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DOJ, Trump strike murky deal in FBI informant spat

Khayembii Communique said:
What happens when you out an informant? Other informants won't trust you.

What happens when you leak information informants have provided? Other informants won't be as forthcoming with providing information.

There's no reason for congress or Trump's legal team (WTF) to have access to this information.
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But the FBI or no other entity should have license to abuse their authority or commit other illegal activities, most especially concerning U.S. citizens, under the guise of 'confidentiality' or 'protecting the identity of informants.'
 
Lutherf said:
I'd suggest that, under the circumstances, it looks like the intelligence community was HIGHLY politicized under previous administrations (perhaps not just the last one) and that some serious house cleaning is in order.
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Based on what evidence do you make this claim that previous administrations made them HIGHLY politicized?
 
tres borrachos said:
He should protect his informants. He's the FBI Director. If he allows the President to do this unfettered, he's corrupt.
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The very idea that the person who is the obvious main target of the investigation would micro manage his own potential prosecution is so blatantly absurd that it is full blown crazy and turns the idea of 'no man is above the law' on its head.

How the Trumpkins can support this is beyond me.
 
JANFU said:
The Intel was there- McConnell had it, could ask whatever he wanted, had anything verified, and as we saw, the Senate Committee stated the Russian interfered.
It was all there, and McConnell refused to act. Plain and simple placed the election of Republicans over a foreign threat.
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If they already had everything they needed at that time then why is Mueller still doing his thing?
 
VanceMack said:
Its comical watching these people flopping around so far from water.

There was no wiretaps! They never spied on them! SO what if they spied on them? So what if they DID record conversations. It was for their own protection. SO what if the FBI used fabricated evidence and lied to a judge to gain warrants to spy on them. SO what if FBI agents have lied about their role? SO WHAT if they unmasked information on American citizens for political purposes. SO what if FBI agents texts have been disclosed showing them conspiring to overthrow the results of a democratic election? SO what if Obama people were distributing copies of unmasked info to the Clinton campaign or of Clinton campaign people are on video admitting they leaked classified material they should never have had. SO WHAT? None of the corrupt **** the left did matters because TRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!

The depths.......
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Excuse me. You are being very loose about what you are asserting. Nobody EVER said they never wiretapped anyone. Trump claimed that HE was wiretapped. He was not. There was no fabricated evidence. The FISA warrant was attained using the same standards as other FISA warrants. The FBI did not lie. The didn't unmask any information "for political purposes." I suggest that you go cold turkey listening to right-wing radio. It poisons your mind.

This was a legitimate investigation based upon solid leads. Trump is being Trump by attacking the investigators when he knows he's in deep do-do. Of course, his mindless army of zombies backs the word of a notorious liar.

Moreover, never before has the target of an investigation been given the right to look at what informants said about them before trial.
 
VanceMack said:
Its comical watching these people flopping around so far from water.

There was no wiretaps! They never spied on them! SO what if they spied on them? So what if they DID record conversations. It was for their own protection. SO what if the FBI used fabricated evidence and lied to a judge to gain warrants to spy on them. SO what if FBI agents have lied about their role? SO WHAT if they unmasked information on American citizens for political purposes. SO what if FBI agents texts have been disclosed showing them conspiring to overthrow the results of a democratic election? SO what if Obama people were distributing copies of unmasked info to the Clinton campaign or of Clinton campaign people are on video admitting they leaked classified material they should never have had. SO WHAT? None of the corrupt **** the left did matters because TRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!

The depths.......
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Here's another...
Oh but the FBI will never be able to get informants to work for them again if they going to get outed. :doh
 
JANFU said:
Yes Luther you are indeed correct, when McConnell refused to endorse the WH press release on Russian interference
So yes the Republicans politicized the Russian interference for Party over country, and refused to act and inform the public.
Ya did not see any leaks prior to the election from the WH on this, now did you
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...bipartisan-statement-on-russian-interference?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/national-security/obama-putin-election-hacking/
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Oh stop, the only reason the BHO admin wanted a bipartisan statement was because they didn't do enough to thwart the threat and didn't want their lack of action to be used a bludgeon in the upcoming elections. Same as the 'video made em do it' BS about Benghazi.
 
haymarket said:
The very idea that the person who is the obvious main target of the investigation would micro manage his own potential prosecution is so blatantly absurd that it is full blown crazy and turns the idea of 'no man is above the law' on its head.

