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Trump lawyer 'paid by Ukraine' to arrange White House talks

If it's any consolation, Petro Poroshenko is every bit as corrupt as Donald Trump. Or is it the other way around?

They are both über-corrupt oligarch-presidents of their respective nations.
 
If it's any consolation, Petro Poroshenko is every bit as corrupt as Donald Trump. Or is it the other way around?

They are both über-corrupt oligarch-presidents of their respective nations.

We are renting Poroshenko and is anybody renting the flamin' hair, white eyed, redskin with the forked tongue?
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Nah, he's figured out how to get RNC people to step up, take responsibility for his "messes" and create a cover up concealing a bribe.

maybe someday they'll get better at it.
 
You do so hate it when the people rise up against Russian backed governments....

Absolutely incorrect and absolute nonsense. I truly like to see the "people" rise up against any scumbag gov't, but the CIA rose up against the Ukrainian people. A little $5 billion electioneering. Gee, is that like Russiagate? Pardon me, but the FBI, CIA, DOJ, Presidents, etc. say foreign intervention in elections is wrong/illegal/OK if they do it.???
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but the CIA rose up against the Ukrainian people.

That's CT. I was in Kyiv at the time. There were no CIA agents roaming the Maidan Nezalezhnosti.
 
That's CT. I was in Kyiv at the time. There were no CIA agents roaming the Maidan Nezalezhnosti.

What did you say the ladies name was delivering cookies/donuts to the Maidan crowk. Victoria who? Whazzat you say? On International TV, no less. You should have adjusted your blindfold.
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Lets be careful, this story could be another false source.

It's happened before and the media fell into the trap - remember the Deutsche bank subpoena? It is possible this story is a rumor with no basis, as it sounds remarkably stupid and illegal if it's true, so lets just sit back and see if other sources confirm the account.

Needless to say, if this is true its the most criminal incident found in the investigation yet.
 
Isn't that special? Trump only associates with the best people.

Something tells me that Michael Cohen is going down faster than Stormy Daniels in a bareback sex romp with Donald J. Trump.
That thought is going to prevent me from sleeping tonight. Poor woman.
 
That thought is going to prevent me from sleeping tonight. Poor woman.
Hey, at least she go to spank him, apparently that improves his behavior.
 
Absolutely incorrect and absolute nonsense. I truly like to see the "people" rise up against any scumbag gov't, but the CIA rose up against the Ukrainian people. A little $5 billion electioneering. Gee, is that like Russiagate? Pardon me, but the FBI, CIA, DOJ, Presidents, etc. say foreign intervention in elections is wrong/illegal/OK if they do it.???
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The Ukrainian people rose up. Face it.

Just as the Libyans.

Just as the Syrians.

Just as the Egyptians.
 
What did you say the ladies name was delivering cookies/donuts to the Maidan crowk. Victoria who? Whazzat you say? On International TV, no less. You should have adjusted your blindfold.
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So, a person on the streets of Ukraine vs. DaveFagan....

Who to believe?
 
Well since Ukraine is an enemy of Russia I guess it evens out with the Russian collusion stuff, right? :2razz:
As silly as that is, some might find it a compelling argument.
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This is a purely rhetorical question, but how is this ****ing ****bag still President?

Because Americans are still really, really, really pissed at "The Establishment"

We elected Trump out of spite.

We have spite we haven't spent yet.
 
Because Americans are still really, really, really pissed at "The Establishment"

We elected Trump out of spite.

We have spite we haven't spent yet.

Well, they could have, oh I don't know, voted for better candidates who had positions that were actually beneficial to them.

But no, way easier to burn it all down instead.
 
The Ukrainian people rose up. Face it.

Just as the Libyans.

Just as the Syrians.

Just as the Egyptians.

Syria: Quote US Ambassador to Syria:
"US Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford, who worked closely with Okaidi, himself admitted to giving material support to ISIS and al-Nusra, stating that he “absolutely does not deny” knowing that most of the rebels he backed fought alongside ISIS and Nusra.[2]
The reason for all of this is simply that, as pointed out by the leading Western journalist in the region, Patrick Cockburn, “In reality, there is no dividing wall between them [ISIS and Nusra] and America’s supposedly moderate opposition allies.” According to Vice President Biden, “there was no moderate middle because the moderate middle are made up of shopkeepers, not soldiers.”[3]

This means that apart from a plethora of substantially foreign terrorist jihadi lunatics, there is no other force willing to fight against the government.

