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The FBI Didn’t Use An Informant To Go After Trump. They Used One To Protect Him

Maybe a candidate for most unhinged thread of the year.




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Cardinal said:
What I think is truly remarkable is that I've made this exact challenge multiple times, and literally not one person has been able to name a true statement by trump campaign officials about their connections with Russians. You have the entire internet at your disposal; you have the power to find anything, and yet you can't find one true statement by them about their connections to Russians. Think about how amazing that is.
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I read it on the internet, it must be true. :rofl

No there is nothing amazing about refusing to be a fool.
 
OldFatGuy said:
I read it on the internet, it must be true. :rofl

No there is nothing amazing about refusing to be a fool.
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You read what on the internet? That you're unable to list a single true statement by trump campaign officials about their connections with Russians? You didn't need to read that; you can just observe your own inability to comply with the challenge.
 
Cardinal said:
You read what on the internet? That you're unable to list a single true statement by trump campaign officials about their connections with Russians? You didn't need to read that; you can just observe your own inability to comply with the challenge.
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Are you really that thick? Or do you have another excuse?

Despite your self centered puff, you offer no challenge, just rumors, unsubstantiated opinions, outright lies from others and partisan divisiveness. You don't care about this nation, only your ego.
 
Fenton said:
Here's how

Jeff Sessions taps Utah US Attorney John Huber to lead probe of FBI...

Jeff Sessions Taps Utah US Attorney John Huber To Lead Probe Of FBI | KUER 90.1

As a US Attorney, John Huber has the authority to convene a grand jury, issue subpoena's, collect evidence and order witnesses to testify, and he's not limited to people still employed at the FBI and DOJ

That means James Comey, Andrew McCabe, John Brennan, Sally Yates, James Brennan, etc can be forced to testify under oath in front of a grand jury if needed

When you think about it, their plan ( the insurance policy ) was actually really unsophisticated. You would think senior officials at the DOJ, FBI and the CIA could have come up with something a bit more better than that

Something that was at least believable, or they could have covered their tracks better, or not put themselves in a position where they would be forced to lie in front of Congress or on CNN

I have a theory that explains why they decided on such a ridiculous and ham fisted plan. It can be summed up in one word" ARROGANCE "

They really do believe in their heart of hearts that average Americans are a bunch of imbeciles, and will believe just about anything their told

This is the same administration that tried to blame a coordinated mortar attack on a US diplomatic compound on a spontaneous protest over a obscure Youtube video no one's ever seen

Fortunately for us, their arrogance is going to wind up biting them in the ass, and it couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of folks either, amiright !?
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You do know that Huber is investigating the FBI and the Uranium deal, don't you? So once again it would appear that Brennan and the CIA does not fall within his scope either.
 
Fenton said:
<snip> Here's a list of Obama era senior DOJ and FBI officials who have either been demoted, fired, reassigned or were forced to resign over this scandal.


James Comey, FBI chief

* Peter Strzok, top FBI investigator (reassaigned)
* Lisa Page, top FBI attorney (reassigned)
* Andrew McCabe, Acting FBI Director and Deputy FBI Director
* James Baker, FBI General Counsel
* Stephen Laycock, Head of FBI Counterintelligence
* James Rybicki, FBI Chief of Staff
* Peter Kadzik, DOJ Asst. AG
* Preet Bharara, US Attorney, Southern District
* Bruce Ohr, Former US Associate AG (reassigned)
* Sally Yates, Acting AG
* Dana Boente, Former US AG Eastern Virginia district
* Mary McCord, Acting Assistant AG
* Hui Chen, DOJ Antifraud expert
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I've seen people blatntly lie in posts on here before, but this one simply takes the cake. Do you really think people are stupid and don't read your lies?

Either you are just like the President, and you lie and think everyone is stupid enough to believe it, or you have no idea what is even happening and/or being discussed.

Learn the facts about people you just lied about:

James Comey - fired by Trump because of the Russia investigation (you may want to Google Archibald Cox - I guess because Nixon fired him, that means Watergate was a scandalous investigation)

Stephen Laycock - was PROMOTED in April of 2017

James Rybicki - had already told Christopher Wray that he was leaving the FBI to go into the private sector: "Jim Rybicki notified me last month that he will be leaving the FBI to accept an opportunity in the corporate sector. While this is an exciting move for the whole Rybicki family, Jim will be dearly missed by the FBI family — and by me personally. His many years of dedication to the Bureau and DOJ, his level-headed judgement and earnest professionalism, and his steady good cheer have been an asset to us all and have contributed greatly to the safety and security of our nation." (from Wray when the resignation was announced)

