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Milwaukee police release ‘disturbing’ video of Bucks player’s arrest

Deuce said:
Once again right wingers fall over themselves to justify police brutality.
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Lol, what else do you expect from a guy who used a bible to justify his approval of torture?
 
Hatuey said:
I teach my kid that being out late, listening to loud music, in any parking lot doesn't justify getting tackled and tased.

Don't worry subtle man, we understand that it is 'thug culture' that is out late at night being loud in public places:

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:lol:
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What law did they break?
 
Deuce said:
Once again right wingers fall over themselves to justify police brutality.
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Once again Left wingers fall all over themselves to defend lawlessness.
 
poweRob said:
And if he didn't listen to you and he once did park in three spaces do you think he'd deserve this kind of treatment from the police?
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If you don't obey authority, you will be punished -- he isn't accomplished enough to win special treatment under the law

Now if he was a successful businessman; then yes, he wouldn't deserve this kind of treatment
 
poweRob said:
If the cops werent overzealous authoritarian dicks it wouldn't have happened.
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If Brown had just complied with the law, it wouldn't have happened.
 
apdst said:
If Brown had just complied with the law, it wouldn't have happened.
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If cops didn't escalate the situation it wouldn't have happened.

We can keep going around and around and we all know you will bow down to authority as cons always seem to do.
 
biff_poindexter said:
What law did they break?
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Finally.

You're moving your own goal posts and realizing that being out late at night, and being loud, intimidating is not the problem.You made it sound like this was about the culture, and what "the culture" was doing late at night. Come to find out that when some examples of whites being out late at night, and being intimidating were given, your real beef was with non-criminal traffic violations. Why didn't you say so? We could have avoided this awkward exchange.

If I am understanding your argument correctly: you are in the middle of a traffic violations (which, again, are not criminal offenses) you should not find tackling and tasing unexpected. Is that what you are getting at here?

Is that what we're supposed to get from you, subtle poster?
 
poweRob said:
If cops didn't escalate the situation it wouldn't have happened.

We can keep going around and around and we all know you will bow down to authority as cons always seem to do.
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Brown got the ball rolling from the start.

And you'll support lawlessness.
 
biff_poindexter said:
If you don't obey authority, you will be punished -- he isn't accomplished enough to win special treatment under the law

Now if he was a successful businessman; then yes, he wouldn't deserve this kind of treatment
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Okay... I see what you are doing now.
 
apdst said:
Brown got the ball rolling from the start.

And you'll support lawlessness.
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I support a nation of laws with proper response.

You'll support a Judge Dredd society.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
There were more taser deaths in 2017 than police shooting deaths. Tasing is a huge problem because the use of force rules around it are basically nonexistent versus using a firearm. Police aren't properly trained on them or don't care enough to realize that a taser is potentially just as dangerous as a firearm, and isn't something that should be used lightly. "At least they didn't shoot him" really isn't a good view to have given the lethality of tasers and how nonchalantly it was used in this instance (and many others).

Sterling might've been acting like an entitled asshole but that isn't illegal. It's the police's job to focus on de-escalation - they are (supposedly) trained to do it. There was absolutely no reason for this to escalate to the level that it did - it is solely due to the officers involved that it did.

The cop walked right up to the guy then told him to back up. He was escalating from the get go. He wanted to escalate. There's no reason the cop couldn't have backed up.
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Police do not de-escalate anything, and we should be well aware of that. They are more military than anything else, did you see the video of that Arizona cop (Philip Brailsford I believe)? Shot that kid dead. Was acquitted, because we don't hold cops responsible for their executions. Deven Guilford was shot by cops on a traffic stop as well, and that was escalated by the officer (who again was cleared of wrong doing, but the family did win over 2 million dollars in the lawsuit on that one). I would never trust a cop to try to deescalate anything. There are plenty of good cops, but when you have a random encounter with a cop, you don't know if you have the good one or the bad one.

And yes, less that lethal can be bad when used improperly. But we do need better, less than lethal tools for the police so they can turn to something other than a gun. I'm not opposed to proper training and tools for the police, in fact I think it is necessary and more should go into it.