How the Trumpkins can support this is beyond me.
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If the President is the main target of the investigation, I'm pretty darn sure that was not in the instructions given to him by the Deputy A.G. And the former FBI Director and the special counsel have both lied to him that he was not the target of the investigation.
 
JANFU said:
Sad to say that at this date it is going downhill, and a long way before it hits bottom
The repercussions from Mueller's investigation will make the Pentagon Papers look like child's play. And in that report the utter corruption that is allowed to happen, regardless of Party is disgusting and the people will not be happy or easily placated with BS promises.
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Why bother with that pesky constitutionally mandated congressional oversight bull**** let the FBI do whatever it wants. Right?
 
JANFU said:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/21/trump-justice-department-fbi-informant-601572


With this, no doubt leaks will occur

Next- Confidential sources for FBI/CIA will no longer believe their identity can be protected.
This not only impact the CI, it affects their family and anyone who had contacts with them
The long term downside of this will be felt for decades
Cue the Spanksters, we have a right to know.
No you do not


https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/21/...oming-from-outside-the-white-house/index.html



https://nypost.com/2018/05/21/white-house-justice-department-to-investigate-fbis-russia-probe/
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Especially if they're involved in illegal activities intended to undermine a legitimately elected president.

I have zero sympathy for Halper. He's in on the coup and should go to jail just like the rest of them should.
 
someone has already brought up Benghazi. i picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.
 
JANFU said:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/21/trump-justice-department-fbi-informant-601572


With this, no doubt leaks will occur

Next- Confidential sources for FBI/CIA will no longer believe their identity can be protected.
This not only impact the CI, it affects their family and anyone who had contacts with them
The long term downside of this will be felt for decades
Cue the Spanksters, we have a right to know.
No you do not


https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/21/...oming-from-outside-the-white-house/index.html



https://nypost.com/2018/05/21/white-house-justice-department-to-investigate-fbis-russia-probe/
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Oh look, I was right.

Cardinal said:
Anyone who thinks Trump will lose something or that this will backfire on him has not absorbed the full weight of this story and is in denial about how trump will conduct himself after this day. Trump demanded the DOJ investigate his political rivals and an investigation into himself in order to undermine it, and he instantaneously got nearly all of what he wanted.

The system is failing.
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Cardinal said:
I bolded the part of your post I take particular issue with. Trump just got a shiny new toy today. Do you really think he's going to wait until after the IG's investigation is completed before playing with it again?
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JANFU said:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/21/trump-justice-department-fbi-informant-601572


With this, no doubt leaks will occur

Next- Confidential sources for FBI/CIA will no longer believe their identity can be protected.
This not only impact the CI, it affects their family and anyone who had contacts with them
The long term downside of this will be felt for decades
Cue the Spanksters, we have a right to know.
No you do not


https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/21/...oming-from-outside-the-white-house/index.html



https://nypost.com/2018/05/21/white-house-justice-department-to-investigate-fbis-russia-probe/
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The ultimate sadness behind this story is that some congressional members should know what's happening, but none of them can be trusted.
 
AlbqOwl said:
But the FBI or no other entity should have license to abuse their authority or commit other illegal activities, most especially concerning U.S. citizens, under the guise of 'confidentiality' or 'protecting the identity of informants.'
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First, there is no evidence that any of that happened.

Second, that is why the OIG exists.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
What happens when you out an informant? Other informants won't trust you.

What happens when you leak information informants have provided? Other informants won't be as forthcoming with providing information.

There's no reason for congress or Trump's legal team (WTF) to have access to this information.
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The FBI isn't immune from oversight. They are accountable to our elected representives.
 
JANFU said:
Mueller's team has been tighter that a virgin for leaks.
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How tight is a virgin? Just a few leaks about the Mueller investigation.