Preet Bhara - was fired by Dana Boente at Trump’s instructions for refusing to resign and order other attorneys to resign, and having nothing to do with the Russia investigation - oh, and Trump didn't know the rules to follow when firing him: https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/11/politics/bharara-not-resigning/index.html

Sally Yates - was fired by Trump in January of 2017 for refusing to uphold the travel ban

Mary McCord - announced her resignaiton in April of 2017 and left in May of 2017 to pursue other opportunities

Hui Chen - resigned in July over issues with “stunning conduct” by Trump

Don't make **** up. It makes every post you every make on this board, and every post you made on this thread, absolutelt unbelievable to anyone with a brain.
 
tres borrachos said:
I've seen people blatntly lie in posts on here before, but this one simply takes the cake. Do you really think people are stupid and don't read your lies?

Either you are just like the President, and you lie and think everyone is stupid enough to believe it, or you have no idea what is even happening and/or being discussed.

Learn the facts about people you just lied about:

James Comey - fired by Trump because of the Russia investigation (you may want to Google Archibald Cox - I guess because Nixon fired him, that means Watergate was a scandalous investigation)

Stephen Laycock - was PROMOTED in April of 2017

James Rybicki - had already told Christopher Wray that he was leaving the FBI to go into the private sector: "Jim Rybicki notified me last month that he will be leaving the FBI to accept an opportunity in the corporate sector. While this is an exciting move for the whole Rybicki family, Jim will be dearly missed by the FBI family — and by me personally. His many years of dedication to the Bureau and DOJ, his level-headed judgement and earnest professionalism, and his steady good cheer have been an asset to us all and have contributed greatly to the safety and security of our nation." (from Wray when the resignation was announced)

Preet Bhara - was fired by Dana Boente at Trump’s instructions for refusing to resign and order other attorneys to resign, and having nothing to do with the Russia investigation - oh, and Trump didn't know the rules to follow when firing him: https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/11/politics/bharara-not-resigning/index.html

Sally Yates - was fired by Trump in January of 2017 for refusing to uphold the travel ban

Mary McCord - announced her resignaiton in April of 2017 and left in May of 2017 to pursue other opportunities

Hui Chen - resigned in July over issues with “stunning conduct” by Trump

Don't make **** up. It makes every post you every make on this board, and every post you made on this thread, absolutelt unbelievable to anyone with a brain.
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Lol....You linked to whats basically the propaganda arm of the Democratic party as source to prove that I'm lying ?

CNN has been a willing participant in the attempt to undermine and remove a duly elected President since day one

As for your list ? Comey was fired after Rod Rosentein released a memo recommending his removal

Comey recently admitted to be given a " assignment " by James Clapper to brief Trump on the most salacious allegations in the dossier

This asignment didn't include informing Trump that the dossier was Hillary funded and unsubstantiated oppo-research

The meeting and the allegations were immediately published by CNN, the fake news media outlet you just linked to

James Rybicki was mentioned in text between Page and Sztrok and circulated Comey's draft letter exonerating Clinton weeks before she was interviewed.

Sally Yates signed off on some of the Page FISA applications
 
code1211 said:
We'll know more when the IG investigation is released.

Right now, we only have dueling biases.

It's interesting that the sides sharing your bias seem to be back tracking in their public statements.

I'm looking forward to an actual report as opposed to the continuous and usually retracted leaked stories.

Whatever happened to the whole colluuuuusion thingy?
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It took 3 years for the Watergate investigation to play out.
 
Fenton said:
The FBI Didn’t Use An Informant To Go After Trump. They Used One To Protect Him

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/05/18/if-the-fbi-used-an-informant-it-wasnt-to-go-after-trump-it-was-to-protect-him/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6ecedaeeb398

" President Trump and his allies are outraged at reports that the FBI used an “informant” to spy on Trump’s 2016 campaign. “Really bad stuff!” the president tweeted early Friday. Supporters of the White House claim the FBI’s reported tactics were illegal. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) has even subpoenaed the Justice Department for information on who the informant might have been; department and FBI officials say public disclosures of this kind could put sources in danger.

But Trump and his backers are wrong about what it means that the FBI reportedly was using a confidential source to gather information early in its investigation of possible campaign ties to Russia. The investigation started out as a counterintelligence probe, not a criminal one. And relying on a covert source rather than a more intrusive method of gathering information suggests that the FBI may have been acting cautiously — perhaps too cautiously — to protect the campaign, not undermine it."


