearing on what I am supposed to "prove", it is simply your wondering about subjects beyond the scope of the point at hand. This is commonly called a diversion, and folks in these parts do it most often when they lost the point.

Heh. The diversion is all yours. I keep coming right to the point, as I did just above. I've summarized your argument for you. If you count some cultures as better than others then your argument against Buckley makes you are a racist and an extremist. If you find all cultures equal then you are a real-life extremist, for you have placed yourself in the minority camp of cultural relativists. Does a culture routinely keep women uneducated and subjugated? Not a problem, says the relativist. No culture is better than any other.

Which is it? Or do we get to enjoy another round of your distractions?
 
Obviously. So why aren't you answering the question? Out of respect for your own tradition?
I did answer the question.



If you will recall, I specifically told you that I do not equate race with culture.
Who the **** cares, you did not write the article we are debating.
Yes, some cultures are better than others. It's an easy question to answer. Except for you. For you, answering the question must be avoided at all costs.
Well see, you DO have something in common with Buckley, I have no doubt there is a lot more to it.

How many times have you been asked now, and you have declined to answer? Six? Seven? More?
You keep forgetting who and what is the subject of the debate.



Confused about what? Or does custom dictate that you *always* argue by insisting on your conclusion instead of presenting premises that logically imply the conclusion?Sure, in the same sense that Coors is beer. But that doesn't mean that beer is Coors, does it (your cue to dodge again, I suppose)? You don't get to argue that beer is Coors just because Coors is beer. Got it?
Just because you change the order of the comparison does not make your argument valid, denying a minority a vote is NOT universal suffrage. I have no idea why this is so troublesome for a journalism grad.



Sure. But who's making that argument, in your opinion?
It isn't a matter of opinion:

"Denying universal suffrage isn't the same as denying blacks the vote."



You can't be serious.I can't say I'm surprised that you're repeating your conclusion yet again without the benefit of a supporting argument.
You supported it"

"Buckley provides an argument for denying universal suffrage".

LOL. I didn't say that. I said that denying universal suffrage is not denying black people the vote. Same as beer is not Coors. Do you get it yet?
You are still under the impression that your nonsensical word order argument is the subject of the debate. News Flash....it is not.



You're still routinely dodging questions and missing the point. I know where the definitions come from. Stop with the red herring fallacies and answer the questions.
Actually, I don't have to answer any of your tangents about what your definitions are, you are not nor are your questions the subject of the debate.


With your argument in its present state, Buckley stands accused of favoring white culture over black culture, and you've given this the name "racism" because "race" can mean a group holding certain things in common (such as culture). You also assert that this "racism" of Buckley's is an extremist position, implying that it is out of the mainstream to believe that some cultures are better than others. And for some reason(!) you will not answer whether you believe that some cultures are better than others.
No, you already acknowledged that Buckley equated culture with race:

I've shown how you manipulated the quotation by leaving out relevant material that shows that "advanced race" refers directly and only to the white culture of the time.

If the advanced race is white, then Buckley is clearly making a racist argument.

It really is not that difficult.
 
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I did answer the question.

No, you did not answer the question ("Are we pretending that the above represents the definition of "culture" or what?").

Who the **** cares, you did not write the article we are debating.

Apparently you care. You asked me to answer my question as to whether I think some cultures are better than others (and you haven't answered that question yet either). Am I supposed to get my answer to that question from Buckley ("You mean are some "races" better than others? Why don't you answer your own question?")?

You've dodged that question quite a few times, now. I answered it immediately when you asked it of me. What accounts for the difference?

Well see, you DO have something in common with Buckley, I have no doubt there is a lot more to it.

Okay, but aren't you the same guy who insists he answered a question he dodged and who apparently thinks I should go to Buckley's article in order to find out whether I think some cultures are better than others?

It isn't a matter of opinion:

"Denying universal suffrage isn't the same as denying blacks the vote."

You still don't understand that your reasoning is invalid, eh?

You supported it"

"Buckley provides an argument for denying universal suffrage".

I am sorry to have to break it to you, but repeating an invalid argument does not make it valid. If you added the true premise that denying universal suffrage equals racism then you've have an argument. But the premise won't work because (by analogy) beer isn't Coors.

I suspect you know nothing of the construction of deductive syllogisms.

You are still under the impression that your nonsensical word order argument is the subject of the debate. News Flash....it is not.

It's the key to understanding one of your fundamental errors. The sooner you get that through your head, the better. Beer isn't Coors even if Coors is beer. Don't fight it.