That being said, the guy came up to the officer who asked him to step away, he didn't. He didn't take his hands out of his pockets when asked either. This situation was ultimately uncalled for and escalated too quickly. But had both sides been a bit more courteous and professional, it wouldn't have. The cops involved have reportedly been "disciplined" (though what that actually means, I don't think we know), Sterling should still get that ticket though.
 
Ikari said:
Police do not de-escalate anything, and we should be well aware of that. They are more military than anything else, did you see the video of that Arizona cop (Philip Brailsford I believe)? Shot that kid dead. Was acquitted, because we don't hold cops responsible for their executions. Deven Guilford was shot by cops on a traffic stop as well, and that was escalated by the officer (who again was cleared of wrong doing, but the family did win over 2 million dollars in the lawsuit on that one). I would never trust a cop to try to deescalate anything. There are plenty of good cops, but when you have a random encounter with a cop, you don't know if you have the good one or the bad one.

And yes, less that lethal can be bad when used improperly. But we do need better, less than lethal tools for the police so they can turn to something other than a gun. I'm not opposed to proper training and tools for the police, in fact I think it is necessary and more should go into it.

That being said, the guy came up to the officer who asked him to step away, he didn't. He didn't take his hands out of his pockets when asked either. This situation was ultimately uncalled for and escalated too quickly. But had both sides been a bit more courteous and professional, it wouldn't have. The cops involved have reportedly been "disciplined" (though what that actually means, I don't think we know), Sterling should still get that ticket though.
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We both have to be courteous and professional, when only one of us is on the job.

That make sense to you?
 
Hatuey said:
We both have to be courteous and professional, when only one of us is on the job.

That make sense to you?
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I think if people were more courteous and adult (how's that, like that better than "professional"?) in general, we could avoid a lot of confrontation, private and government. So when the officer asked him to back up, he should have. The cops shouldn't have been quick on the taze, and they're at fault for all of that. But this whole thing could have been avoided with proper courtesy and reason on both sides.
 
Ikari said:
That being said, the guy came up to the officer who asked him to step away, he didn't. He didn't take his hands out of his pockets when asked either. This situation was ultimately uncalled for and escalated too quickly. But had both sides been a bit more courteous and professional, it wouldn't have. The cops involved have reportedly been "disciplined" (though what that actually means, I don't think we know), Sterling should still get that ticket though.
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The cop walked up to the guy, then the cop asked him to back away. There was no reason for the cop to do that. There was no reason to be close enough to demand the guy back away. The cop instigated that by getting that close to him. He was clearly just trying to escalate. The pockets thing all you can see on the video is that the cop yelled at him to take his hands out of his pocket then immediately he got tackled. Then they tase him when he's on the ground with like five cops on top of him for basically no reason. He had his keys in his hand before that turning off the car alarm twice. It was clear he had his keys in his hand. There was no reason to suggest that he might have a weapon other than that he looked "thuggish" (black).

If I was in that parking lot parked like that, the cop would've just got in his car and wrote the ticket. This guy got tackled and tased because he looked "thuggish". Trust me I've dealt with the Milwaukee cops before, I've been in that exact parking lot. I've rented movies from that Redbox. The cops in Milwaukee are some of the most confrontational and racist that I've ever encountered or heard of. I have many stories of black friends who have had guns pulled on them by cops who were smiling that didn't get reported in the media. There's a reason there's been so much animosity of police in this city.
 
Ikari said:
I think if people were more courteous and professional (professional not just the sense of "on the job", but as grown, reasonable adults in a situation that doesn't need to be escalated) in general, we could avoid a lot of confrontation, private and government. So when the officer asked him to back up, he should have. The cops shouldn't have been quick on the taze, and they're at fault for all of that. But this whole thing could have been avoided with proper courtesy and professionalism on both sides.
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.... Here are the definitions of professional I am familiar with:

pro·fes·sion·al
prəˈfeSH(ə)n(ə)l/Submit
adjective
1.
relating to or connected with a profession.
"young professional people"
synonyms: white-collar, nonmanual
"people in professional occupations"
2.
(of a person) engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime.
"a professional boxer"
synonyms: paid, salaried
"a professional rugby player"
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Seems like if I call Sterling a professional, I am referring to his job as a basketball player, not a regular Joe Citizen trying to get to his car. That aside, what you seem to be saying is that if you come to question me about my property, and then you are told not to touch me, you then get to call up your friends, hold me down and tase me a little later; but I am expected to remain professional, even though you're later mocking the statements I gave you about who I was, etc and I wasn't on the job.

