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Kushner receives permanent sec. clearance, an indication he is no longer focus of special counsel

All this indicates is that there is enough distraction around for the Trump mafia to force through this without it becoming a story. The man lied on his papers which should automatically disqualify him.

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PeteEU said:
All this indicates is that there is enough distraction around for the Trump mafia to force through this without it becoming a story. The man lied on his papers which should automatically disqualify him.

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Maybe in Denmark but here in America we are exceptional liars, we practice a lot. Lately I have been annoyed with people who lie with there being no apparent reason, nothing to gain, no face to save, they just dont feel like being truthful today it seems, their fantasies are more fun maybe IDK.....
 
MrMike said:
Oh snap...

I guess that won't help the Liberal collusion narrative will it?

:lamo

Jared Kushner receives permanent security clearance, an indication he is no longer a focus of the special counsel

Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, was notified Wednesday that he has been granted a permanent security clearance to view top-secret material — an indication that he may no longer be under scrutiny by the special counsel, who had been investigating his foreign contacts and other activities.

Last month, Kushner sat for about six hours of questioning by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s team on a wide range of topics, including his meetings with foreign officials during Trump’s transition and Trump’s firing of FBI Director James B. Comey, according to Abbe Lowell, Kushner’s attorney.

The interview — his second session with the special counsel — came nearly a year after The Washington Post reported that investigators were examining contacts Kushner had with high-level Russians during the presidential transition.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...9d6d4814c4c_story.html?utm_term=.3f57934f22df
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I am just glad we can go back to trusting the FBI again -- for awhile there, I was thinking they were corrupt -- glad that is over
 
MrMike said:
You thought the entire FBI agency was corrupt? How sad...
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I thought the entire FBI agency as it pertains to all things Trump is corrupt -- because Trump said so.

If the FBI in some way recommended Kushner not be granted security clearance -- that would obviously be the corrupt side of the FBI trying to take down Trump.

Luckily the good side of the FBI prevailed.
 
Cardinal said:
Being cleared by the FBI wasn't in the article. Until somebody from the FBI publicly says that they cleared him to have a permanent security clearance, then I'll have to take the article at face value, which only states that the White House gave him the permanent security clearance. That the FBI cleared him is an assumption, not a fact, and it's based on tradition. And in case you haven't noticed the trend lately, trump doesn't lose a lot of sleep thinking about tradition.
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According to the NY Times Trump “was not involved in the process, according to the person briefed on the matter.”
 
hanger4 said:
According to the NY Times Trump “was not involved in the process, according to the person briefed on the matter.”
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I don't know that it's any use trying to convince the TDS crowd, unless you've got something REALLY rock solid - you know, like an unnamed source from Kiev. :lamo
 
post said:
You assume a lot about Mueller. Post an example of any target or subject (aside from Trump) of Mueller's investigation who did not plea to a charge in the process of learning anything of his particular level of jeopardy! The Mueller investigation is not in the clearance investigation process of the FBI and most certainly not in the clearance granting inside the White House.
The Mueller investigation is confidential. Only Trump, his parade of attornies and republican legislators have attempted to erode that confidentiality.
Kushner was a voracious consumer of classified info before the interruption of his temporary clearance. What is the actual further risk of Kushner having clearance, vs. letting the line out to let fish/Kushner run a while longer?
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The investigators who look into clearances process information and they operate under specific standards. They aren’t obligated to provide the information they find to Kushner or anyone else not involved in the process.

You don’t get a clearance if there is compromising information on you. As for you question as to what further the risk is, that just highlights how little you know about it. Access is a constant risk.
 
So the White House granted the President's son in law security clearance.

Um, yay? Not sure what reaction this is supposed to evoke.
 
Fishking said:
The investigators who look into clearances process information and they operate under specific standards. They aren’t obligated to provide the information they find to Kushner or anyone else not involved in the process.

You don’t get a clearance if there is compromising information on you. As for you question as to what further the risk is, that just highlights how little you know about it. Access is a constant risk.
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you do realize Hillary Clinton maintained her security clearance as well even AFTER her investigation right? So either what you just said above is BS or there was no compromising information on Hillary and she was well deserving of her clearance like Kushner is. Which one is it Fishking? :lamo
 
biff_poindexter said:
I thought the entire FBI agency as it pertains to all things Trump is corrupt -- because Trump said so.

If the FBI in some way recommended Kushner not be granted security clearance -- that would obviously be the corrupt side of the FBI trying to take down Trump.

Luckily the good side of the FBI prevailed.
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Well, thank you for that clarity of partisan dishonesty. Can you show (link) where Trump said the "entire" FBI agency was corrupt?

Please, go forth, find the direct quote. I'm interested to see it.
 
MrMike said:
Well, thank you for that clarity of partisan dishonesty. Can you show (link) where Trump said the "entire" FBI agency was corrupt?