1. Mueller OK’d to probe Manafort-Russia collusion allegations (June 3, 2017)
https://www.apnews.com/c8d36e8b0b5c42a2a1e43bf43c6507d7

2. Sources say Trump-Russia investigators are seeking Paul Manafort's cooperation (July 22, 2017)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...gators-are-seeking-paul-manaforts-cooperation

3. Special Counsel Robert Mueller Impanels Washington Grand Jury in Russia Probe (August 3, 2017)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/specia...hington-grand-jury-in-russia-probe-1501788287

4. FBI conducted predawn raid of former Trump campaign chairman Manafort’s home (August 9, 2017)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.75cc85fde554

5. Special Counsel Examines Possible Role Flynn Played in Seeking Clinton Emails From Hackers (August 25, 2017)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/specia...eeking-clinton-emails-from-hackers-1503694304

6. Mueller Team Asking if Trump Tried to Hide Purpose of Trump Tower Meeting (August 28, 2017)
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-trump-tried-hide-purpose-trump-tower-n796746

7. Mueller Has Early Draft of Trump Letter Giving Reasons for Firing Comey (September 1, 2017)
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/01/us/politics/trump-comey-firing-letter.html

8. Manafort offered to give Russian billionaire ‘private briefings’ on 2016 campaign (September 20, 2017)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...d975285475e_story.html?utm_term=.c89b2d6c448d

9. 'Trump dossier' on Russia links now part of special counsel's probe: sources (October 4, 2017)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-special-counsels-probe-sources-idUSKBN1C92WN

10. First on CNN: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (October 27, 2017)
https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politics/first-charges-mueller-investigation/index.html

11. Mueller Has Enough Evidence to Bring Charges in Flynn Investigation (November 5, 2017)
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ynn-investigation-n817666?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

12. Special Counsel Mueller Issued Subpoena for Russia-Related Documents From Trump Campaign Officials (November 16, 2017)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/specia...ign-officials-1510875492?ns=prod/accounts-wsj

13.Russia probe grand jury looks like ‘a Black Lives Matter rally,’ says witness (January 2, 2018)
https://pagesix.com/2018/01/02/russ...like-a-black-lives-matter-rally-says-witness/

14. Exclusive: A top Trump campaign adviser close to plea deal with Mueller (February 17, 2018)
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/rick-gates-plea-deal-mueller-russia-investigation/index.html

15. Mueller team asks about Trump's Russian business dealings as he weighed a run for president (February 27, 2018)
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/27/politics/trump-russia-investigation/index.html

16. Mueller team asking if Kushner foreign business ties influenced Trump policy (March 2, 2018)
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...oreign-business-ties-influenced-trump-n852681

17. NYT: Mueller's team investigating possible UAE efforts to buy political influence (March 3, 2018)
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/03/politics/robert-mueller-george-nader-uae/index.html

18. Mueller Subpoenas Trump Organization, Demanding Documents About Russia (March 15, 2018)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/us/politics/trump-organization-subpoena-mueller-russia.html

19. FBI raids office of Trump’s longtime lawyer (April 9, 2018)
https://nypost.com/2018/04/09/fbi-raids-office-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer/

She ain't no virgin.
 
JANFU said:
Some will condemn Rosenstein for permitting this and others things such as the IG investigation, releasing documents to Congress.
I think he is playing for time to permit Mueller to finish all or most of his investigation.
The IG investigation could take 3-4 months.
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I agree with you. I think that in a vacuum Rosenstein is doing the wrong thing. He shouldn't cave to a corrupt congress and an evil president. If he doesn't, though, this ****ing moron is bound to destroy the entire country. Better to give the baby a bottle and just hurry along to Mueller's findings and the midterm elections.
 
So the President is taking over an investigation into himself. I can't see how this could go wrong.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump/Wray/Sessions just ruined any DoJ enticements for informants and whistle-blowers.