Seems legit.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
The cop walked up to the guy, then the cop asked him to back away. There was no reason for the cop to do that. There was no reason to be close enough to demand the guy back away. The cop instigated that by getting that close to him. He was clearly just trying to escalate. The pockets thing all you can see on the video is that the cop yelled at him to take his hands out of his pocket then immediately he got tackled. Then they tase him when he's on the ground with like five cops on top of him for basically no reason. He had his keys in his hand before that turning off the car alarm twice. It was clear he had his keys in his hand. There was no reason to suggest that he might have a weapon other than that he looked "thuggish" (black).

If I was in that parking lot parked like that, the cop would've just got in his car and wrote the ticket. This guy got tackled and tased because he looked "thuggish". Trust me I've dealt with the Milwaukee cops before, I've been in that exact parking lot. I've rented movies from that Redbox. The cops in Milwaukee are some of the most confrontational and racist that I've ever encountered or heard of. I have many stories of black friends who have had guns pulled on them by cops who were smiling that didn't get reported in the media. There's a reason there's been so much animosity of police in this city.
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They both walked up to the driver's side of the car together. The cop was likely getting plate information when Sterling came out, and they both walked up. So it wasn't quite like Sterling was standing still and the cop ran up and got in his face. The cop then asked him to back up.

As I said earlier, I didn't think they really gave him time to get his hands out of his pocket; at that point the situation had already escalated too far. It could have stopped before it got there if both Sterling and the cop were more courteous and reasonable. Sterling was upset because the cop touched him, the cop wanted Sterling to back away a little. Both should have acknowledged that and went forward.

Maybe it's as you say, that the cops there are overly aggressive. Certainly at the point they had him surrounded, it looked like the situation had been escalated past the tipping point. It shouldn't have gotten there. The initial cop was certainly combative from the get go "I own this" blah blah blah. But as I said, I don't trust police to deescalate anything, and when I have to deal with them (which is rare) that is my mindset. The cops supposedly got in trouble for this (I don't necessarily believe that), but I think if both sides were a little less combative, if both sides were a bit more courteous and reasonable, the entirety of this conflict could have been avoided.
 
apdst said:
Once again Left wingers fall all over themselves to defend lawlessness.
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Now if these officers were trying to get Brown to answer trap questions and he felt they had no right to ask him questions because it was all a witch-hunt -- then I will support his right to not answer any questions and attack those officers verbally if he needed to -- sometimes law enforcement agencies can be corrupt as Trump has elegantly pointed out.
 
biff_poindexter said:
Now if these officers were trying to get Brown to answer trap questions and he felt they had no right to ask him questions because it was all a witch-hunt -- then I will support his right to not answer any questions and attack those officers verbally if he needed to -- sometimes law enforcement agencies can be corrupt as Trump has elegantly pointed out.
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But there is nothing illegal about asking "trap questions". Is there? I bet you're one of those people who thinks cops are supposed to tell you that they're cops if undercover. Funny how you bowed out when asked if traffic violations warrant tasing and tackling of your kids, subtle poster.
 
Ikari said:
They both walked up to the driver's side of the car together. The cop was likely getting plate information when Sterling came out, and they both walked up. So it wasn't quite like Sterling was standing still and the cop ran up and got in his face. The cop then asked him to back up.
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Yes, he was walking toward Sterling. There was nothing behind him to prevent him from backing up. There's no reason for him to be that close to Sterling, then tell Sterling to back up. As he showed, the entire parking lot was empty. Sterling wasn't following him, he stood perfectly still after he stopped walking. There's no reason the cop had to put his hands on Sterling for no reason, or for him to stand there and demand Sterling back up. There's no reason Sterling had to back up other than this police officer getting close to him and telling him to for no reason at all. There's no legitimate basis for the cop to be telling Sterling to back up when he willingly walked into Sterling's personal space.