Please, go forth, find the direct quote. I'm interested to see it.
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This is what will happen -- when I show you the numerous times he has attacked the FBI for being corrupt -- you are going to quickly unzip his pants and try to explain to all of us how he didn't mean "all of the FBI" -- but if any other president whose pants you don't unzip ever attacked the FBI the way Trump has -- I am sure you would have a problem with it -- but as long as you enjoy the taste
 
biff_poindexter said:
This is what will happen -- when I show you the numerous times he has attacked the FBI for being corrupt -- you are going to quickly unzip his pants and try to explain to all of us how he didn't mean "all of the FBI" -- but if any other president whose pants you don't unzip ever attacked the FBI the way Trump has -- I am sure you would have a problem with it -- but as long as you enjoy the taste
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Ahh... so in effect, you just made that "entire FBI is corrupt" thing up!

Thanks for admitting your dishonesty!

Have a nice day!

:peace
 
Praxas said:
you do realize Hillary Clinton maintained her security clearance as well even AFTER her investigation right? So either what you just said above is BS or there was no compromising information on Hillary and she was well deserving of her clearance like Kushner is. Which one is it Fishking? :lamo
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I understand that. I don’t think she was compromised but violated policy and procedures of accountability, record keeping, and handling of classified information to a degree which should have lost her clearance, which is a different thing.

I don’t think she was compromised either by foreign entities or by financial isssues, which is what is being talked about here.
 
Cardinal said:
So the White House granted Kushner a security clearance because they couldn't wait for him to be legitimately cleared.
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It's my understanding that prior to now, Kushner was operating under an interim security clearance. If that's the case, that's not something odd or something to berate or attack in a specific circumstance like this. For example, I myself worked my year of my employment under an interim clearance until I received a full clearance.

If I have misread and Kushner had some other form of temporary clearance, then that's on me. But if it's as I understand it, and he was on an interim, it's really not something to kind of speak of derisively or suggest is somehow not "legitimate".
 
Zyphlin said:
It's my understanding that prior to now, Kushner was operating under an interim security clearance. If that's the case, that's not something odd or something to berate or attack in a specific circumstance like this. For example, I myself worked my year of my employment under an interim clearance until I received a full clearance.

If I have misread and Kushner had some other form of temporary clearance, then that's on me. But if it's as I understand it, and he was on an interim, it's really not something to kind of speak of derisively or suggest is somehow not "legitimate".
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Bingo!
 
MrMike said:
So the FBI and Secret Service investigators who do background investigations are no longer legitimate to you?
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I think it's rather disingenuous to commingle his security clearance issues with any Mueller final determination.

I can't see Robert Mueller tipping his hand in such an amateurish fashion.
 
Rogue Valley said:
I think it's rather disingenuous to commingle his security clearance issues with any Mueller final determination.

I can't see Robert Mueller tipping his hand in such an amateurish fashion.
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I'd suggest you take that complaint up with CNN, NY Times, Washington Post, etc. They're the ones reporting it that way (see original link).
 
tres borrachos said:
So the White House granted the President's son in law security clearance.

Um, yay? Not sure what reaction this is supposed to evoke.
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The premise is that if the White House granted Kushner a permanent security clearance, then it can be reasonably inferred that he was cleared by the FBI and is not under investigation. This is a space-bendingly delusional assumption.
 
Cardinal said:
The premise is that if the White House granted Kushner a permanent security clearance, then it can be reasonably inferred that he was cleared by the FBI and is not under investigation. This is a space-bendingly delusional assumption.
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The NYT's and WaPo are space-bendingly delusional, who knew.
 
hanger4 said:
The NYT's and WaPo are space-bendingly delusional, who knew.
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You are of course free to cite the portion from the article stating that the FBI did in fact clear Kushner to receive the permanent security clearance.
 
Cardinal said:
You are of course free to cite the portion from the article stating that the FBI did in fact clear Kushner to receive the permanent security clearance.
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It is the NYT's and WaPo's opinion that Kushner is no longer a subject in an investigation. According to the NY Times which reports Trump “was not involved in the process, according to the person briefed on the matter.”

According to you NYT and WaPo are space-bendingly delusional.
 
hanger4 said:
It is the NYT's and WaPo's opinion that Kushner is no longer a subject in an investigation. According to the NY Times which reports Trump “was not involved in the process, according to the person briefed on the matter.”

According to you NYT and WaPo are space-bendingly delusional.
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In other words, you're unable to find a portion of the article claiming that the FBI cleared Kushner to receive the permanent security clearance. You found an inference that they may have, but not that they did.
 
Cardinal said:
On top of being the subject of an investigation, the idea that Jared would legitimately earn a permanent security clearance is laughable in the extreme.

He failed to disclose his foreign contacts and business conflicts or to properly complete his ethics filings. He had to update his security clearance application multiple times after failing to disclose connections with foreign officials and entities, including an attempt to set up a back-channel communication with the Kremlin. He was also fined for repeated failure to file ethics disclosures.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/politics/jared-kushner-background-check-form/index.html
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Unless we get a dictator, Kushner is not walking away from this without a criminal record.
 
Cardinal said:
In other words, you're unable to find a portion of the article claiming that the FBI cleared Kushner to receive the permanent security clearance. You found an inference that they may have, but not that they did.
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I was addressing this, your post;

Cardinal said:
The premise is that if the White House granted Kushner a permanent security clearance, then it can be reasonably inferred that he was cleared by the FBI and is not under investigation. This is a space-bendingly delusional assumption.
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Stop the diversion, or are you walking back your implying the NYT and WaPo are space-bendingly delusional ??
 
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