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EU energy official assures commitment to Iran nuclear deal

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From United Press International

EU energy official assures commitment to Iran nuclear deal

May 19 (UPI) -- The European Union's energy commissioner said Saturday the EU will stay committed the Iran nuclear deal as long as it complies.


The 2015 deal -- called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action -- was agreed upon by the United States, which recently pulled out of the deal, China, Russia, Germany, France, Britain and the European Union. It lifts Iranian sanctions in exchange for Tehran curbing its nuclear program.


"We have sent a message to our Iranian friends that as long as they are sticking to the agreement the Europeans will...fulfill their commitment," European Energy Commissioner Miguel Arias Canete said Saturday in a Radio Free Europe report.


The European Union was once the largest buyer of Iranian oil.

COMMENT:-
Given that the EU is actually a bigger market than the US, the Iranians have quite an incentive to stick with "The Deal" REGARDLESS of what Mr. Trump does. Not only that, but if the EU decides to ignore American sanctions - or even worse has them ruled illegal - then the US government is going to be in a really dicey position as far as international relations (to say nothing whatsoever about "trade" and/or "compensatory seizures/freezes") are concerned.

Remember, all US government expenditures are paid for in the form of "negotiable debt instruments" and those "negotiable debt instruments" rely on the fact that there is a "financial institution" which not only holds funds sufficient to redeem those "negotiable debt instruments" but can actually release those funds in order to redeem them.

The United States of America is not the only country in the world that has the legal ability to "lock up" funds/assets that belong to another country's nationals/government for decades. Think of it as sort of being like refusing to pay for the carpeting you contracted to have installed in your golf resort's hotel because it "felt funny" - even though it was exactly the same carpet that you had personally selected and approved.​
 
You have backed into understanding the wisdom of Trump making Europe get more involved with Iran. We can't be the nation's police force when there is a whole western continent of police forces close at hand. The Europeans are Iran's neighbors in a sense and have the most to lose.

Since Iran has such a hate-on for America, maybe we should back off a bit.
 
From United Press International

EU energy official assures commitment to Iran nuclear deal

May 19 (UPI) -- The European Union's energy commissioner said Saturday the EU will stay committed the Iran nuclear deal as long as it complies.


The 2015 deal -- called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action -- was agreed upon by the United States, which recently pulled out of the deal, China, Russia, Germany, France, Britain and the European Union. It lifts Iranian sanctions in exchange for Tehran curbing its nuclear program.


"We have sent a message to our Iranian friends that as long as they are sticking to the agreement the Europeans will...fulfill their commitment," European Energy Commissioner Miguel Arias Canete said Saturday in a Radio Free Europe report.


The European Union was once the largest buyer of Iranian oil.

COMMENT:-
Given that the EU is actually a bigger market than the US, the Iranians have quite an incentive to stick with "The Deal" REGARDLESS of what Mr. Trump does. Not only that, but if the EU decides to ignore American sanctions - or even worse has them ruled illegal - then the US government is going to be in a really dicey position as far as international relations (to say nothing whatsoever about "trade" and/or "compensatory seizures/freezes") are concerned.

Remember, all US government expenditures are paid for in the form of "negotiable debt instruments" and those "negotiable debt instruments" rely on the fact that there is a "financial institution" which not only holds funds sufficient to redeem those "negotiable debt instruments" but can actually release those funds in order to redeem them.

The United States of America is not the only country in the world that has the legal ability to "lock up" funds/assets that belong to another country's nationals/government for decades. Think of it as sort of being like refusing to pay for the carpeting you contracted to have installed in your golf resort's hotel because it "felt funny" - even though it was exactly the same carpet that you had personally selected and approved.​

EU companies do about $20 billion with Iran and $600 billion with America. They will decide,not some politician who they prefer to do business with.

One area he is correct. Europe IS big. Why do we need to spend many billions a year on NATO. They have a much bigger economy than Russia afterall.
 
EU companies do about $20 billion with Iran and $600 billion with America. They will decide,not some politician who they prefer to do business with.