And the cop didn't "ask him to back up". He literally walked right up to Sterling, then pushed him and demanded he get back.

There's no reason the cop also wouldn't have let Sterling get into the car while he wrote the ticket. If the cop was serious about the ticket, he would know that he'd need Sterling's registration anyways which is usually in the glove compartment. He didn't care about the ticket. He called his buddies and attempted to detain Sterling outside of the vehicle because they wanted to peer through the windows to try to get him on a drug or weapons charge. Because he looked thuggish.

As I said earlier, I didn't think they really gave him time to get his hands out of his pocket; at that point the situation had already escalated too far. It could have stopped before it got there if both Sterling and the cop were more courteous and reasonable. Sterling was upset because the cop touched him, the cop wanted Sterling to back away a little. Both should have acknowledged that and went forward.
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Sterling has no obligation or need to be courteous and reasonable. There is no law being broken by being discourteous or unreasonable. And Sterling is rightly upset when he walks out of a Walgreen's and a cop walks straight up to him, shoves him, then demands he back up. That's messed up. And for what? Parking across two handicap spots in an empty parking lot.

Maybe it's as you say, that the cops there are overly aggressive. Certainly at the point they had him surrounded, it looked like the situation had been escalated past the tipping point. It shouldn't have gotten there. The initial cop was certainly combative from the get go "I own this" blah blah blah. But as I said, I don't trust police to deescalate anything, and when I have to deal with them (which is rare) that is my mindset. The cops supposedly got in trouble for this (I don't necessarily believe that), but I think if both sides were a little less combative, if both sides were a bit more courteous and reasonable, the entirety of this conflict could have been avoided.
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It shouldn't be the job of citizens going about their daily life to have to deescalate the police.
 
Winchester said:
I'm trying to get my head around what transpired between hey there is a car parked in 2 spots to 6 police officers being there.
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A negro got uppity and mouthy. What else?
 
Winchester said:
I'm trying to get my head around what transpired between hey there is a car parked in 2 spots to 6 police officers being there.
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The body cam footage shows the officer claiming to have accidentally called every car in the area over when he just wanted one. Why he even needed another officer there to write a ticket for illegally parking in handicap spots in an empty parking lot is the more concerning question (and something Sterling asked the officer in the footage).
 
Khayembii Communique said:
It shouldn't be the job of citizens going about their daily life to have to deescalate the police.
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Shouldn't...but here we are. And why is Sterling "rightly upset"? He parked across like 2 handicapped spots. There's no call to be "rightly upset" when breaking the law and then confronted by the cops.

And I don't understand why people are so hostile to a civil society. "There's no need to be courteous and reasonable". Well that's true, but being an asshole likely isn't going to promote a good ending.
 
JANFU said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-name_hp-breaking-news:page/breaking-news-bar


Earlier reports had the Mayor and Police Chief stating the video was disturbing
Thoughts are?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/us/sterling-brown-milwaukee-police-taser.html
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1. was Brown wrong for parking where and how he did?

2. why when wrong, do people have to try and make things worse?

take the ticket, keep your comments respective, and if you think you have a case, plead it in front of a judge
 
apdst said:
Brown was combative from the git-go. That will only end one way. He should have kept his yap shut, took the ticket and he could have gone on his merry way.
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Instead of backing up when asked, he got all huffy. No, it didn't have to escalate, but he should have backed up, produced his DL, and none of this would have happened. The officer didn't know who he was dealing with, didn't know what the guy was doing, or his intentions. The guy didn't back up when asked to. I don't know, I would have called for back up too.
Next time a person (black or white) is being asked to comply with a reasonable police request, ( Brown parked across the parking spots, one of them handicap), the person should comply.
 
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