One of the FSA commanders, Bassel Idriss, has also admitted to openly collaborating with ISIS and al-Nusra, revealing yet another example of the fact that the “moderate rebels” are not moderate at all.

In an interview with the Daily Star of Lebanon, Idriss stated “We are collaborating with the Islamic State and the Nusra Front by attacking the Syrian Army’s gatherings in . . . Qalamoun . . . Let’s face it: The Nusra Front is the biggest power present right now in Qalamoun and we as FSA would collaborate on any mission they launch as long as it coincides with our values.”

Idriss also admitted that many FSA fighters had pledged allegiance to ISIS. He said, “[ISIS] wanted to enhance its presence in the Western Qalamoun area. After the fall of Yabroud and the FSA’s retreat into the hills [around Arsal], many units pledged allegiance [to ISIS]”.

Abu Fidaa, a retired Syrian Army Colonel who is now a part of the Revolutionary Council in the Qalamoun, corroborated Idrisss’ statements by saying that “A very large number of FSA members [in Arsal] have joined ISIS and Nusra. In the end, people want to eat, they want to live, and the Islamic State has everything.”

Salem Idriss, one of the men seen in the famous photograph with John McCain, is the commander of the FSA, the “opposition group” touted as a “moderate rebels.” In reality, of course, the FSA is nothing of the sort. As Daniel Wagner wrote for the Huffington Post in December, 2012,

In the outskirts of Aleppo, the FSA has implemented a Sharia law enforcement police force that is a replica of the Wahhabi police in Saudi Arabia — forcing ordinary citizens to abide by the Sharia code. This is being done in a secular country which has never known Sharia Law. This type of action is currently also being implemented in northern Mali, where the West has officially declared its opposition to the al-Qaeda government that took control earlier this year. If what is happening near Aleppo is representative of what may happen if the FSA assumes control of Syria, the country may become an Islamic state. Is that really what the U.S. and other Western countries are intending to tacitly support?

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Indeed, the FSA has also been targeting the infrastructure of the country. One of the main power plants in Damascus was knocked out for three days last week, impacting 40 percent of the city’s residents. Do ‘freedom fighters’ typically attack critical infrastructure that impacts ordinary citizens on a mass scale? The FSA long ago stopped targeting solely government and military targets.
The FSA is no stranger to atrocities. The FSA is the “moderate opposition” that was filmed forcing a young child to behead a Syrian soldier. It is also the “moderate opposition” that maintained “burial brigades,” a system of mass murder and mass executions against soldiers and those who support the Syrian government. The burial brigades were only one small part of a much wider campaign of terror and executions implemented by the Free Syrian Army.

Of course, the Free Syrian Army is merely the umbrella group of death squads carefully crafted to present a “moderate” face on what is, in reality, nothing more than savage terrorists. Thus, the FSA encompasses(d) a number of smaller “brigades” of al-Qaeda terrorists in order to cover up the true nature of its own ranks.

One such brigade was the Farouq brigade, to which Abu Sakkar was a member. Sakkar, also seen in photographs with John McCain, was the famous rebel videotaped cutting the heart out of a Syrian soldier and biting into it."
 
Syria: Quote US Ambassador to Syria:
"US Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford, who worked closely with Okaidi, himself admitted to giving material support to ISIS and al-Nusra, stating that he “absolutely does not deny” knowing that most of the rebels he backed fought alongside ISIS and Nusra.[2]
The reason for all of this is simply that, as pointed out by the leading Western journalist in the region, Patrick Cockburn, “In reality, there is no dividing wall between them [ISIS and Nusra] and America’s supposedly moderate opposition allies.” According to Vice President Biden, “there was no moderate middle because the moderate middle are made up of shopkeepers, not soldiers.”[3]

This means that apart from a plethora of substantially foreign terrorist jihadi lunatics, there is no other force willing to fight against the government.

One of the FSA commanders, Bassel Idriss, has also admitted to openly collaborating with ISIS and al-Nusra, revealing yet another example of the fact that the “moderate rebels” are not moderate at all.

In an interview with the Daily Star of Lebanon, Idriss stated “We are collaborating with the Islamic State and the Nusra Front by attacking the Syrian Army’s gatherings in . . . Qalamoun . . . Let’s face it: The Nusra Front is the biggest power present right now in Qalamoun and we as FSA would collaborate on any mission they launch as long as it coincides with our values.”