For someone that is innocent of wrongdoing, Trump is sure applying maximum pressure.
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I think the damage that this administration has already inflicted on law enforcement, justice, and intelligence will take a generation to repair.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
I agree with you. I think that in a vacuum Rosenstein is doing the wrong thing. He shouldn't cave to a corrupt congress and an evil president. If he doesn't, though, this ****ing moron is bound to destroy the entire country. Better to give the baby a bottle and just hurry along to Mueller's findings and the midterm elections.
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Rosenstein doesn't get to make that call.

If no one broke the law, there's nothing to worry about. Right?
 
NonoBadDog said:
How tight is a virgin? Just a few leaks about the Mueller investigation.

1. Mueller OK’d to probe Manafort-Russia collusion allegations (June 3, 2017)
https://www.apnews.com/c8d36e8b0b5c42a2a1e43bf43c6507d7

2. Sources say Trump-Russia investigators are seeking Paul Manafort's cooperation (July 22, 2017)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...gators-are-seeking-paul-manaforts-cooperation

3. Special Counsel Robert Mueller Impanels Washington Grand Jury in Russia Probe (August 3, 2017)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/specia...hington-grand-jury-in-russia-probe-1501788287

4. FBI conducted predawn raid of former Trump campaign chairman Manafort’s home (August 9, 2017)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.75cc85fde554

5. Special Counsel Examines Possible Role Flynn Played in Seeking Clinton Emails From Hackers (August 25, 2017)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/specia...eeking-clinton-emails-from-hackers-1503694304

6. Mueller Team Asking if Trump Tried to Hide Purpose of Trump Tower Meeting (August 28, 2017)
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-trump-tried-hide-purpose-trump-tower-n796746

7. Mueller Has Early Draft of Trump Letter Giving Reasons for Firing Comey (September 1, 2017)
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/01/us/politics/trump-comey-firing-letter.html

8. Manafort offered to give Russian billionaire ‘private briefings’ on 2016 campaign (September 20, 2017)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...d975285475e_story.html?utm_term=.c89b2d6c448d

9. 'Trump dossier' on Russia links now part of special counsel's probe: sources (October 4, 2017)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-special-counsels-probe-sources-idUSKBN1C92WN

10. First on CNN: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (October 27, 2017)
https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politics/first-charges-mueller-investigation/index.html

11. Mueller Has Enough Evidence to Bring Charges in Flynn Investigation (November 5, 2017)
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ynn-investigation-n817666?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

12. Special Counsel Mueller Issued Subpoena for Russia-Related Documents From Trump Campaign Officials (November 16, 2017)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/specia...ign-officials-1510875492?ns=prod/accounts-wsj

13.Russia probe grand jury looks like ‘a Black Lives Matter rally,’ says witness (January 2, 2018)
https://pagesix.com/2018/01/02/russ...like-a-black-lives-matter-rally-says-witness/

14. Exclusive: A top Trump campaign adviser close to plea deal with Mueller (February 17, 2018)
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/rick-gates-plea-deal-mueller-russia-investigation/index.html

15. Mueller team asks about Trump's Russian business dealings as he weighed a run for president (February 27, 2018)
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/27/politics/trump-russia-investigation/index.html

16. Mueller team asking if Kushner foreign business ties influenced Trump policy (March 2, 2018)
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...oreign-business-ties-influenced-trump-n852681

17. NYT: Mueller's team investigating possible UAE efforts to buy political influence (March 3, 2018)
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/03/politics/robert-mueller-george-nader-uae/index.html

18. Mueller Subpoenas Trump Organization, Demanding Documents About Russia (March 15, 2018)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/us/politics/trump-organization-subpoena-mueller-russia.html

19. FBI raids office of Trump’s longtime lawyer (April 9, 2018)
https://nypost.com/2018/04/09/fbi-raids-office-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer/

She ain't no virgin.
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How do you prove leaks came from Mueller?
No I did not open all the links
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
I agree with you. I think that in a vacuum Rosenstein is doing the wrong thing. He shouldn't cave to a corrupt congress and an evil president. If he doesn't, though, this ****ing moron is bound to destroy the entire country. Better to give the baby a bottle and just hurry along to Mueller's findings and the midterm elections.
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Yep, the IG will tale months, needless to say the attacks will not only continue, they will increase
 
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