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Suspect in custody after shots fired at Indiana middle school[W:203]

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ElChupacabra said:
Or you're over simplifying the situation. Do you have children and practice homeschooling?
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Explain to me how I'm oversimplifying this?

I am a parent and no I did not himeschool. How that matters is beyond me. Can only gun owners talk about gun control? Can only people who served in the military have an opinion about war? See my point

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markjs said:
Sad, but since we've tried absolutely nothing, and can't, oh well, who really cares?

IMO< issue guns or kevlar or both to all students. dang.... Ain't no other solution wqill ever be enacted
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"Tried absolutely nothing"? There are thousands and thousands of gun laws on the books. How is that trying absutely nothing?
 
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OrphanSlug said:
Just about an everyday occurrence in Chicago, why are we not talking about that too?
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The topic and category is "school shootings", not "shootings".
 
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nota bene said:
Some private schools are prepared to meet the needs of special-needs students, but many are not. This was back in the "noughts" and is anecdotal, but after experimenting with both public and private schools, I discovered that my public school district was far better equipped to meet my son's needs.

https://www.understood.org/en/schoo...w-about-private-schools-and-special-education
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Well parents make a decision to send their kid to private school. If they have a kid with a special need or needs more attention, they can choose one that provides that.

I'm not saying public schools dont have special needs programs.
 
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PoliSciXtina said:
A lot of parents work till 6 or 7 pm and then their child goes to sleep at 8 pm. How will the parent fit in a whole day of school in just one hour, plus dinner and nightly routine? You have got to be kidding us!!!! UNREALISTIC and fantasy world!!!


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Im not kidding at all. Your making excuses trying to find a way to steer the conversation into there being only 1 narrow solution. People need to have less acess to guns. Anything other than that you all don't want to hear.

I don't dispute that homeschooling presents challenges but there are solutions

If the parent can't be there they can leave their child assignments to complete while they are at work
They can band together with a freind and have them administer the lessons
They can make use of the computer

There's alternatives that don't require packing your kid into a school like a sardine where they are a sitting duck for a mass shooter

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trouble13 said:
Are you seriously proposing we ban all guns, cause that ain't gonna happen either. Also what's with moving the goal posts from schools those other places. The topic is how to reduce school shootings and yes homeschooling would do that more than anything else that I can think of.

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Where in the world did I propose banning guns? I did not. In fact I do not support ANY gun bans whatsoever. Other countries have figured this out, and still have schools without shootings. There has to be another way. Problem is we continue to do nothing, and more nothing. Getting rid of our country’s entire public school system is not realistic. And something that is likely to never happen. And you know that.


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Lursa said:
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I've never heard they dont have programs for special needs. Do you have any sources for that?
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From pages 28 and 29 the following report:

NO. 12

NATIONAL CENTER FOR EDUCATION STATISTICS
Findings from
THE CONDITION OF EDUCATION 1997
PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS: HOW DO THEY DIFFER?


Public schools provide a wide array of academic support and health-related services.

Most support services are found more often in public than private schools. This may occur because private schools do not believe their students need these services or because they do not believe they can afford to provide them. In addition, private schools may meet the special needs of students without formal programs.
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Pages 28 and 29


https://nces.ed.gov/pubs97/97983.pdf
 
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ElChupacabra said:
I wouldn't be so quick to discount them as losers, and not because I'm defending people who carry these actions out in any way, but because the real issue is these are broken people and until we understand what's causing them to react this way we're only going to continue reacting to issue than attempting to solve it.
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Lursa said:
I keep asking how and why our society is creating these losers in increasing numbers. Now a valid question seems to be...why dont any of them go to private school OR what differences are private schools making?
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vegas giants said:
I am just asking if that is your plan. An entire nation of children that are homeschooled. Yes?
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Im not closed off to it but I would not say it's my plan. Is it your plan to add more restrictions on gun owners?

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minnie616 said:
From pages 28 and 29 the following report:

Public schools provide a wide array of academic support and health-related services.

Most support services are found more often in public than private schools. This may occur because private schools do not believe
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That really has nothing to do with what I'm asking. It certainly doesnt mean private schools dont provide those things and as I responded to Nota Bene, a parent can choose a private school that does have a program for their kid's needs or gives more attention.
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tres borrachos said:
School shootings are just about an everyday occurrence in Chicago? They aren't making the list of school shootings being tracked. When was the last school shooting in Chicago?
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Chomsky said:
The topic and category is "school shootings", not "shootings".
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So you guys are trying to tell me guns in schools all happens in a vacuum?

In all seriousness odds are we will end up talking about guns, not those doing the killing. And that means talking about guns period, you guys cannot decide when and when not guns applies to the debate just because a school shooting gets media attention and daily shootings/killings elsewhere usually does not.
 
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What a hopeless, discouraging experience it is to read this thread.
 
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Lursa said:
Unsurprisingly, your post is empty of value or fact.