Actually, I don't have to answer any of your tangents about what your definitions are, you are not nor are your questions the subject of the debate.

I totally agree, with the caveat that I haven't asked any tangential questions about what my definitions are. I ask questions to fill in the blanks of the argument you don't know how to construct. Your refusal to answer simply leaves blanks in your argument. That's fine by me. You can show your argument is invalid by showing the lack of capacity for expressing it as a substitute for expressing it and letting me point out the obvious flaws.

I'll point out that I have predicted the outcome if you were ever induced to express your argument in full in either of two ways, both of which result in failure.

No, you already acknowledged that Buckley equated culture with race:

I've shown how you manipulated the quotation by leaving out relevant material that shows that "advanced race" refers directly and only to the white culture of the time.

I'll correct you on that yet again: Buckley used "white race" to refer to white culture (Coors is beer). He was not using "white culture" to refer to race (beer is Coors).

If the advanced race is white, then Buckley is clearly making a racist argument.

That could follow if beer is Coors (by analogy) and you get to switch out one definition of "racist" for another.

But it's an invalid argument because of the equivocation and ambiguity. To sustain validity in an argument the key terms are not allowed to drift in meaning. So if there is a "race" attached to culture it is not assumed that the "race" is identified by physical traits such as skin color. Instead, the "race" is identified by whatever aspects of the culture are held in common. That conception of "race" empties the term of its extremist implications (the ones found in racism based on physical characteristics). And that deflates, in turn, your argument that Buckley counts as an extremist.

With the argument you're trying to use, Buckley is a "racist" in the same way that pretty much everybody is counted as a racist these days. And when everyone is "racist" it isn't an extreme position.

It really is not that difficult.

It probably seems pretty easy if your thinking on it is shallow enough. That's the lure of the fallacies of ambiguity.

It's past time for you to concede.

http://cis01.central.ucv.ro/revistadestiintepolitice/files/numarul54_2017/11.pdf
 
I'll correct you on that yet again: Buckley used "white race" to refer to white culture (Coors is beer). He was not using "white culture" to refer to race (beer is Coors).[/url]
This is you not being able to correctly quote the article, let alone any of the points I have made, he equated the "advanced race" with "white culture". There is no dancing around this point, you acknowledged it before, and yet suddenly, the next day, you cannot accurately recall even this simple point.
 
This is you not being able to correctly quote the article, let alone any of the points I have made, he equated the "advanced race" with "white culture".

This is you trying to float your argument on a very minor debate point. Fine. "advanced race" is "Coors" instead of "white race" even though in terms of Buckley's article he means the white culture is the advance culture.

Its an extraordinarily disingenuous method to use a minor point like that to try to shoehorn in the idea that no part of your argument was refuted ("let alone any of the points I have made").

There is no dancing around this point, you acknowledged it before, and yet suddenly, the next day, you cannot accurately recall even this simple point.

And there you are mixing up two different points as though they're the same thing.

Physician, heal thyself.
 
This is you trying to float your argument on a very minor debate point. Fine. "advanced race" is "Coors" instead of "white race" even though in terms of Buckley's article he means the white culture is the advance culture....And there you are mixing up two different points as though they're the same thing.
It is not minor, it is the central comment he made that confirms whether what he wrote was racist, and again, you recognized it earlier:


I've shown how you manipulated the quotation by leaving out relevant material that shows that "advanced race" refers directly and only to the white culture of the time.
If the white race is the advanced race, then WFBJr was writing a racist article.
 
It is not minor, it is the central comment he made that confirms whether what he wrote was racist,

LMAO. So we're back to square one. The context of the article determines the meaning of the "central comment." Taking it out of context will result in fallacy and invalidate your argument. The preceding discussion makes it appear you have no answer for the problem, unless we count repetition of your unsupported conclusion.

and again, you recognized it earlier:

Your quotation of me certainly does not show that what Buckley wrote was racist. Rather, it shows that Buckley was not referring to the extremist notion of racism based on innate racial (genetic) characteristics. So, what else might you mean by "it"?

If the white race is the advanced race, then WFBJr was writing a racist article.

So you're saying that if the white culture (was) the advanced culture then Buckley was writing a racist article?

Why isn't the fallacy obvious to you? Are you a cultural relativist or something? Do you believe no culture is better than any other?

You want to keep paddling in this circle forever? Your "argument" is missing key premises. Supply them if you can. If not, answer my questions and I'll know how to supply them for you.
 

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