Clapper: Ryan and McConnell didn't care about election interference as long as Trump won

Atomic Kid said:

I'm sorry but that is gross exaggeration. The same rules and laws apply to everybody. If Mr. Trump shouted; "Lock her up!" because he believed Hillary committed crimes and then it becomes found that he has committed the same types of crimes if not worse? Shouldn't he be "locked up" then? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

No one is saying that Trump wasn't duly elected. The election results were certified and he's the President. But he could have taken a better tact when he was briefed about the Russian operation. He could have accepted their finding and maintain his innocence and say he wasn't aware of any coordination between the Russians and his campaign and if it turns out that anyone in his campaign did that they will be dealt with accordingly. And then say; 'Okay what do we do about this so that we can ensure that this never happens again?' But that's not we got. Instead he made it all about him. The egomaniac in him didn't want to believe or accept that this may have happened. He cared far more about the image of his 'great victory' being even just slightly tainted or diminished in any way whatsoever then what the implications or the future dangers of the Russian interference campaign could be for our country down the road. And if it turns out that this is all it really is. Then we have the makings of a real life Greek tragedy here, because it didn't have to go this way.

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tres borrachos said:

That's because you lack the ability to understand my posts, and read them without looking for "She's criticizing my hero Trump again!".

You supported a lifelong Democrat. Not me. That's your shame. Own it.

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Atomic Kid said:

Clapper answered to the best of his ability to be able to do so. I think that and being respectful to the Senator is what would be expected of him in that setting and the Senator is entitled to his opinion but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's right. Others of high import have expressed opinions that are contrary to that of the Senator.

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Cardinal said:

That is literally the opposite conclusion of Obama's decision.

If he had pressed the interference issue more vocally and Clinton had won, she would be considered an illegitimate President to this day.

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OpportunityCost said:

FFS they hid it from him and only revealed part of it solely to give CNN a hook to report on it. If an investigation is concealed I can see why he would present opposition to it.

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Atomic Kid said:

Speaking of exaggeration. They didn't hide anything. Once he became the President elect he was then entitled to receive a full intelligence and national security briefing and they gave it to him.

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hanger4 said:

Clapper wasn't expressing his opinion, he knows full well what Prism is.

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OpportunityCost said:

Actually, they didnt. You may want to review the last memo Rice drafted before Obama left office.

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hanger4 said:

In your opinion.

Right, the Ruskies were helping Trump, Trump lost and Hillary is considered illegitimate. All that would have shown is HRC's candidacy was stronger than Trump and the Ruskies. You didn't think that through.

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WikiLeaks didn’t write again until Election Day, November 8, 2016. “Hi Don if your father ‘loses’ we think it is much more interesting if he DOES NOT conceed [sic] and spends time CHALLENGING the media and other types of rigging that occurred—as he has implied that he might do,” WikiLeaks wrote at 6:35pm, when the idea that Clinton would win was still the prevailing conventional wisdom.

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Atomic Kid said:

Hmmm. Another case of conservative selective memory disease. Somehow you seem to have forgotten all the references Trump made about the system being "rigged" and "Crooked Hillary". Wikileaks sure as hell remembered them though. Checkout this email they sent to Don Jr.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/

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Atomic Kid said:

I have and that could be a subject for whole other thread and also I understand why she did so.

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tres borrachos said:

Not at all surprising that you don't know I've been a Republican longer than Trump's children have been alive. It doesn't fit into your talking points.

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PoliSciXtina said:

Apparently, if you dislike trump on this forum, you can’t possibly be a republican. I have been getting ridiculed from another poster because he can’t comprehend how I once was a registered republican and despise trump. I can’t be a moderate either because I occasionally watch MSNBC and read the NYT. Laughable. You’re exactly right- doesn’t fit into their talking points.


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tres borrachos said:

I've been posting here for 6 years. Everyone who was here that entire time knows I'm a Republican. What I'm not (and never will be) is a Trump devotee, for many reasons.

The citizens of Trump Fan Nation are just so brainwashed by their hero that they don't even understand what they're saying anymore. I just point at them and laugh, and thank my lucky stars that I was too smart to fall for the bull**** of Trump.

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tres borrachos said:

I've been posting here for 6 years. Everyone who was here that entire time knows I'm a Republican. What I'm not (and never will be) is a Trump devotee, for many reasons.

The citizens of Trump Fan Nation are just so brainwashed by their hero that they don't even understand what they're saying anymore. I just point at them and laugh, and thank my lucky stars that I was too smart to fall for the bull**** of Trump.

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Atomic Kid said:

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/388803-clapper-ryan-and-mcconnell-didnt-care-about-election-interference-as


Some here have wondered why Obama wasn't more aggressive in calling out the Russians upon receiving the intel of the ongoing Russian election interference operation. His explanation was that he didn't want to appear as to be putting his thumb on the scale of a national election by making a unilateral public accusation or warning to Russia. He instead called together leaders of both parties to implore them to makes a joint bipartisan statement about it that would alleviate any accusations of political bias in making such announcement to the American people. But alas as we see that was not to be and Obama felt it would not be proper to make this public just before an election. I would really have to wonder if the roles were reversed if a Republican President such as Trump would have put those same ethics ahead of his party's own political self-interest. Somehow I doubt that they would have.

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Atomic Kid said:

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/388803-clapper-ryan-and-mcconnell-didnt-care-about-election-interference-as


Some here have wondered why Obama wasn't more aggressive in calling out the Russians upon receiving the intel of the ongoing Russian election interference operation. His explanation was that he didn't want to appear as to be putting his thumb on the scale of a national election by making a unilateral public accusation or warning to Russia. He instead called together leaders of both parties to implore them to makes a joint bipartisan statement about it that would alleviate any accusations of political bias in making such announcement to the American people. But alas as we see that was not to be and Obama felt it would not be proper to make this public just before an election. I would really have to wonder if the roles were reversed if a Republican President such as Trump would have put those same ethics ahead of his party's own political self-interest. Somehow I doubt that they would have.

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OpportunityCost said:

There is no legitimate, constitutional reason for her to do so which is why the memo was a last minute CYA and threw Obama under the proverbial bus. She knew doing that was wrong. She covered herself.

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Atomic Kid said:

There was a very good reason for doing it and if anything it was done in an effort to protect this country and it's constitution.

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OpportunityCost said:

Bull**** it was purely political to interfere in a legitimate transition. Why do you think she waited until she couldn't be fired to draft it?

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Atomic Kid said:

BS. It was to memorialize it and to ensure that the meeting and it's subject matter and the President's directives will remain a part of the permanent record no matter what else anyone does after they leave. Think of it as being her version of a Comey note/memo.

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