One area he is correct. Europe IS big. Why do we need to spend many billions a year on NATO. They have a much bigger economy than Russia afterall.

regardless of size of trade we are fed up with your bullying if it's not about steel and aluminium , it's about nordstream2 and now Iran ... the EU does not dance to your tune if you hit us with sanctions we will hit you back we have had enough and the fact the US pressurised the EU to impose sanctions on Russia can see us soon lift those sanctions, we have more ways to hurt the US economy than you can hurt us, the EU is not Venezuela, or Iran we are a $17 trillion economy, we can hurt the US by ditching all Dollar payments, we have already done it with Iran and we can do it with everyone else and if you continue to push us their is no future for NATO
 
You have backed into understanding the wisdom of Trump making Europe get more involved with Iran. We can't be the nation's police force when there is a whole western continent of police forces close at hand. The Europeans are Iran's neighbors in a sense and have the most to lose.

Since Iran has such a hate-on for America, maybe we should back off a bit.

It renders our violation of the Iran deal worthless. It's also a further illustration of the drift between us and our closes allies, but I guess I'm supposed to file that under "MAGA!!!"
 
regardless of size of trade we are fed up with your bullying if it's not about steel and aluminium , it's about nordstream2 and now Iran ... the EU does not dance to your tune if you hit us with sanctions we will hit you back we have had enough and the fact the US pressurised the EU to impose sanctions on Russia can see us soon lift those sanctions, we have more ways to hurt the US economy than you can hurt us, the EU is not Venezuela, or Iran we are a $17 trillion economy, we can hurt the US by ditching all Dollar payments, we have already done it with Iran and we can do it with everyone else and if you continue to push us their is no future for NATO

Then we agree that America should close all bases and abandon NATO.
 
Then we agree that America should close all bases and abandon NATO.

contrary to the US rhetoric and scaremongering Russia is not a threat to the EU, all Russia wants from Europe is free and open trade, like we had right up til 2014
 
regardless of size of trade we are fed up with your bullying if it's not about steel and aluminium , it's about nordstream2 and now Iran ... the EU does not dance to your tune if you hit us with sanctions we will hit you back we have had enough and the fact the US pressurised the EU to impose sanctions on Russia can see us soon lift those sanctions, we have more ways to hurt the US economy than you can hurt us, the EU is not Venezuela, or Iran we are a $17 trillion economy, we can hurt the US by ditching all Dollar payments, we have already done it with Iran and we can do it with everyone else and if you continue to push us their is no future for NATO

Fine. Don't point the finger at The United States when the Iran deal goes sideways and sure as hell don't come crying to us when Iran grabs you by the balls and won't let go.

Oh, and y'all start paying your fair share of the NATO bills.
 
It renders our violation of the Iran deal worthless. It's also a further illustration of the drift between us and our closes allies, but I guess I'm supposed to file that under "MAGA!!!"

If those countries side with the biggest terrorist supporter in the world, against us, they weren't very good allies, anyway.
 
contrary to the US rhetoric and scaremongering Russia is not a threat to the EU, all Russia wants from Europe is free and open trade, like we had right up til 2014

I agree. NATO is a relic of WWII.
 
contrary to the US rhetoric and scaremongering Russia is not a threat to the EU, all Russia wants from Europe is free and open trade, like we had right up til 2014

Crimea.
 
You have backed into understanding the wisdom of Trump making Europe get more involved with Iran. We can't be the nation's police force when there is a whole western continent of police forces close at hand. The Europeans are Iran's neighbors in a sense and have the most to lose.

Since Iran has such a hate-on for America, maybe we should back off a bit.

You call violating the agreement by restarting sanctions without cause, backing off? And threatening our allies with sanctions if they don't go along "wisdom"? You have no more of an understanding of foreign policy than Trump then. Daring Iran to restart their nuclear program will prove to be Trumps worst mistake yet. And that is saying a lot.
 
contrary to the US rhetoric and scaremongering Russia is not a threat to the EU, all Russia wants from Europe is free and open trade, like we had right up til 2014

Putin has tried to undermine your democracies also. He is most certainly your enemy.
 
Fine. Don't point the finger at The United States when the Iran deal goes sideways and sure as hell don't come crying to us when Iran grabs you by the balls and won't let go.

Oh, and y'all start paying your fair share of the NATO bills.