You dont have to be rich to send your kids to private schools and many kids receive scholarships from churches and other organizations. Many middle & upper class people send their kids to private schools.
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Not surprisingly your head is empty of facts. The cost of private schooling can vary greatly depending on where you live. But there isn't anywhere where you could say that it's cheap.

https://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/articles/2015/02/03/can-i-afford-to-send-my-child-to-private-school

Sure as the Earth orbits the sun, private school will always be expensive. But if you want to send your kids to private school, and money is a concern, can you swing it and is it worth it?

Yes, no, maybe. Everyone is going to have opinions about whether private school is necessary, and how much is reasonable to spend on a child’s education – especially since tuition varies greatly depending on where you live. If you call Connecticut home, for instance, you'll pay an average annual tuition of $20,905 for your child to attend a private school, compared with $6,583 in Michigan, according to PrivateSchoolReview.com.

The Council for American Private Education reports that there are 30,861 private schools in the U.S. – and that number doesn’t include military or boarding schools (which can cost as much as $5,000 a month to $60,000 a year, respectively).
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minnie616 said:
When my oldest was in preschool she need speech classes. I looked into private schools but speech classes were not available so I was advised to move to the best public school district we could afford to live in. My third child had dyslexia so I looked for a private school that was within 50 miles that taught children with learning differences including dyslexia. Today that school costs about
$ 27,000 to $29,000for daytime classes , Monday to Friday.

Primary

$29,050

Grades 2-5

$27,050

Grades 6-8

$27,850

Grades 9-12

$29,050

https://www.etonacademy.org/page/admissions/tuition--financial-aid
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Lursa said:
Well parents make a decision to send their kid to private school. If they have a kid with a special need or needs more attention, they can choose one that provides that.

I'm not saying public schools dont have special needs programs.
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*IF* a parent wants to send their kid to private school...then it sounds like they can find one that will meet their kid's needs.

I'm asking why private schools dont have many of these shootings compared to public schools. It doesnt seem to be a lack of special programs since IF they're going to send their kid to private school, they can pick one appropriate for their kid's needs. And private schools are known for small class sizes and individualized attention.
 
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vegas giants said:
You want the entire country to homeschool their children. The largest death toll in a mass shooting came from a concert. Should we eliminate concerts? These are serious questions
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Your moving the goal posts. This topic is supposed to be about school shootings, and now you are broadening the conversation.

Concerts are not mandarory to attend. If you don't like the security in place I would recommend you skip that show. I stopped going to football game with my young son because I didn't feel like it was a safe environment for him to be at. That's what responsible parents do

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tres borrachos said:
a male student was in custody.

A male student at a middle school would be between 11 and 13 years old. Wat the everlasting ****?

Vice President Mike Pence tweeted, "Karen and I are praying for the victims of the terrible shooting in Indiana.

How wonderful. Look how well prayers are working, too.
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Their prayers stoped it from being worse...
 
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trouble13 said:
Im not closed off to it but I would not say it's my plan. Is it your plan to add more restrictions on gun owners?

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Yes that is what works all over the developed world
 
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OrphanSlug said:
Just about an everyday occurrence in Chicago, why are we not talking about that too?
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They are gang guys shooting each other...
 
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ElChupacabra said:
The broader question then becomes what happens when shooters then choose public spaces as well? I think you can see where this is going....
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And I can ask what happens when you ban all guns and people turn to arson or bombs

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Top Cat said:
But, but, but Obama is from there...
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Wrong! He is from Kenya...
 
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trouble13 said:
And I can ask what happens when you ban all guns and people turn to arson or bombs

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Ban fire...
 
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trouble13 said:
And I can ask what happens when you ban all guns and people turn to arson or bombs

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Well then we'll have to live in bunkers.
 
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PoliSciXtina said:
Where in the world did I propose banning guns? I did not. In fact I do not support ANY gun bans whatsoever. Other countries have figured this out, and still have schools without shootings. There has to be another way. Problem is we continue to do nothing, and more nothing. Getting rid of our country’s entire public school system is not realistic. And something that is likely to never happen. And you know that.


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What do you propose?

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OrphanSlug said:
So you guys are trying to tell me guns in schools all happens in a vacuum?

In all seriousness odds are we will end up talking about guns, not those doing the killing. And that means talking about guns period, you guys cannot decide when and when not guns applies to the debate just because a school shooting gets media attention and daily shootings/killings elsewhere usually does not.
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IMO it is indeed broader than schools. The POS losers doing these shootings all seem to have many of the same motivations and inabilities to deal with life: bitterness, resentment, blaming others for failures, jealousy, rejection, etc.

The non-school shootings just seem to be done by (mostly) older men.

The LV shooter is still rather a enigma.

We need to figure out how and why, we as a society, are creating an increasing number of these losers.
 
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Atomic Kid said:
Not surprisingly your head is empty of facts. The cost of private schooling can vary greatly depending on where you live. But there isn't anywhere where you could say that it's cheap.

https://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/articles/2015/02/03/can-i-afford-to-send-my-child-to-private-school
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And people living in middle and upper class neighborhoods have $$. $$ to send their kids to private schools if they choose.

Lursa said:
Alot of these shootings take place in mid to upper-class suburban {PUBLIC} schools...
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Your inability to connect the dots is very clear...you should not double-down on stupid stuff. It's very sad that I have to spell it out further AND use pretty colors to try and make it understandable for you.
 
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