:lamo :lamo :lamo

The media arm of the Democratic party have officially lost their minds. First, after spending the last 18 months denying that Trumps and his campaign were spied on, the NYTs runs a article detailing the extent of that surveillance. Obviously it was a attempt by most likely EX-DOJ / FBI officials to re-write the narrative prior to the release of new and incriminating information. That would most likely be IG Horrowitz report on the FBI / DOJ's handling of the Clinton E-mail investigation

The problem ( for them, not us ) is their attempt to get ahead of the coming storm backfired in epic proportion. Now predictably, they making it even worse...Hilarious ! Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of folks. Someone should tell WaPo and the NYTs that there is no way to spin this in their favor, no way to justify it, explain it away or to soften the blow. This was corruption on a massive scale that occurred at the highest levels of Govt, and media outlets were complicit


With no evidence whatsoever, the Obama DOJ / FBI under the pretense of a counter intelligence probe based off a fake collusion narrative, conducted extensive and covert surveillance on the opposition candidate and his campaign at the height of the 2016 election. It wasn't to protect Trump from Russians, it was part of a plan, a " insurance policy " to undermine and eventually take out a duly elected President and basically render null and void the votes of over 62 million Americans and it was put into effect almost immediately after the election

Trump was still President Elect when James Comey was given his " assignment " by Clapper to inform Trump of the more lurid allegations in the dossier. Comey was just looking out for the President, " protecting " him...:roll: As planned CNN leaked the meeting and the leaks didn't stop there as a complicit media continued to work with leakers in the IC, the CIA and FBI to PUBLISH anything that would legitimize the false collusion narrative. Now, its blowing up in the media's and Democrats faces and WaPo just made it worse with this ridiculous article
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If it looks like caca, smells like caca, and tastes like caca, the case is closed. Should be interesting in the near future.
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Fenton said:
Lol....You linked to whats basically the propaganda arm of the Democratic party as source to prove that I'm lying ?

CNN has been a willing participant in the attempt to undermine and remove a duly elected President since day one

As for your list ? Comey was fired after Rod Rosentein released a memo recommending his removal

Comey recently admitted to be given a " assignment " by James Clapper to brief Trump on the most salacious allegations in the dossier

This asignment didn't include informing Trump that the dossier was Hillary funded and unsubstantiated oppo-research

The meeting and the allegations were immediately published by CNN, the fake news media outlet you just linked to

James Rybicki was mentioned in text between Page and Sztrok and circulated Comey's draft letter exonerating Clinton weeks before she was interviewed.

Sally Yates signed off on some of the Page FISA applications
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I linked to one site so you could read and learn about one of the people on your lying list. One. No links for the others, because I actually believe posters are smarter than that. They also know you lied.

You have not countered a single thing I posted. You lied.

I know why Comey was fired. I didn't say otherwise.

The other people were not fired, reassigned or forced to resign over this "scandal". Unless the "scandal" is the Trump travel ban? Trump wanting to fire US attorneys? Trump's attacks on the intelligence community? Because if you're saying those things were all scandals, then you'd be right. But this "scandal" that occupies your brain is the FBI investigation of Trump. You lied, and I pointed it out for everyone to see. Next time know your facts so you don't look like Trump does, and nobody takes you seriously because you lie too much.
 
danarhea said:
It took 3 years for the Watergate investigation to play out.
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I've heard this mentioned several times and I ask myself why it took so long. In today's modern age of electronics is it reasonable to expect following a paper trail not take as long or was there another reason that it took them 3 years to investigate? Also did firing people as Nixon did and Trump has not also extend the length of time it took?

What are the reasons that would justify this investigation lasting 3 or more years?

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tres borrachos said:
James Comey - fired by Trump because of the Russia investigation
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That is not what President Trump said.


tres borrachos said:
I know why Comey was fired.
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Clearly not, because President Trump did not say he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation.


What he did do is lay out the things having to do with Comey's competence. He is a showboat, he is a grand stander and the FBI being in virtual turmoil [because of him].
President Trump made it clear that he did not have any confidence in him.
Comey's competence is the underlying issue for his firing.

I doubt you would want someone you have no confidence in investigating such a serious matter, yet you can't see that is the issue here even though that is clearly what the President said.


Maybe you should have reviewed the relevant portions of the interview.

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Partial transcript: NBC News interview with Donald Trump | CNN Link​
 
ashurbanipal said:
I have my own views on the matter that don't comport so well with any other "you all"--the most important feature of that view being that right now, a great many people in the general public know very much less than they like to pretend, on all sides of the issue (though that was to some extent remedied with the Senate committee's release of transcripts). In any event, I'm not sure I get the motive for the question. Suppose you are a counter-intel guy and you find someone you're pretty sure is a spy. Would you arrest her right away, or would you wait to see who she's talking to, where she goes, who she talks about, etc. etc.? It seems to have become conventional wisdom that the latter is the preferred course of action, so long as what she's doing isn't about to blow up Chicago or release weaponized smallpox all over the place or some such. You refrain from immediate action because otherwise there are too many questions. Grab her, and all her compatriots run and hide. Grab her openly, and you lose any chance to turn her into a double agent. Etc.