Idriss also admitted that many FSA fighters had pledged allegiance to ISIS. He said, “[ISIS] wanted to enhance its presence in the Western Qalamoun area. After the fall of Yabroud and the FSA’s retreat into the hills [around Arsal], many units pledged allegiance [to ISIS]”.

Abu Fidaa, a retired Syrian Army Colonel who is now a part of the Revolutionary Council in the Qalamoun, corroborated Idrisss’ statements by saying that “A very large number of FSA members [in Arsal] have joined ISIS and Nusra. In the end, people want to eat, they want to live, and the Islamic State has everything.”

Salem Idriss, one of the men seen in the famous photograph with John McCain, is the commander of the FSA, the “opposition group” touted as a “moderate rebels.” In reality, of course, the FSA is nothing of the sort. As Daniel Wagner wrote for the Huffington Post in December, 2012,

In the outskirts of Aleppo, the FSA has implemented a Sharia law enforcement police force that is a replica of the Wahhabi police in Saudi Arabia — forcing ordinary citizens to abide by the Sharia code. This is being done in a secular country which has never known Sharia Law. This type of action is currently also being implemented in northern Mali, where the West has officially declared its opposition to the al-Qaeda government that took control earlier this year. If what is happening near Aleppo is representative of what may happen if the FSA assumes control of Syria, the country may become an Islamic state. Is that really what the U.S. and other Western countries are intending to tacitly support?

….

Indeed, the FSA has also been targeting the infrastructure of the country. One of the main power plants in Damascus was knocked out for three days last week, impacting 40 percent of the city’s residents. Do ‘freedom fighters’ typically attack critical infrastructure that impacts ordinary citizens on a mass scale? The FSA long ago stopped targeting solely government and military targets.
The FSA is no stranger to atrocities. The FSA is the “moderate opposition” that was filmed forcing a young child to behead a Syrian soldier. It is also the “moderate opposition” that maintained “burial brigades,” a system of mass murder and mass executions against soldiers and those who support the Syrian government. The burial brigades were only one small part of a much wider campaign of terror and executions implemented by the Free Syrian Army.

Of course, the Free Syrian Army is merely the umbrella group of death squads carefully crafted to present a “moderate” face on what is, in reality, nothing more than savage terrorists. Thus, the FSA encompasses(d) a number of smaller “brigades” of al-Qaeda terrorists in order to cover up the true nature of its own ranks.

One such brigade was the Farouq brigade, to which Abu Sakkar was a member. Sakkar, also seen in photographs with John McCain, was the famous rebel videotaped cutting the heart out of a Syrian soldier and biting into it."

Another long rambling post that has little to do with the fact you hate it when despots and corrupt governments are deposed....

Oh, and nice RT spin... Everybody is a terrorist except the dictator who gasses his own people...
 
So, a person on the streets of Ukraine vs. DaveFagan....

Who to believe?

Victoria Nuland, US Ambassador to Ukraine, and the embassy was the HQ and operating front for Maidan protestors. Protestors and Berkut Police shot by Parubiy led Georgian snipers supplied by Saakashvili (US toadie fugitive from Georgia), firing from Hotel Ukrana.
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Victoria Nuland, US Ambassador to Ukraine, and the embassy was the HQ and operating front for Maidan protestors. Protestors and Berkut Police shot by Parubiy led Georgian snipers supplied by Saakashvili (US toadie fugitive from Georgia), firing from Hotel Ukrana.
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Got RT?

You do...

All those CLAIMS.... But I see little in the way of Citation.
 
Payment to Cohen. Meeting with POTUS. Cooperation with Mueller stopped.

Quid. Pro. Quo.
 
Another long rambling post that has little to do with the fact you hate it when despots and corrupt governments are deposed....

Oh, and nice RT spin... Everybody is a terrorist except the dictator who gasses his own people...

You just can't stand to admit the truth that your mind is a craftilly manipulated narrative built by the MSM. Your World of Imagery comes apart a little more each time you must acknowledge the real world truth. Truly cathartctic for the brain dead. //
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You just can't stand to admit the truth that your mind is a craftilly manipulated narrative built by the MSM. Your World of Imagery comes apart a little more each time you must acknowledge the real world truth. Truly cathartctic for the brain dead. //
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Blah blah MSM blah blah...

Have you even been introduced to reality?
 
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