Iran has been up to now has not broken the treaty only america has .... NATO is not worth saving continue on the path of sanctions and annoying the EU it will only end quicker
 

do you honestly know anything about Crimea .... the majority of Crimeans are Russian, Sevastopol and the naval base was founded by Rear Admiral Thomas McKenzie (a Scots man in service of the tsar) for the Russian Empire
the truth is a soviet dictator of ethnic Ukrainian stock made Crimeans Ukrainians over night with no say .... if your are talking about illegal annexations when is Israel going to return the West Bank to the Palestinians and the Golan Heights back to Syria as the UN does not recognise their annexation

Putin has tried to undermine your democracies also. He is most certainly your enemy.

don't want top say to much but the USA has been interfering in our elections for decades and that seems ok as long as America is doing it .... rank hypocrisy
 
do you honestly know anything about Crimea .... the majority of Crimeans are Russian, Sevastopol and the naval base was founded by Rear Admiral Thomas McKenzie (a Scots man in service of the tsar) for the Russian Empire
the truth is a soviet dictator of ethnic Ukrainian stock made Crimeans Ukrainians over night with no say .... if your are talking about illegal annexations when is Israel going to return the West Bank to the Palestinians and the Golan Heights back to Syria as the UN does not recognise their annexation



don't want top say to much but the USA has been interfering in our elections for decades and that seems ok as long as America is doing it .... rank hypocrisy

Oh, well that's a relief. All Russia wants from Europe is free and open trade...and every country it believes it has a right to invade. I'm happy we cleared that up.
 
You call violating the agreement by restarting sanctions without cause, backing off? And threatening our allies with sanctions if they don't go along "wisdom"? You have no more of an understanding of foreign policy than Trump then. Daring Iran to restart their nuclear program will prove to be Trumps worst mistake yet. And that is saying a lot.

This is going bite us on the ass like nothing we've seen so far.
 
Oh, well that's a relief. All Russia wants from Europe is free and open trade...and every country it believes it has a right to invade. I'm happy we cleared that up.

Well, we might as well hand all of Ukraine over right now.
 
Iran has been up to now has not broken the treaty only america has .... NATO is not worth saving continue on the path of sanctions and annoying the EU it will only end quicker

The United States didn't agree to a treaty with Iran. It's impossible for The United States to have violated a treaty with Iran.
 
The United States didn't agree to a treaty with Iran. It's impossible for The United States to have violated a treaty with Iran.

We are not holding up our end of the bargain and that is violating the treaty. Our allies and Iran are seen as much more trustworthy nations because of it. Going rogue is a dangerous move as it effects all our bargaining not just with Iran. We have alienated our allies for no good reason.
 
do you honestly know anything about Crimea .... the majority of Crimeans are Russian, Sevastopol and the naval base was founded by Rear Admiral Thomas McKenzie (a Scots man in service of the tsar) for the Russian Empire
the truth is a soviet dictator of ethnic Ukrainian stock made Crimeans Ukrainians over night with no say .... if your are talking about illegal annexations when is Israel going to return the West Bank to the Palestinians and the Golan Heights back to Syria as the UN does not recognise their annexation



don't want top say to much but the USA has been interfering in our elections for decades and that seems ok as long as America is doing it .... rank hypocrisy

So you think we are at war with all democracies as Putin has stated? Too funny. I should have known you were a Putin troll.

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2018/02/22/how-putin-meddles-in-western-democracies
 
You have backed into understanding the wisdom of Trump making Europe get more involved with Iran. We can't be the nation's police force when there is a whole western continent of police forces close at hand. The Europeans are Iran's neighbors in a sense and have the most to lose.

Since Iran has such a hate-on for America, maybe we should back off a bit.

If Mr. Trump actually had a plan with respect to Iran, I might almost accept that "Trump Wisdom" was not an oxymoron.
 
EU companies do about $20 billion with Iran and $600 billion with America. They will decide,not some politician who they prefer to do business with.

Strangely enough, most European governments consist primarily of politicians.

One area he is correct. Europe IS big. Why do we need to spend many billions a year on NATO. They have a much bigger economy than Russia afterall.

The United States of America pays around 22% of NATO's approximately €1.325 billion (US$1.56 billion) annual budget. That works out to approximately US$343,200,000 per year. You might note that US$343,200,000 is the same as 0.3432 billion US$ and very few people confuse "less than one" with "many".

Possibly you are confusing the TOTAL US military budget with the combined military budgets of all of the NATO countries.
 
Fine. Don't point the finger at The United States when the Iran deal goes sideways ...

Taking the position that the party that breaches a contract is not responsible for the consequences of breaching the contract is one of the main lessons that you will learn when you memorize "The Art of the Deal".
 
If those countries side with the biggest terrorist supporter in the world, against us, they weren't very good allies, anyway.

You are confusing Iran with Saudi Arabia and/or Pakistan.
 
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