You make it sound as if everything is so very simple, and if there was a conspiracy among Trump campaign staff, such would not at all be the case.

One speculation that has run throughout this investigation is that Mueller has a reason to suspect something, but cannot yet prove it without flipping one or more chief witnesses. Manafort is apparently le plus legume. Once his lawyers start to realize that their preliminary posturings aren't going to get the charges against him dismissed or reduced, he may start to offer to cooperate. No one knows whether this is true, but the possibility (and it is one of several) answers your question sufficiently: there are complications in the form of manifold possibilities that Mueller has to work through just like anyone would.
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Manafort could be in a very uncomfortable position. If he talks, is there a possibility he would be killed?? I've heard that rumor. No idea if true.
 
jghiretire said:
Manafort could be in a very uncomfortable position. If he talks, is there a possibility he would be killed?? I've heard that rumor. No idea if true.
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Considering that quite a few Russian business men linked to Putin and working in the US...suddenly dieing, then nothing is impossible. Also we are talking about the Russian and Ukrainian mob, who kill people for fun.

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Excon said:
That is not what President Trump said.


Clearly not, because President Trump did not say he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation.


What he did do is lay out the things having to do with Comey's competence. He is a showboat, he is a grand stander and the FBI being in virtual turmoil [because of him].
President Trump made it clear that he did not have any confidence in him.
Comey's competence is the underlying issue for his firing.

I doubt you would want someone you have no confidence in investigating such a serious matter, yet you can't see that is the issue here even though that is clearly what the President said.


Maybe you should have reviewed the relevant portions of the interview.

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Partial transcript: NBC News interview with Donald Trump | CNN Link​
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Donald Trump to Lester Holt, May 11, 2017.

"“When I decided to just do it I said to myself, I said, ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story.’”

Thanks for the reminder that Trump fired Comey because of the Russia investigation.
 
tres borrachos said:
Donald Trump to Lester Holt, May 11, 2017.

"“When I decided to just do it I said to myself, I said, ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story.’”

Thanks for the reminder that Trump fired Comey because of the Russia investigation.
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Thanks again for showing you made up something to believe.

That quote does not say he fired Comey for the Russia thing. In context of everything else said, specifically of Comey having no competence, that is a showing that he has no confidence in Comey to investigate that specific issue.
 
Excon said:
Thanks again for showing you made up something to believe.

That quote does not say he fired Comey for the Russia thing. In context of everything else said, specifically of Comey having no competence, that is a showing that he has no confidence in Comey to investigate that specific issue.
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No, seriously. Thanks for the reminder that Trump fired Comey because of the Russia investigation. It's always good to see and hear him admit to this.
 
Excon said:
That is not what President Trump said.


Clearly not, because President Trump did not say he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation.


What he did do is lay out the things having to do with Comey's competence. He is a showboat, he is a grand stander and the FBI being in virtual turmoil [because of him].
President Trump made it clear that he did not have any confidence in him.
Comey's competence is the underlying issue for his firing.

I doubt you would want someone you have no confidence in investigating such a serious matter, yet you can't see that is the issue here even though that is clearly what the President said.


Maybe you should have reviewed the relevant portions of the interview.

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Partial transcript: NBC News interview with Donald Trump | CNN Link​
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And Trump would never tell an untruth! Trump didn't say he fired Comey to stop the investigation and we all know He is truthful!
 
rocket88 said:
Trump didn't say he fired Comey to stop the investigation ...
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That is correct, so maybe those with TDS should stop saying he said such when clearly he did not.
 
tres borrachos said:
No, seriously. Thanks for the reminder that Trump fired Comey because of the Russia investigation. It's always good to see and hear him admit to this.
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You can continue to lie or accept reality.
I am sure you will continue along with the former instead of the later.
 
Cardinal said:
For the record, the trump campaign was up to its balls in Russian agents and trump supporters are angry that the fbi took an interest in that fact. Oh, and the fbi was undermining the trump campaign...by not going public with their counterintelligence investigation. Okey dokey.
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Cool story, bro.
 
tres borrachos said:
No, seriously. Thanks for the reminder that Trump fired Comey because of the Russia investigation. It's always good to see and hear him admit to this.
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The Trump faithful have a way of hearing him say things they want to hear.
 
rocket88 said:
So you trust Him? He never lies?
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There is absolutely no reason not to believe what I pointed out he actually said.


rocket88 said:
The Trump faithful have a way of hearing him say things they want to hear.
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Hilarious. Those with TDS have a way of hearing what was not said.
 
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